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No idea of the sums of money actually being paid, but if you’re playing a game that can end up with you in jail for 10-20 years, I’m going to assume that the rewards are in line with the risk involved. Which would surely be life changing sums of money – certainly you’d imagine it to be sums of money far beyond what most people will ever earn.
A lot of assumptions there on my part, I admit.
Yes, he wasn’t the top guy, but he wasn’t just the delivery boy either; he was a major player – if the press reports are anything to go by.
All I can say is that if he’s taken on that level of risk for comparative buttons, then…
A lot of assumptions there on my part, I admit.
Yes, he wasn’t the top guy, but he wasn’t just the delivery boy either; he was a major player – if the press reports are anything to go by.
All I can say is that if he’s taken on that level of risk for comparative buttons, then…
Edited by TheJimi on Thursday 26th October 14:14
TheJimi said:
No idea of the sums of money actually being paid, but if you’re playing a game that can end up with you in jail for 10-20 years, I’m going to assume that the rewards are in line with the risk involved. Which would surely be life changing sums of money – certainly you’d imagine it to be sums of money far beyond what most people will ever earn.
A lot of assumptions there on my part, I admit.
Yes, he wasn’t the top guy, but he wasn’t just the delivery boy either; he was a major player – if the press reports are anything to go by.
All I can say is that if he’s taken on that level of risk for comparative buttons, then…
Honestly with a lot of crime you think that its all mega money but when you break down the hours involved, the time spent and the money earned a lot of the time you would just be better off working hard at a legit job. A lot of assumptions there on my part, I admit.
Yes, he wasn’t the top guy, but he wasn’t just the delivery boy either; he was a major player – if the press reports are anything to go by.
All I can say is that if he’s taken on that level of risk for comparative buttons, then…
Edited by TheJimi on Thursday 26th October 14:14
It is not all its cracked up to be at any level.
TheJimi said:
No idea of the sums of money actually being paid, but if you’re playing a game that can end up with you in jail for 10-20 years, I’m going to assume that the rewards are in line with the risk involved. Which would surely be life changing sums of money – certainly you’d imagine it to be sums of money far beyond what most people will ever earn.
A lot of assumptions there on my part, I admit.
Yes, he wasn’t the top guy, but he wasn’t just the delivery boy either; he was a major player – if the press reports are anything to go by.
All I can say is that if he’s taken on that level of risk for comparative buttons, then…
This is the reason why I asked the question, are the police figures an over exaggeration or did the gang actually turnover 400 to 500k? If they did turnover that kind of money then the profit would have been a substantial sum and the question is where has all that money gone?A lot of assumptions there on my part, I admit.
Yes, he wasn’t the top guy, but he wasn’t just the delivery boy either; he was a major player – if the press reports are anything to go by.
All I can say is that if he’s taken on that level of risk for comparative buttons, then…
Edited by TheJimi on Thursday 26th October 14:14
JimmyConwayNW said:
TheJimi said:
No idea of the sums of money actually being paid, but if you’re playing a game that can end up with you in jail for 10-20 years, I’m going to assume that the rewards are in line with the risk involved. Which would surely be life changing sums of money – certainly you’d imagine it to be sums of money far beyond what most people will ever earn.
A lot of assumptions there on my part, I admit.
Yes, he wasn’t the top guy, but he wasn’t just the delivery boy either; he was a major player – if the press reports are anything to go by.
All I can say is that if he’s taken on that level of risk for comparative buttons, then…
Honestly with a lot of crime you think that its all mega money but when you break down the hours involved, the time spent and the money earned a lot of the time you would just be better off working hard at a legit job. A lot of assumptions there on my part, I admit.
Yes, he wasn’t the top guy, but he wasn’t just the delivery boy either; he was a major player – if the press reports are anything to go by.
All I can say is that if he’s taken on that level of risk for comparative buttons, then…
Edited by TheJimi on Thursday 26th October 14:14
It is not all its cracked up to be at any level.
TVR Moneypit said:
I was feeling inclined not to make any further posts on this thread, mainly because I felt that it had run its course and the interest in my exploits had ground to a halt. I certainly wasn’t going to post any details of a financial nature, mainly because even though I might be dumb, I’m not completely retarded. Any further questions or assumptions regarding my financial situation, past, present or future will likely go ignored. However I am happy to answer pretty much all other questions.
However....... There are a couple of points that I do feel require addressing.
If, as the Prosecution alleged, I did allegedly have a x.xx% share of the business, then it also stands to reason that I allegedly had a x.xx% liability of all operating costs, all write-downs and all losses. The prosecution alleged that as well as the product that I was caught red handed with, there was allegedly a further significant shipment seized off the coast of Ireland and one seized in Mexico City, both allegedly on their way to us. Allegedly.
If, as the Prosecution alleged, we were allegedly working with allegedly one of main Mexican cartels, you have to have a severe lack of imagination to foresee the outcome of not settling your accounts, regardless of whether or not shipments have been seized, and regardless of whether or not you have the luxury of your liberty.
As a caveat, (not sure if I spelt that correctly), all of the above posts should not be misconstrued as any form of confession on my part. They may just be the incoherent ramblings of a halfwit.
TVRMP thanks for being so honest and open as you possibly can be in your situation. Still a fascinating read and I for one am looking forward to more from you. No stupid unanswerable questions from me, just an unhealthy interest in all that has happened since that fateful meeting with plod.However....... There are a couple of points that I do feel require addressing.
If, as the Prosecution alleged, I did allegedly have a x.xx% share of the business, then it also stands to reason that I allegedly had a x.xx% liability of all operating costs, all write-downs and all losses. The prosecution alleged that as well as the product that I was caught red handed with, there was allegedly a further significant shipment seized off the coast of Ireland and one seized in Mexico City, both allegedly on their way to us. Allegedly.
If, as the Prosecution alleged, we were allegedly working with allegedly one of main Mexican cartels, you have to have a severe lack of imagination to foresee the outcome of not settling your accounts, regardless of whether or not shipments have been seized, and regardless of whether or not you have the luxury of your liberty.
As a caveat, (not sure if I spelt that correctly), all of the above posts should not be misconstrued as any form of confession on my part. They may just be the incoherent ramblings of a halfwit.
TVRM, thanks for sharing what you’ve given so far, fascinating insight into a world I have zero knowledge of. I do hope you continue to post, and whilst the details of your case and activities leading up to it I’m sure would be interesting, I can understand there is limited amounts you can and are prepared to share. On that basis, are you able to share any more stories on aspects of life in prison, or ‘interesting’ stories from your time inside? as the popular opinion portrayed by the media is I imagine far from reality.
Bobberoo99 said:
Amazing reading all you've written so far TVRM, like others I would be grateful if you were to carry on with your posts. If you can spare the time and it's not too painful for you, I think we're all fascinated by what you went through!!
To be brutally honest, I hope it was the worst time of his life. I don't understand all the fawning over this guy. It's reminiscent of the Flemke thread, only that guy has something to be proud of. A prison history should not be something to be proud of.
Just my 2p.
OpulentBob said:
To be brutally honest, I hope it was the worst time of his life. I don't understand all the fawning over this guy. It's reminiscent of the Flemke thread, only that guy has something to be proud of.
A prison history should not be something to be proud of.
Just my 2p.
WtfA prison history should not be something to be proud of.
Just my 2p.
No one said he is proud / should be proud
OpulentBob said:
To be brutally honest, I hope it was the worst time of his life. I don't understand all the fawning over this guy. It's reminiscent of the Flemke thread, only that guy has something to be proud of.
A prison history should not be something to be proud of.
Just my 2p.
It's not difficult to understand that many people are fascinated by the daily life of being in prison as well as the details that lead to them being put in there. A prison history should not be something to be proud of.
Just my 2p.
I've not seen a single person 'fawning' over him, simply people wanting to know a few more details having been given a sniff of the guys history. Equally not difficult to understand when he was a PH'er before he was banged up who a lot of people on here remember!
OpulentBob said:
Bobberoo99 said:
Amazing reading all you've written so far TVRM, like others I would be grateful if you were to carry on with your posts. If you can spare the time and it's not too painful for you, I think we're all fascinated by what you went through!!
To be brutally honest, I hope it was the worst time of his life. I don't understand all the fawning over this guy. It's reminiscent of the Flemke thread, only that guy has something to be proud of. A prison history should not be something to be proud of.
Just my 2p.
Who said his prison / criminal history is something to be proud of?
Chebble said:
johnwilliams77 said:
Wtf
No one said he is proud / should be proud
I don’t think anyone has, and yet, people keep commenting on this thread to tell us that it’s nothing to be proud of. Why? I don’t know. Maybe to reaffirm that they are whiter than white? No one said he is proud / should be proud
The OP combines the rare traits of being relatively normal (whatever that means), literate and having spend a considerable time in an environment full of people most PHers only know from Crimewatch/local rag crime reports.
Of course it's fascinating.
Wouldn't confuse interest with fawning from what I've seen on here.
Of course it's fascinating.
Wouldn't confuse interest with fawning from what I've seen on here.
Hi TVR
Very interesting reading, although the prison thing is nothing new to read about, especially when compared to the likes of treatment people receive when busted in parts of south east Asia or the Americas but I just can't get my head around why you made that fateful deal?
You said yourself there were several warning signs and that you were usually very aware of the details in your surroundings on a daily basis (which in itself sounds like a living hell to me). So why be so stupid and not walk away? Surely that's a VERY important part of the role of a distributor?
Also, the meeting place. Is the side of a busy road really a natural place to pick up a fridge from someone else?
And an 8ft hedge on the other side of the car? Aren't you supposed to account for escape routes etc?
Genuinely interested in the thought process behind it.
Very interesting reading, although the prison thing is nothing new to read about, especially when compared to the likes of treatment people receive when busted in parts of south east Asia or the Americas but I just can't get my head around why you made that fateful deal?
You said yourself there were several warning signs and that you were usually very aware of the details in your surroundings on a daily basis (which in itself sounds like a living hell to me). So why be so stupid and not walk away? Surely that's a VERY important part of the role of a distributor?
Also, the meeting place. Is the side of a busy road really a natural place to pick up a fridge from someone else?
And an 8ft hedge on the other side of the car? Aren't you supposed to account for escape routes etc?
Genuinely interested in the thought process behind it.
DoubleTime said:
Hi TVR
Very interesting reading, although the prison thing is nothing new to read about, especially when compared to the likes of treatment people receive when busted in parts of south east Asia or the Americas but I just can't get my head around why you made that fateful deal?
You said yourself there were several warning signs and that you were usually very aware of the details in your surroundings on a daily basis (which in itself sounds like a living hell to me). So why be so stupid and not walk away? Surely that's a VERY important part of the role of a distributor?
Also, the meeting place. Is the side of a busy road really a natural place to pick up a fridge from someone else?
And an 8ft hedge on the other side of the car? Aren't you supposed to account for escape routes etc?
Genuinely interested in the thought process behind it.
Yeah, agreed, tell us about this. Very interesting reading, although the prison thing is nothing new to read about, especially when compared to the likes of treatment people receive when busted in parts of south east Asia or the Americas but I just can't get my head around why you made that fateful deal?
You said yourself there were several warning signs and that you were usually very aware of the details in your surroundings on a daily basis (which in itself sounds like a living hell to me). So why be so stupid and not walk away? Surely that's a VERY important part of the role of a distributor?
Also, the meeting place. Is the side of a busy road really a natural place to pick up a fridge from someone else?
And an 8ft hedge on the other side of the car? Aren't you supposed to account for escape routes etc?
Genuinely interested in the thought process behind it.
Did it start off ultra vigilant but then complacency set in over time?
Or was there always a general view that you were operating under the radar and getting caught was a massive shock?
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