Discussion
King Herald said:
monthefish said:
Hence my comment "very nearly stationary".
How many milliseconds does a vehicle travel at 'very nearly stationary' before it actually stops? Read the full story, and you'll see the details.
I guess that whenever a biker has been smashed by a car pulling out of a side road you argue that it is the bikers fault because he should have been going slow enough to stop if anything appeared in his path?
Read my posts again and you'll see I'm not trying to put any 'blame' on the biker.
monthefish said:
I get the impression you are looking for an argument, and I'm sorry, but I'm not going to indulge you. This is too important a thread for petty squabbles. PM me if you feel really must continue this.
Read my posts again and you'll see I'm not trying to put any 'blame' on the biker.
I guess it is just the defensive biker element in me reading between the lines. Read my posts again and you'll see I'm not trying to put any 'blame' on the biker.
King Herald said:
monthefish said:
I get the impression you are looking for an argument, and I'm sorry, but I'm not going to indulge you. This is too important a thread for petty squabbles. PM me if you feel really must continue this.
Read my posts again and you'll see I'm not trying to put any 'blame' on the biker.
I guess it is just the defensive biker element in me reading between the lines. Read my posts again and you'll see I'm not trying to put any 'blame' on the biker.
Anyway, 10PS has been very decent and honest about the whole thing, and my only conclusion is it is a sh!tty situation for all concerned, but also a situation where some good can definitely come from it (if not already) in terms of making people (myself included) think about the potential consequences of our driving.
Anyway, back to the diaries...
probably way too late for anyone to read this, but...
I love driving fast.and I am a good, fast driver. But.. I am constantly being goaded, cajoled and enticed to get a bit of oppo round the bends by every journo from autocar to - god bless em - PH.
Truth is, if you are on opposite lock you are pushing your luck on public roads. Even good old Ayrton oppoed too far sometimes.
Is it time for journalists to stop pusshing opposite lock and promote good, fast driving?
I love driving fast.and I am a good, fast driver. But.. I am constantly being goaded, cajoled and enticed to get a bit of oppo round the bends by every journo from autocar to - god bless em - PH.
Truth is, if you are on opposite lock you are pushing your luck on public roads. Even good old Ayrton oppoed too far sometimes.
Is it time for journalists to stop pusshing opposite lock and promote good, fast driving?
Ex Boy Racer said:
probably way too late for anyone to read this, but...
I love driving fast.and I am a good, fast driver. But.. I am constantly being goaded, cajoled and enticed to get a bit of oppo round the bends by every journo from autocar to - god bless em - PH.
Truth is, if you are on opposite lock you are pushing your luck on public roads. Even good old Ayrton oppoed too far sometimes.
Is it time for journalists to stop pusshing opposite lock and promote good, fast driving?
i know 10ps.. better than you trust me.. and i'm not entirely sure this helps the sentiment that he's trying to convey.. I love driving fast.and I am a good, fast driver. But.. I am constantly being goaded, cajoled and enticed to get a bit of oppo round the bends by every journo from autocar to - god bless em - PH.
Truth is, if you are on opposite lock you are pushing your luck on public roads. Even good old Ayrton oppoed too far sometimes.
Is it time for journalists to stop pusshing opposite lock and promote good, fast driving?
Ex Boy Racer said:
probably way too late for anyone to read this, but...
.......
Is it time for journalists to stop pusshing opposite lock and promote good, fast driving?
It is probably time for journalists to remind people that public roads are a transport system, not a f.......
Is it time for journalists to stop pusshing opposite lock and promote good, fast driving?
kin' race track!!! If you want to race, go to a track day somewhere, somewhere that you can't kill anybody.
I've been following this thread with interest. I know a handful of people, who have been unlucky enough to have brought about nasty accidents, due to over doing a spirited drive. Only once have I heard of someone having the book, and the book case from which it came, thrown at them. This particular person was found to have been boasting, on one or two forums, about how he was "going to give the s round here a driving lesson" etc. etc. yada yada yada. This pre meditation was seen as a majorly aggravating factor at his trial. The sentence was therefore much harsher than he could have expected, had it not been for the aggravating factor. I don't recall seeing any reference to any such aggravating factors in this case, but the punishment seems to have been at the extreme end of the scale.
s round here a driving lesson" etc. etc. yada yada yada. This pre meditation was seen as a majorly aggravating factor at his trial. The sentence was therefore much harsher than he could have expected, had it not been for the aggravating factor. I don't recall seeing any reference to any such aggravating factors in this case, but the punishment seems to have been at the extreme end of the scale. harry010 said:
Ex Boy Racer said:
probably way too late for anyone to read this, but...
I love driving fast.and I am a good, fast driver. But.. I am constantly being goaded, cajoled and enticed to get a bit of oppo round the bends by every journo from autocar to - god bless em - PH.
Truth is, if you are on opposite lock you are pushing your luck on public roads. Even good old Ayrton oppoed too far sometimes.
Is it time for journalists to stop pusshing opposite lock and promote good, fast driving?
i know 10ps.. better than you trust me.. and i'm not entirely sure this helps the sentiment that he's trying to convey.. I love driving fast.and I am a good, fast driver. But.. I am constantly being goaded, cajoled and enticed to get a bit of oppo round the bends by every journo from autocar to - god bless em - PH.
Truth is, if you are on opposite lock you are pushing your luck on public roads. Even good old Ayrton oppoed too far sometimes.
Is it time for journalists to stop pusshing opposite lock and promote good, fast driving?
Yep, more here http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
I recently visited a prison to see a mate who is doing a short stint for cultivation..
I only spent a few hours there, yet i feel i can write a prison diary about just one visit
Upon arrival, I parked up and booked myself in at the prisoner visitor centre. I was asked for my visiting order and ID, so I put them on the counter. They were checked over and given back to me.
Prison person: "This is all you can take with you into the Prison. This, and £10 in change for the vending machines.
Anything else you have on you has to go in a locker...or if you have a car here you can just go and empty your pockets into your car instead."
After leaving everything in my car i go back into the visitors centre and and ask if i am allowed to still have my car key..
No, but you can put it in a locker...
So i get a locker for my car key, and take the locker key into the prison.
There were about sixty visitors and We were called over from the visitor centre in groups of about 15.
I was in the second group. We had to stand around in a very small reception area waiting for a glass door to open.
we all filed through this glass door and found ourselves quite tightly crammed in a glass holding area.
After a few minutes a glass door on a different wall opened and we all shuffled
into a cage which was even smaller.. and the glass door closed behind us.
So, there are now 15 of us, in a tiny room made of steel bars waiting to be let into the next zone, which is the search area with sniffer dogs and metal detectors and frisking. I dutifully produced my Visiting order, my ID and my Locker key before being frisked.
Prison Person: "I can tell you haven't been here before, you can't bring an ID card in here!"
Me: " Oh, i obviously misunderstood, sorry."
Prison person: "You will have to take it back to the visitor centre, and there is no easy way"
I then had to go back through the different rooms and cages while the next group was coming the other way, it was very awkward...
So..I finally get back to the visitor centre and drop of my ID in my locker and go back to the prison and go back through the rooms and cages, this time on my own. I get to the search area again and they laugh about how it happens all the time and they search me again and i go through to the next room where the guys with the sniffer dogs are now long gone... round a few more corners and I am now finally in the visiting room, but confronted by another set of prison people at another reception desk.
Prison person: "Please put your right hand in here (gestures at UV Light box the counter)."
Prison person: " where is your stamp?"
me: "Stamp?"
Prison person: "Yes, they should have stamped your hand back at the visitors centre, You are going to have to go back and get a stamp".
Over an hour of my two hour visiting slot was spent trying to get in! I thought it was supposed to be hard to get out...
I only spent a few hours there, yet i feel i can write a prison diary about just one visit
Upon arrival, I parked up and booked myself in at the prisoner visitor centre. I was asked for my visiting order and ID, so I put them on the counter. They were checked over and given back to me.
Prison person: "This is all you can take with you into the Prison. This, and £10 in change for the vending machines.
Anything else you have on you has to go in a locker...or if you have a car here you can just go and empty your pockets into your car instead."
After leaving everything in my car i go back into the visitors centre and and ask if i am allowed to still have my car key..
No, but you can put it in a locker...
So i get a locker for my car key, and take the locker key into the prison.
There were about sixty visitors and We were called over from the visitor centre in groups of about 15.
I was in the second group. We had to stand around in a very small reception area waiting for a glass door to open.
we all filed through this glass door and found ourselves quite tightly crammed in a glass holding area.
After a few minutes a glass door on a different wall opened and we all shuffled
into a cage which was even smaller.. and the glass door closed behind us.
So, there are now 15 of us, in a tiny room made of steel bars waiting to be let into the next zone, which is the search area with sniffer dogs and metal detectors and frisking. I dutifully produced my Visiting order, my ID and my Locker key before being frisked.
Prison Person: "I can tell you haven't been here before, you can't bring an ID card in here!"
Me: " Oh, i obviously misunderstood, sorry."
Prison person: "You will have to take it back to the visitor centre, and there is no easy way"
I then had to go back through the different rooms and cages while the next group was coming the other way, it was very awkward...
So..I finally get back to the visitor centre and drop of my ID in my locker and go back to the prison and go back through the rooms and cages, this time on my own. I get to the search area again and they laugh about how it happens all the time and they search me again and i go through to the next room where the guys with the sniffer dogs are now long gone... round a few more corners and I am now finally in the visiting room, but confronted by another set of prison people at another reception desk.
Prison person: "Please put your right hand in here (gestures at UV Light box the counter)."
Prison person: " where is your stamp?"
me: "Stamp?"
Prison person: "Yes, they should have stamped your hand back at the visitors centre, You are going to have to go back and get a stamp".
Over an hour of my two hour visiting slot was spent trying to get in! I thought it was supposed to be hard to get out...
Edited by Shuvi Tupya on Saturday 28th May 02:15
I read this a while back -- still a brilliant read second time around.
Most of us are guilty of driving a bit too spiritedly at times -- I know I am. It never becomes clear to us though until something like what happened to 10PS does indeed happen. I've been lucky so far to not have been in an accident or lost control of my car on a public road.
10PS -- I really hope the things you're doing to spread your message to people really help you put this behind you - as much as that's possible. To me it's clear that you're a good person, someone who can contribute constructively to society who's unfortunately made a mistake at that one time when it comes back to bite you hard. I guess your only choice is to give back as much as you can until you find some sort of peace. I really do not want to imagine what its been like to be in your position. Thank you for sharing this with all of us -- it's much appreciated.
Keep your head up, and keep going
Most of us are guilty of driving a bit too spiritedly at times -- I know I am. It never becomes clear to us though until something like what happened to 10PS does indeed happen. I've been lucky so far to not have been in an accident or lost control of my car on a public road.
10PS -- I really hope the things you're doing to spread your message to people really help you put this behind you - as much as that's possible. To me it's clear that you're a good person, someone who can contribute constructively to society who's unfortunately made a mistake at that one time when it comes back to bite you hard. I guess your only choice is to give back as much as you can until you find some sort of peace. I really do not want to imagine what its been like to be in your position. Thank you for sharing this with all of us -- it's much appreciated.
Keep your head up, and keep going
dvance said:
I read this a while back -- still a brilliant read second time around.
Most of us are guilty of driving a bit too spiritedly at times -- I know I am. It never becomes clear to us though until something like what happened to 10PS does indeed happen. I've been lucky so far to not have been in an accident or lost control of my car on a public road.
10PS -- I really hope the things you're doing to spread your message to people really help you put this behind you - as much as that's possible. To me it's clear that you're a good person, someone who can contribute constructively to society who's unfortunately made a mistake at that one time when it comes back to bite you hard. I guess your only choice is to give back as much as you can until you find some sort of peace. I really do not want to imagine what its been like to be in your position. Thank you for sharing this with all of us -- it's much appreciated.
Keep your head up, and keep going
Was linked to this thread this afternoon, have spent the last few hours reading it. Agree wholeheartedly with what dvance and others have said. Seeing this from both sides as an existing petrolhead who likes a Sunday spin with friends, but also as a v recent new biker, it's given me a lot of food for thought. Have linked to it on my FB as I think it's a message that should be shared.Most of us are guilty of driving a bit too spiritedly at times -- I know I am. It never becomes clear to us though until something like what happened to 10PS does indeed happen. I've been lucky so far to not have been in an accident or lost control of my car on a public road.
10PS -- I really hope the things you're doing to spread your message to people really help you put this behind you - as much as that's possible. To me it's clear that you're a good person, someone who can contribute constructively to society who's unfortunately made a mistake at that one time when it comes back to bite you hard. I guess your only choice is to give back as much as you can until you find some sort of peace. I really do not want to imagine what its been like to be in your position. Thank you for sharing this with all of us -- it's much appreciated.
Keep your head up, and keep going
10PS has shown by his actions to educate others subsequent to the incident (i.e. us, whoever we tell and any talks/interviews etc) that there can be a silver lining even in horrific circumstances. I hope the biker involved continues his recovery, and has received his insurance payout. In the compensation culture farce that is modern times, here is someone genuine for whom the whole system was created to support. And if he's read or reading this, I hope that at least a small part of him takes some small solace in the fact that an awful lot of people having read about his misfortune and these events, are re-evaluating their behaviour on the road in the future and hopefully saving injuries and maybe even lives in the process. I would go so far as to say that in a sense, he has made a(n unfortunate, unwanted and terrible) sacrifice which will in the future help others.
i've been going through this today, like a lot of people before me i guess. what a fantastic read. not that it needs anymore hitting home but as a fellow cumbrian it's rather poignant reading about familiar roads/places/situations.
did the rest of the diary ever get published? after the move to the open prison?
did the rest of the diary ever get published? after the move to the open prison?
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