If the UK went to war tomorrow
Discussion
phumy said:
So, to all you "Nay Sayers", how do you feel about all the young lads and lasses out in Afghanistan at this moment, fighting the "enemy" and all the poor souls getting killed in the process?
Do you think they are doing it because they love it, (maybe they do), do they really want to be away from their loved ones and get shot at, and please dont come back with that old, "Oh but they knew what they were doing, it was their choice to join up", yes of course it was their choice. And their choice was to get up and do something about the growing threat of terrorism, or maybe they just wanted something a little more exciting in life, instead of sat on their backsides moaning about the weather, or how much it will cost to change the water pump at the main dealer.
I think it's sad that they are been killed over in Afghanistan etc, however that was their choice. I mean come on, when you sign up to the army do you really think you're going to spend your life in the UK playing soldier in the Black Mountains with fake bullets? Do you think they are doing it because they love it, (maybe they do), do they really want to be away from their loved ones and get shot at, and please dont come back with that old, "Oh but they knew what they were doing, it was their choice to join up", yes of course it was their choice. And their choice was to get up and do something about the growing threat of terrorism, or maybe they just wanted something a little more exciting in life, instead of sat on their backsides moaning about the weather, or how much it will cost to change the water pump at the main dealer.
Monki said:
phumy said:
So, to all you "Nay Sayers", how do you feel about all the young lads and lasses out in Afghanistan at this moment, fighting the "enemy" and all the poor souls getting killed in the process?
Do you think they are doing it because they love it, (maybe they do), do they really want to be away from their loved ones and get shot at, and please dont come back with that old, "Oh but they knew what they were doing, it was their choice to join up", yes of course it was their choice. And their choice was to get up and do something about the growing threat of terrorism, or maybe they just wanted something a little more exciting in life, instead of sat on their backsides moaning about the weather, or how much it will cost to change the water pump at the main dealer.
I think it's sad that they are been killed over in Afghanistan etc, however that was their choice. I mean come on, when you sign up to the army do you really think you're going to spend your life in the UK playing soldier in the Black Mountains with fake bullets? Do you think they are doing it because they love it, (maybe they do), do they really want to be away from their loved ones and get shot at, and please dont come back with that old, "Oh but they knew what they were doing, it was their choice to join up", yes of course it was their choice. And their choice was to get up and do something about the growing threat of terrorism, or maybe they just wanted something a little more exciting in life, instead of sat on their backsides moaning about the weather, or how much it will cost to change the water pump at the main dealer.
The war in Afghanistan is the most intensive fighting the British Army has faced since Korea so it has to be said that this current generation of British soldiers are having to face the toughest fighting since their grandfathers did.
I think rolling eyes is rather disingenuous to the what these guys are going through.
Menguin said:
Saddle bum said:
If "they" don't want me to own a gun in peacetime, don't let them try and give me one when a war starts.
?? "They" don't want you gunning down people in peacetime, but they would want you to do that in a war. What is your point exactly?Owning a firearm is not axiomatic with "gunning down people".
Most governments are jumping through hoops in order to deprive the people of their legally held firearms, it means they do not have to fear the people and can do as they please, completely ignoring the inconveniences of living in a democratic society.
At the same time they are only too keen to put their young people in uniform, arm them and send them off to fight, in some cases for very "iffy" causes.
Many a WW2 vet can be quoted a saying that he was not fighting for K&C, but for "his mum".
phumy said:
So, to all you "Nay Sayers", how do you feel about all the young lads and lasses out in Afghanistan at this moment, fighting the "enemy" and all the poor souls getting killed in the process?
Do you think they are doing it because they love it, (maybe they do), do they really want to be away from their loved ones and get shot at, and please dont come back with that old, "Oh but they knew what they were doing, it was their choice to join up", yes of course it was their choice. And their choice was to get up and do something about the growing threat of terrorism, or maybe they just wanted something a little more exciting in life, instead of sat on their backsides moaning about the weather, or how much it will cost to change the water pump at the main dealer.
If conscription or National Service, as it was known, was in force and you were of the correct age then you would be called upon to "serve", like it or not you would either join up or be sent to prison and labelled a "Pansy" for the rest of your life.
Looking at this thread i can see quite a few Pansies.....
utter garbageDo you think they are doing it because they love it, (maybe they do), do they really want to be away from their loved ones and get shot at, and please dont come back with that old, "Oh but they knew what they were doing, it was their choice to join up", yes of course it was their choice. And their choice was to get up and do something about the growing threat of terrorism, or maybe they just wanted something a little more exciting in life, instead of sat on their backsides moaning about the weather, or how much it will cost to change the water pump at the main dealer.
If conscription or National Service, as it was known, was in force and you were of the correct age then you would be called upon to "serve", like it or not you would either join up or be sent to prison and labelled a "Pansy" for the rest of your life.
Looking at this thread i can see quite a few Pansies.....
I had a few pints with a PHer last night who's been in the forces for 22 years, he's getting out next year as he's becomed disilusioned with the forces and the reasons behind where they're currently serving
phumy said:
So, to all you "Nay Sayers", how do you feel about all the young lads and lasses out in Afghanistan at this moment, fighting the "enemy" and all the poor souls getting killed in the process?
Do you think they are doing it because they love it, (maybe they do), do they really want to be away from their loved ones and get shot at, and please dont come back with that old, "Oh but they knew what they were doing, it was their choice to join up", yes of course it was their choice. And their choice was to get up and do something about the growing threat of terrorism, or maybe they just wanted something a little more exciting in life, instead of sat on their backsides moaning about the weather, or how much it will cost to change the water pump at the main dealer.
If conscription or National Service, as it was known, was in force and you were of the correct age then you would be called upon to "serve", like it or not you would either join up or be sent to prison and labelled a "Pansy" for the rest of your life.
Looking at this thread i can see quite a few Pansies.....
Hmmm, if people want a job where they standard a chance of getting killed or wounded that's up to them. Afghanistan is a pointless conflict and I'm still waiting for WMDs from Iraq. Do you think they are doing it because they love it, (maybe they do), do they really want to be away from their loved ones and get shot at, and please dont come back with that old, "Oh but they knew what they were doing, it was their choice to join up", yes of course it was their choice. And their choice was to get up and do something about the growing threat of terrorism, or maybe they just wanted something a little more exciting in life, instead of sat on their backsides moaning about the weather, or how much it will cost to change the water pump at the main dealer.
If conscription or National Service, as it was known, was in force and you were of the correct age then you would be called upon to "serve", like it or not you would either join up or be sent to prison and labelled a "Pansy" for the rest of your life.
Looking at this thread i can see quite a few Pansies.....
There's also the civilian death toil in these countries but they don't seem to count.
Conscription only works if the bulk of the public are behind it, if a significant number of people say 'no thanks' it doesn't work.
Fight for queen and country? No thanks.
If it was a situation like WW2, Then yes if there was a direct threat to my way of life, my family and my chances of bringing my family up in a country with standards and political and social beliefs that I do not believe in and would be unable to influence then yes I would.
If it was to take part in a war I dont fully believe in accross the other side of the world, well the fact I am sitting in an office in Reading rather than in a tent in Afghanistan.
They all do one f
king hard job, if you agree with the war or not I have huge respect for the men and women who choose to fight for our country.
If it was to take part in a war I dont fully believe in accross the other side of the world, well the fact I am sitting in an office in Reading rather than in a tent in Afghanistan.
They all do one f
king hard job, if you agree with the war or not I have huge respect for the men and women who choose to fight for our country. anonymous said:
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Do you believe fighting them actually reduces terrorism? I certainly don't recall beating the IRA on a battle field. I'd talk to them, seems more effective.If the UK was being invaded it depends on who by. I'd either leave or welcome them, not die to defend parliament and the queen, quite frankly anyone is welcome to the UK establishment.
Eric Mc said:
Monki said:
phumy said:
So, to all you "Nay Sayers", how do you feel about all the young lads and lasses out in Afghanistan at this moment, fighting the "enemy" and all the poor souls getting killed in the process?
Do you think they are doing it because they love it, (maybe they do), do they really want to be away from their loved ones and get shot at, and please dont come back with that old, "Oh but they knew what they were doing, it was their choice to join up", yes of course it was their choice. And their choice was to get up and do something about the growing threat of terrorism, or maybe they just wanted something a little more exciting in life, instead of sat on their backsides moaning about the weather, or how much it will cost to change the water pump at the main dealer.
I think it's sad that they are been killed over in Afghanistan etc, however that was their choice. I mean come on, when you sign up to the army do you really think you're going to spend your life in the UK playing soldier in the Black Mountains with fake bullets? Do you think they are doing it because they love it, (maybe they do), do they really want to be away from their loved ones and get shot at, and please dont come back with that old, "Oh but they knew what they were doing, it was their choice to join up", yes of course it was their choice. And their choice was to get up and do something about the growing threat of terrorism, or maybe they just wanted something a little more exciting in life, instead of sat on their backsides moaning about the weather, or how much it will cost to change the water pump at the main dealer.
The war in Afghanistan is the most intensive fighting the British Army has faced since Korea so it has to be said that this current generation of British soldiers are having to face the toughest fighting since their grandfathers did.
I think rolling eyes is rather disingenuous to the what these guys are going through.
saddle_bum said:
Many a WW2 vet can be quoted a saying that he was not fighting for K&C, but for "his mum".
If you watch/read any interview with the guys who have returned then very rarely will you hear them talking about the fight for Q&C but rather simply for "their mates".A lot is said about how this generation could not fight they way we did in WW2 and that we are too happy sat on our arses watching Jeremy Kyle all day, I think the lads & lasses out there at the moment prove that statement wrong to a degree.
Cotty said:
Monki said:
would you be willing to fight and die for your country?
Or more to the point would you be willing to fight and die for your life and your way of life. If we were being invaded by a country that wanted to ban alcohol and driving fast cars, then yep im there. Totally depends on what the war is about.
We've been to war over a lot of silly stuff and it would take a threat equivalent to the germans in 1939 for me to pick up a gun and fight.
I'm not going to risk my life for oil.
Also, if an ally was attacked and we weren't being threatened I wouldn't be willing to go to war. We have our army of volunteers which can be used. They signed up for it willingly and they should be used.
We've been to war over a lot of silly stuff and it would take a threat equivalent to the germans in 1939 for me to pick up a gun and fight.
I'm not going to risk my life for oil.
Also, if an ally was attacked and we weren't being threatened I wouldn't be willing to go to war. We have our army of volunteers which can be used. They signed up for it willingly and they should be used.
phumy said:
So, to all you "Nay Sayers", how do you feel about all the young lads and lasses out in Afghanistan at this moment, fighting the "enemy" and all the poor souls getting killed in the process?
Do you think they are doing it because they love it, (maybe they do), do they really want to be away from their loved ones and get shot at, and please dont come back with that old, "Oh but they knew what they were doing, it was their choice to join up", yes of course it was their choice. And their choice was to get up and do something about the growing threat of terrorism, or maybe they just wanted something a little more exciting in life, instead of sat on their backsides moaning about the weather, or how much it will cost to change the water pump at the main dealer.
If conscription or National Service, as it was known, was in force and you were of the correct age then you would be called upon to "serve", like it or not you would either join up or be sent to prison and labelled a "Pansy" for the rest of your life.
Looking at this thread i can see quite a few Pansies.....
hahahha sooo funny were you the school bully too. rather be a "pansy" than end up pansy fertiliser like you would - jesus its the 21st century you know. eeeeeerm they are in afghanistan because they joined the army and i would not be in prison I'd be in ibiza having fun with my life not doing what others tell me to without question without a brain.Do you think they are doing it because they love it, (maybe they do), do they really want to be away from their loved ones and get shot at, and please dont come back with that old, "Oh but they knew what they were doing, it was their choice to join up", yes of course it was their choice. And their choice was to get up and do something about the growing threat of terrorism, or maybe they just wanted something a little more exciting in life, instead of sat on their backsides moaning about the weather, or how much it will cost to change the water pump at the main dealer.
If conscription or National Service, as it was known, was in force and you were of the correct age then you would be called upon to "serve", like it or not you would either join up or be sent to prison and labelled a "Pansy" for the rest of your life.
Looking at this thread i can see quite a few Pansies.....
raf_gti said:
If you watch/read any interview with the guys who have returned then very rarely will you hear them talking about the fight for Q&C but rather simply for "their mates".
A lot is said about how this generation could not fight they way we did in WW2 and that we are too happy sat on our arses watching Jeremy Kyle all day, I think the lads & lasses out there at the moment prove that statement wrong to a degree.
Isn't fighting for 'your mates' pretty much the same as being in a mob? Once people get in a group they tend to go along with group thinking which isn't normally that helpful. As an earlier poster showed, how many people fight because they don't want to be called a 'Pansy' rather than any real belief in what they are doing?A lot is said about how this generation could not fight they way we did in WW2 and that we are too happy sat on our arses watching Jeremy Kyle all day, I think the lads & lasses out there at the moment prove that statement wrong to a degree.
Some people will fight for a cause they believe in (e.g. Spanish Civil war) but most people won't. Generally people will fight to protect their family/property or for money. War isn't a very noble business.
Judging by the apathetic response to the current shower of ste in power at the moment, the bloody Isle of White could invade the mainland and nobody would give a st. Maybe England has had its time, why lament it anymore, it is an island lost to the feral youth and the self serving. I won't shed a tear and I certainly wouldn't fight to keep it "English" Perhaps it is time for you to all pay the price of your overstretched lifestyles of sloth and indifference, the old Blitz spirit has long gone, Welcome to the homogeneous EU straight cucumber life of servitude to your unelected leaders. Sieg Heil!
te in power at the moment, the bloody Isle of White could invade the mainland and nobody would give a st. Maybe England has had its time, why lament it anymore, it is an island lost to the feral youth and the self serving. I won't shed a tear and I certainly wouldn't fight to keep it "English" Perhaps it is time for you to all pay the price of your overstretched lifestyles of sloth and indifference, the old Blitz spirit has long gone, Welcome to the homogeneous EU straight cucumber life of servitude to your unelected leaders. Sieg Heil!My friend joined up because he had an £80-£120 a day cocaine addiction and it was the only way he could see himself getting better.
It worked, but now he's stuck in the paras. He's just doing the minimum amount of tours before he can get out.
I respect anyone that chooses to join the forces and risk their lives, especially anyone who joins up after Gulf War 2.
My friend's serving in afghanistan so it's a more valid war.
Edit: Also I think we need a real war to unite people again.
It worked, but now he's stuck in the paras. He's just doing the minimum amount of tours before he can get out.
I respect anyone that chooses to join the forces and risk their lives, especially anyone who joins up after Gulf War 2.
My friend's serving in afghanistan so it's a more valid war.
Edit: Also I think we need a real war to unite people again.
Edited by Frankeh on Wednesday 28th October 10:17
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