I've been asked to join the Freemasons
Discussion
Soir said:
WorAl said:
escargot said:
WorAl said:
alot of people from PH have just gone down in my estimations.
For being masons?
scotal said:
WorAl said:
escargot said:
WorAl said:
alot of people from PH have just gone down in my estimations.
For being masons?
(I'm not a Mason for your guide.)
WorAl said:
aarrrghhhh knew i shouldnt have posted that, ok maybe saying they have gone down in my estimations was the wrong wording. I just dont believe in that sort of group - a place where personal gain is made easier.
Like I said hardly the place to discuss it so lets leave it there.
And Soir, no I wont be letting my kids join the scouts.
(ETA - Different reasons though)
For me, it's the intrigue and historical aspects that ultimately tempted me to say yes.Like I said hardly the place to discuss it so lets leave it there.
And Soir, no I wont be letting my kids join the scouts.
(ETA - Different reasons though)Edited by WorAl on Thursday 17th December 09:45
Mr Sea said:
It's the religious element that's putting me off, I'm not the least bit religious but then I wonder how many FM's are religious?
This is difficult to explain but I'll have a go....Freemasonry is not a religion, there is no religious doctrine therefore it is nothing like organised church religion. All topics of religious (and political) discussion are forbidden at meetings.
The core of Freemasonry is your personal relationship with your God, whomever or whatever that may be. There is nothing prescribed in our rituals or meetings. Yes we invoke prayers and yes there is a holy book open in Lodge.
Within the UK the holy book used in the Lodge is normall the bible as that is the holy book of the majority of the members but I have seen alongside the bible other holy books which are relevant to other members who follow a different faith.
I don't know if that helps or hinders.....
Edited by rednotdead on Thursday 17th December 09:53
scotal said:
WorAl said:
Actually a surprising amount for some reason
That's 'cos there's f
king farsands of the buggers Al. The vast majority of whom are perfectly fine.Mr Sea said:
It's the religious element that's putting me off, I'm not the least bit religious but then I wonder how many FM's are religious?
I'm not religious at all and although when I joined I did believe in a higher being I no longer do.WorAl said:
aarrrghhhh knew i shouldnt have posted that, ok maybe saying they have gone down in my estimations was the wrong wording. I just dont believe in that sort of group - a place where personal gain is made easier.
What sort of personal gain do you think is made easier by being a mason? The only personal gain I got was from the enjoyment and friendship it gave me, I never got any other sort of gain from it. Edited by jagracer on Thursday 17th December 09:56
jagracer said:
Mr Sea said:
It's the religious element that's putting me off, I'm not the least bit religious but then I wonder how many FM's are religious?
I'm not religious at all and although when I joined I did believe in a higher being I no longer do.WorAl said:
aarrrghhhh knew i shouldnt have posted that, ok maybe saying they have gone down in my estimations was the wrong wording. I just dont believe in that sort of group - a place where personal gain is made easier.
What sort of personal gain do you think is made easier by being a mason? The only personal gain I got was from the enjoyment and friendship it gave me, I never got any other sort of gain from it. Edited by jagracer on Thursday 17th December 09:56
ianash said:
Whilst everybody say's don't join it for what you get out of it, in my experience many do. You will get a great opportunity to network and you may get a leg up in your business/career. People like doing business with people they know and trust. It's a great upstanding organisation dedicated to charity - nuff said?
WorAl said:
I just dont believe in that sort of group - a place where personal gain is made easier.
You mean you've never asked a mate for a favour?Throughout life it's not what you know, it's who you know. Freemasons are just a group of people, some you'll get on with and become friends with, some you won't.
It's not particularly religious either, believing in a supreme being doesn't necessarily mean God, like I said early, I have a wife, so it was easy to answer yes.
My grandfather was involved with the Ancient order of Buffalos. Are they still in existence? Are they similar to the Masons? All I know was that they were involved with financial welfare with regard to wounded WW1 soldiers who could not find work after the war because of their disabilities.
sleep envy said:
I've not had any material gain from being on the square for nearly ten years either
bang goes another misconception
I have.bang goes another misconception
In fact I just spoke to him, we were chatting in lodge, he was going on his own, I gave him some advice, and he's now a client of 4 years, I look after him too, give him a 'mates rate'
Because he is a mate.
Nothing wrong with that, I didn't join to pick up clients (I wasn't managing any at that age anyway)
I've only picked up two anyway, and they're the two guys I get on best with.
dirty boy said:
WorAl said:
I just dont believe in that sort of group - a place where personal gain is made easier.
You mean you've never asked a mate for a favour?Throughout life it's not what you know, it's who you know. Freemasons are just a group of people, some you'll get on with and become friends with, some you won't.
sleep envy said:
In what way?
In the same way as one of my family does.Complete a
hole, can't stand the bloke and he does nothing but rob people of there money. He is the worst clerk of the works i've ever met.The only reason he is still in business is because of the Masons and he has told us this on several occasions. "this chap is a good lad, he will sort your walls for you" - is he and would he f
k, I wouldn't trust him to count to ten.Thats one of them!
sleep envy said:
I've not had any material gain from being on the square for nearly ten years either
bang goes another misconception
A common misconception.bang goes another misconception
17 years here, and all I have ever got out of it is some good friends and raising money for good causes including the widows of departed brethren, as well as some good times with my Dad and some discussions about life and death which we'd never otherwise have had.
Those who attack the Craft tend to be those that think they're missing out because no one will invite them.
To be honest, nepotism and "favours" are FAR FAR worse at the local golf club.
Edited by Soovy on Thursday 17th December 10:31
Mattt said:
WorAl said:
Complete ahole
Surely he'd be an aholehole anyway even if he wasn't a Mason?ETA one good thing I suppose came of it, me and my dad got to do rectify his work on more than 1 occasion.
Edited by WorAl on Thursday 17th December 10:36
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