I've been asked to join the Freemasons
Discussion
Henners said:
GTO-3R said:
Our installation in a couple of weeks and I'll be moving up to SW with my uncle going in the chair. Looking forward to the year and already reading up on the WM's words. I'm proposing someone to come in too so all being well with timings I'll be the one to raise him which I can't wait for!
I've just gone from SW to WM. It's amazing how much you just absorb - particularly the opening and closing.Although you have to decide what to gavel rather than just copy...
Guess who got their knocks wrong on their instillation closing
Henners said:
Sounds good!
We have balloted for 1, but had to turn 3 away because they haven't met the required criteria, which is a shame.
2 more in the pipeline for interviews though!
What are the criteria that applicants have to meet?We have balloted for 1, but had to turn 3 away because they haven't met the required criteria, which is a shame.
2 more in the pipeline for interviews though!
Do people not self assess before hand or. are the criteria a closely guarded secret?
MTech535 said:
Henners said:
Sounds good!
We have balloted for 1, but had to turn 3 away because they haven't met the required criteria, which is a shame.
2 more in the pipeline for interviews though!
What are the criteria that applicants have to meet?We have balloted for 1, but had to turn 3 away because they haven't met the required criteria, which is a shame.
2 more in the pipeline for interviews though!
Do people not self assess before hand or. are the criteria a closely guarded secret?
- Do you believe in a supreme being
- Ensure they're aware of the financial commitment (fees and festive board costs etc)
- Are they enthusiastic / joining for the right reasons - we won't make you the next Prime Minister, thats my job
- Criminal convictions
- Are you morally fit
Stuff like that.
Basically if you're normal and not an ex bank robber, you're usually OK.
One question we ask now a bit more forcefully ( well sort of!!)
'If you are thinking of joining just to 'feather your own nest' go join a golf club, Freemasonry is the complete opposite'. as you will be wasting our time and yours
Had a couple of guys who just got initiated and then never seen again, somehow i think it was they could tell people they are freemasons and thus, wrongly, get preferential treatment.
Another new entrant, who on being asked to be a steward, ( for the non masons here, its the first step on the ladder to the chair) said he didnt want to do it as all he wanted to do was sit at the festive boards and 'meet' people. It ws politely explained that is entirely the wrong answer and attitude
Trouble is these people believe all they are told by those non masons, who profess to know everything about the craft.........and dont
'If you are thinking of joining just to 'feather your own nest' go join a golf club, Freemasonry is the complete opposite'. as you will be wasting our time and yours
Had a couple of guys who just got initiated and then never seen again, somehow i think it was they could tell people they are freemasons and thus, wrongly, get preferential treatment.
Another new entrant, who on being asked to be a steward, ( for the non masons here, its the first step on the ladder to the chair) said he didnt want to do it as all he wanted to do was sit at the festive boards and 'meet' people. It ws politely explained that is entirely the wrong answer and attitude
Trouble is these people believe all they are told by those non masons, who profess to know everything about the craft.........and dont
silverfoxcc said:
Another new entrant, who on being asked to be a steward, ( for the non masons here, its the first step on the ladder to the chair) said he didnt want to do it as all he wanted to do was sit at the festive boards and 'meet' people. It ws politely explained that is entirely the wrong answer and attitude
Trouble is these people believe all they are told by those non masons, who profess to know everything about the craft.........and dont
I’m not sure I totally agree with that. Unless he meant for personal advantage. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with people staying as EA if they are happy with that - seems a shame to me but hey that’s their decision.Trouble is these people believe all they are told by those non masons, who profess to know everything about the craft.........and dont
Henners said:
No real secrets, no suprises. Conversation usually goes along the lines of:
- Do you believe in a supreme being
- Ensure they're aware of the financial commitment (fees and festive board costs etc)
- Are they enthusiastic / joining for the right reasons - we won't make you the next Prime Minister, thats my job
- Criminal convictions
- Are you morally fit
Stuff like that.
Basically if you're normal and not an ex bank robber, you're usually OK.
So, you first question and your last comment do not fit together. It shows a flaw in you belief. - Do you believe in a supreme being
- Ensure they're aware of the financial commitment (fees and festive board costs etc)
- Are they enthusiastic / joining for the right reasons - we won't make you the next Prime Minister, thats my job
- Criminal convictions
- Are you morally fit
Stuff like that.
Basically if you're normal and not an ex bank robber, you're usually OK.
"Do you Believe in a supreme being?"
And
"If you're normal and not an ex bank robber, you're usually OK."
If you believe in a supreme being, the first thing you should have learn is to accept anyone and forgive.
E34-3.2 said:
So, you first question and your last comment do not fit together. It shows a flaw in you belief.
"Do you Believe in a supreme being?"
And
"If you're normal and not an ex bank robber, you're usually OK."
If you believe in a supreme being, the first thing you should have learn is to accept anyone and forgive.
In your opinion, but thats why FM isn't right for all - and why it's a bunch of very different people. Your view seems to be the traditional Christian one, which is fine - but the scope is much much wider."Do you Believe in a supreme being?"
And
"If you're normal and not an ex bank robber, you're usually OK."
If you believe in a supreme being, the first thing you should have learn is to accept anyone and forgive.
A FM may not even believe in any of the traditional religions.
Henners said:
E34-3.2 said:
So, you first question and your last comment do not fit together. It shows a flaw in you belief.
"Do you Believe in a supreme being?"
And
"If you're normal and not an ex bank robber, you're usually OK."
If you believe in a supreme being, the first thing you should have learn is to accept anyone and forgive.
In your opinion, but thats why FM isn't right for all - and why it's a bunch of very different people. Your view seems to be the traditional Christian one, which is fine - but the scope is much much wider."Do you Believe in a supreme being?"
And
"If you're normal and not an ex bank robber, you're usually OK."
If you believe in a supreme being, the first thing you should have learn is to accept anyone and forgive.
A FM may not even believe in any of the traditional religions.
If you are religious in any religion traditional or not which believe in ONE supreme being, the right thing to do is to try to convert others. So joining freemasons is completely un-religious and against it.
Not a critic but I try to understand the logic of your group. I don't think freemasons should need to believe in anything.
Edited by E34-3.2 on Sunday 5th November 08:38
E34-3.2 said:
I see, but I don't understand that it is primordial that you believe in a supreme being and in a same time, you are not aloud to speak about religion. In that case you should accept humanist as surely, they will never speak religion.
Neither religion or politics are discussed - simply because they tend to cause debate and disharmony. Edited by E34-3.2 on Sunday 5th November 08:38
The question is a simply 'do you believe in a SB' and nothing more, not which one, not why.
E34-3.2 said:
If you are religious in any religion traditional or not which believe in ONE supreme being, the right thing to do is to try to convert others.
Not something I agree with you on, but thats a separate topic. Can you see why we don't discuss religion Edited by E34-3.2 on Sunday 5th November 08:38
The thing to keep in mind is that to some they may believe in something bigger, but it may not take the form of a religion for them.
There are some general point here, on the UGLE site.
The Moose said:
silverfoxcc said:
Another new entrant, who on being asked to be a steward, ( for the non masons here, its the first step on the ladder to the chair) said he didnt want to do it as all he wanted to do was sit at the festive boards and 'meet' people. It ws politely explained that is entirely the wrong answer and attitude
Trouble is these people believe all they are told by those non masons, who profess to know everything about the craft.........and dont
I’m not sure I totally agree with that. Unless he meant for personal advantage. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with people staying as EA if they are happy with that - seems a shame to me but hey that’s their decision.Trouble is these people believe all they are told by those non masons, who profess to know everything about the craft.........and dont
The way it was put was more obvious than that, he wanted to get as many work contacts for himself,and being a steward, would mean there were little chances at the festive board,
On the other hand have just heard of the death of one of our now honorary members 55 years in, and never in the chair. He just enjoyed being at Lodge meetings.We got him Hon Provisional, all round good guy
silverfoxcc said:
The Moose said:
silverfoxcc said:
Another new entrant, who on being asked to be a steward, ( for the non masons here, its the first step on the ladder to the chair) said he didnt want to do it as all he wanted to do was sit at the festive boards and 'meet' people. It ws politely explained that is entirely the wrong answer and attitude
Trouble is these people believe all they are told by those non masons, who profess to know everything about the craft.........and dont
I’m not sure I totally agree with that. Unless he meant for personal advantage. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with people staying as EA if they are happy with that - seems a shame to me but hey that’s their decision.Trouble is these people believe all they are told by those non masons, who profess to know everything about the craft.........and dont
The way it was put was more obvious than that, he wanted to get as many work contacts for himself,and being a steward, would mean there were little chances at the festive board,
On the other hand have just heard of the death of one of our now honorary members 55 years in, and never in the chair. He just enjoyed being at Lodge meetings.We got him Hon Provisional, all round good guy
Bit of a thread bump.
What is wrong with these idiots? You've just been given £2.5 million to buy much needed equipment...and you're bhing and moaning about it. Give me a break.
https://www.channel4.com/news/freemasons-donation-...
Thinking about it some more, I guess they are right - it is unacceptable that we should be paying for life-saving equipment. It should be paid for from public funds!
What is wrong with these idiots? You've just been given £2.5 million to buy much needed equipment...and you're bhing and moaning about it. Give me a break.
https://www.channel4.com/news/freemasons-donation-...
Thinking about it some more, I guess they are right - it is unacceptable that we should be paying for life-saving equipment. It should be paid for from public funds!
21TonyK said:
Can I just ask what the score is with the supreme being bit?
I'd like to think I would be a good Mason but I could not say I believe in a supreme being. A supreme "philosophy" yes, but not a being.
Am I out before I start?
Do you believe in a god?I'd like to think I would be a good Mason but I could not say I believe in a supreme being. A supreme "philosophy" yes, but not a being.
Am I out before I start?
Whether that be God, Allah, Buddha, etc., etc.
You need to believe in a god.
The Mad Monk said:
Do you believe in a god?
Whether that be God, Allah, Buddha, etc., etc.
You need to believe in a god.
Not a specific being or entity, no. If you mixed all the worlds religions and picked the best bits out... that would be me.Whether that be God, Allah, Buddha, etc., etc.
You need to believe in a god.
Hey... that's an idea... could I be a new supreme being?
All joking aside, no. I really follow no religion as such although I believe that Buddha was real and the philosophy is not one I would disagree with.
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