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basically I was saying, it's a better explanation than what they have come up with.
Considering all forms of modern flora and fauna came about "overnight" during the cambrian with no prior fossil record...
how do you explain this?
We have been searching for those missing fossils ever for over a hundred years around the globe, under the ocean and across continents, yet the fossil record is consistent everywhere you go.
So where are those missing fossils?
Considering all forms of modern flora and fauna came about "overnight" during the cambrian with no prior fossil record...
how do you explain this?
We have been searching for those missing fossils ever for over a hundred years around the globe, under the ocean and across continents, yet the fossil record is consistent everywhere you go.
So where are those missing fossils?
Edited by jbi on Saturday 10th July 11:50
ThePainter said:
Penny-lope said:
ShadownINja said:
ThePainter said:
Nothing ever good comes out of topics like this one. Can we ban this topic?
It's been at least 3 weeks since we had one. People need to get it out of their system. I suppose someone could just link to every argument and counter-argument via the search.
k fest? Much more enjoyable 
jbi said:
basically I was saying, it's a better explanation than what they have come up with.
Considering all forms of modern flora and fauna came about "overnight" during the cambrian with no prior fossil record...
how do you explain this?
We have been searching for those missing fossils ever for over a hundred years around the globe, under the ocean and across continents, yet the fossil record is consistent everywhere you go.
So where are those missing fossils?
Where are they indeed. What is your alternative? Maybe evolution just had a spurt on.Considering all forms of modern flora and fauna came about "overnight" during the cambrian with no prior fossil record...
how do you explain this?
We have been searching for those missing fossils ever for over a hundred years around the globe, under the ocean and across continents, yet the fossil record is consistent everywhere you go.
So where are those missing fossils?
Edited by jbi on Saturday 10th July 11:50
The problem, the way I see it is this:
If you don't believe in God, an argument that answers xx% of things isn't going to be enough to convert you to having a firm belief. It just won't be convincing.
But if you already believe in God, an argument that highlights some holes in your reasoning, or presents an alternative which also answers xx% of things and assumptions isn't going to be enough to convince you there is no God.
If people have already made their mind up on an issue, it will take something pretty big to make them reconsider their position- we see it in everything from politics and football to middle management and the types of food we eat.
If you don't believe in God, an argument that answers xx% of things isn't going to be enough to convert you to having a firm belief. It just won't be convincing.
But if you already believe in God, an argument that highlights some holes in your reasoning, or presents an alternative which also answers xx% of things and assumptions isn't going to be enough to convince you there is no God.
If people have already made their mind up on an issue, it will take something pretty big to make them reconsider their position- we see it in everything from politics and football to middle management and the types of food we eat.
I asked pretty much the same thing a while ago. If you have a spare few days have a read through this epic:
http://pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f...
http://pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f...
spandexx said:
I asked pretty much the same thing a while ago. If you have a spare few days have a read through this epic:
http://pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f...
fhttp://pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f...
k me, I didn't realise it'd got to 103 pages!
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He is looking remarkably well considering his situation 
ps we are not trying to ruin anything but point out this very topic comes up very often always with teh same result.
No minds will be changed no arguments won.
God botheres will still be god botheres believing in their imaginary friends. unbelievers will still not belive and at the end of page two it will turn into a slagging match.
ps we are not trying to ruin anything but point out this very topic comes up very often always with teh same result.
No minds will be changed no arguments won.
God botheres will still be god botheres believing in their imaginary friends. unbelievers will still not belive and at the end of page two it will turn into a slagging match.
Every time the topic of religion pops up I like to throw this Carl Sagan quote in.
"We succeeded in taking that picture [from deep space (4 billion miles away)], and, if you look at it, you see a dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever lived, lived out their lives. The aggregate of all our joys and sufferings, thousands of confident religions, ideologies and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilizations, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every hopeful child, every mother and father, every inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every superstar, every supreme leader, every saint and sinner in the history of our species, lived there on a mote of dust, suspended in a sunbeam.
The earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that in glory and in triumph they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of the dot on scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner of the dot. How frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds. Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity -- in all this vastness -- there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves. It is up to us. It's been said that astronomy is a humbling, and I might add, a character-building experience. To my mind, there is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly and compassionately with one another and to preserve and cherish that pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known."
God's do not exist.
"We succeeded in taking that picture [from deep space (4 billion miles away)], and, if you look at it, you see a dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever lived, lived out their lives. The aggregate of all our joys and sufferings, thousands of confident religions, ideologies and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilizations, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every hopeful child, every mother and father, every inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every superstar, every supreme leader, every saint and sinner in the history of our species, lived there on a mote of dust, suspended in a sunbeam.
The earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that in glory and in triumph they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of the dot on scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner of the dot. How frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds. Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity -- in all this vastness -- there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves. It is up to us. It's been said that astronomy is a humbling, and I might add, a character-building experience. To my mind, there is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly and compassionately with one another and to preserve and cherish that pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known."
God's do not exist.
jbi said:
basically I was saying, it's a better explanation than what they have come up with.
Considering all forms of modern flora and fauna came about "overnight" during the cambrian with no prior fossil record...
how do you explain this?
We have been searching for those missing fossils ever for over a hundred years around the globe, under the ocean and across continents, yet the fossil record is consistent everywhere you go.
So where are those missing fossils?
Maybe the animals and plants didn't leave fossils, to become a fossil an amazing number of coincidences / steps have to occur. Religions especially Judeo-Christian religions came about as a way of building a community, just look at what was happening around the holy land when Judaism appeared. The Kosher and Halal rules are health and safety/ food hygiene rules tailored to a desert environment. Considering all forms of modern flora and fauna came about "overnight" during the cambrian with no prior fossil record...
how do you explain this?
We have been searching for those missing fossils ever for over a hundred years around the globe, under the ocean and across continents, yet the fossil record is consistent everywhere you go.
So where are those missing fossils?
Edited by jbi on Saturday 10th July 11:50
jbi said:
most scientists will admit we know next to nothing about the universe.
While you might struggle with the concept of religion, it's also foolish to assume all of the answers have been found.
Find me an explanation for the "cambrian explosion" for example.
Err. Science understands that it doesn't understand everything. Religous nutters like to think they know all of the answers.While you might struggle with the concept of religion, it's also foolish to assume all of the answers have been found.
Find me an explanation for the "cambrian explosion" for example.
I prefer to listen to people who say "I don't know, but I'm trying to find it out" rather than people who say "I'm right, everyone else is wrong" without having any of that pesky evidence to back up their assertions.
The whole religious arguement eventually back up on having faith,to believe what you are told, and the fear of the consiquences not having it.
If you have faith you believe blindly, regardless of what happens. And some people need that to get through the day.
If you don't have faith, then its all bks.
My choice.... God walked away a long time ago.
If you have faith you believe blindly, regardless of what happens. And some people need that to get through the day.
If you don't have faith, then its all b
ks.My choice.... God walked away a long time ago.
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