Which of these is stopping my weight loss?
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Once again,there is little wrong with your diet.As long as you like oranges. 
Try switching a bit to apples or peaches.All fructose/sucrose means is the absorbtion rate
differs slightly.Calories are calories,whether they're from turkey or orange and if you've factored that into your total cal count - no difference.Avoid protein
drinks unless you regularly miss meals,they're loaded with calories as well which you won't need.What exercise are you doing?
Try switching a bit to apples or peaches.All fructose/sucrose means is the absorbtion ratediffers slightly.Calories are calories,whether they're from turkey or orange and if you've factored that into your total cal count - no difference.Avoid protein
drinks unless you regularly miss meals,they're loaded with calories as well which you won't need.What exercise are you doing?
RemainAllHoof said:
Because, unlike you, they don't eat anything. I knew an anorexic who ate a Mars bar for lunch one day; that is all she ate in a 24 hour period. I suspect she didn't have much the previous day or following day either. So there you go, you're eating too much! Just drink water and eat a single apple a day for a week. It's stupid but you will lose weight rapidly. My suspicion however is that the body is s
tting itself about a lack of food and storing what it can as it thinks it's a drought and may not get food for weeks.
Fair point, may try that. But won't my body just store the mars bar? After all it is 250 calories of sugar?tting itself about a lack of food and storing what it can as it thinks it's a drought and may not get food for weeks.lemonslap said:
Fair point, may try that. But won't my body just store the mars bar? After all it is 250 calories of sugar?
No, it'll use that up trying to keep you conscious. Then when you next devour a triple helping of roast dinner because you're starving, it'll store all 4500 calories.RemainAllHoof said:
It's to do with insulin release. Hazily, I recall that when insulin is released because of sugar intake, fat is stored. Something CnPed by OC a week or so ago, wasn't it?
Gotcha.This is only the case if you overeat to the point of poor health/obesity,and then it's the increased bodyweight that makes you ill.It can then trigger Type 2 diabetes (mellitus).
No worries Vette
diabetes (mellitus).I dont know of additional fat being stored in anyway from the insulin spike?? but would be interested to hear on that one, maybe the carb cravings that follow the cycle, most carbs eaten through craving are high in fats??
as far as I'm aware, stuffing ones face results in a surge of blood sugar, the body panic reacts to this unusually high amount of sugar in the blood by releasing insulin to remove said sugar but over reacts with too much insulin resulting in too much sugar being removed from the blood.
your brain then tells you to eat some more sugar to readdress the balance thus resulting in carb/sugar cravings, this is why when you eat something high in carbs (refined suger carbs the worst) you'll be hungary again in 1hr.
as an experiment, for one day, try eating protein with every carb intake you have, a good % breakdown would be: carbs 50% / protein 30% / fat 20%, what type of carbs is not that important for a short test.
with the same calorie intake as you would normally have, you should find much more consistent energy & much less (or no) cravings, the reason is the ingestion of protein at the same time as carbs. Protein is the most difficult enzyme for the body to digest so if eaten at the same time as you eat carbs it slows the digestion of the carbs resulting in greatly reduced blood sugar hyke thus averting the insulin spike circle
goldblum said:
RemainAllHoof said:
It's to do with insulin release. Hazily, I recall that when insulin is released because of sugar intake, fat is stored. Something CnPed by OC a week or so ago, wasn't it?
Gotcha.This is only the case if you overeat to the point of poor health/obesity,and then it's the increased bodyweight that makes you ill.It can then trigger Type 2 diabetes (mellitus).
as far as I'm aware, stuffing ones face results in a surge of blood sugar, the body panic reacts to this unusually high amount of sugar in the blood by releasing insulin to remove said sugar but over reacts with too much insulin resulting in too much sugar being removed from the blood.
your brain then tells you to eat some more sugar to readdress the balance thus resulting in carb/sugar cravings, this is why when you eat something high in carbs (refined suger carbs the worst) you'll be hungary again in 1hr.
as an experiment, for one day, try eating protein with every carb intake you have, a good % breakdown would be: carbs 50% / protein 30% / fat 20%, what type of carbs is not that important for a short test.
with the same calorie intake as you would normally have, you should find much more consistent energy & much less (or no) cravings, the reason is the ingestion of protein at the same time as carbs. Protein is the most difficult enzyme for the body to digest so if eaten at the same time as you eat carbs it slows the digestion of the carbs resulting in greatly reduced blood sugar hyke thus averting the insulin spike circle
Edited by Pvapour on Friday 11th November 19:06
Edited by Pvapour on Friday 11th November 19:14
Pvapour said:
I dont know of additional fat being stored in anyway from the insulin spike?? but would be interested to hear on that one, maybe the carb cravings that follow the cycle, most carbs eaten through craving are high in fats??
as far as I'm aware, stuffing ones face results in a surge of blood sugar, the body panic reacts to this unusually high amount of sugar in the blood by releasing insulin to remove said sugar but over reacts with too much insulin resulting in too much sugar being removed from the blood.
your brain then tells you to eat some more sugar to readdress the balance thus resulting in carb/sugar cravings, this is why when you eat something high in carbs (refined suger carbs the worst) you'll be hungary again in 1hr.
Um. What happens with the sugar that's removed from the blood?as far as I'm aware, stuffing ones face results in a surge of blood sugar, the body panic reacts to this unusually high amount of sugar in the blood by releasing insulin to remove said sugar but over reacts with too much insulin resulting in too much sugar being removed from the blood.
your brain then tells you to eat some more sugar to readdress the balance thus resulting in carb/sugar cravings, this is why when you eat something high in carbs (refined suger carbs the worst) you'll be hungary again in 1hr.
Not sure if anyone mentioned the porridge but I'd get rid of the banana as it makes your breakfast too carb/sugar rich and you probably don't need that much.
Try and substitute with a sprinkle of mixed natural seeds (sunflower, pumpkin and sesame) along with a teaspoon of decent honey and this 'will' make a difference. I'm not sure if it'll make the difference you're after but will cut down on unecessary carbs.
As already mentioned you're probably taking in too much sugar, even if it is unrefined. Definitely no good for you.
Try and substitute with a sprinkle of mixed natural seeds (sunflower, pumpkin and sesame) along with a teaspoon of decent honey and this 'will' make a difference. I'm not sure if it'll make the difference you're after but will cut down on unecessary carbs.
As already mentioned you're probably taking in too much sugar, even if it is unrefined. Definitely no good for you.
Fatman2 said:
Not sure if anyone mentioned the porridge but I'd get rid of the banana as it makes your breakfast too carb/sugar rich and you probably don't need that much.
No,it's fine.A good mix of fast/slow energy release from simple and complex carbohydrate sources.Fatman2 said:
As already mentioned you're probably taking in too much sugar, even if it is unrefined. Definitely no good for you.
Sugar is not 'bad' to a healthy person it is simply 'empty calories'. It should be avoided if you're trying to diet as there are better foods that afford a greaterenergy return with fewer calories.Like a banana.
goldblum said:
Fatman2 said:
Not sure if anyone mentioned the porridge but I'd get rid of the banana as it makes your breakfast too carb/sugar rich and you probably don't need that much.
No,it's fine.A good mix of fast/slow energy release from simple and complex carbohydrate sources.Fatman2 said:
As already mentioned you're probably taking in too much sugar, even if it is unrefined. Definitely no good for you.
Sugar is not 'bad' to a healthy person it is simply 'empty calories'. It should be avoided if you're trying to diet as there are better foods that afford a greaterenergy return with fewer calories.Like a banana.
Bananas are great but are packed with carbs/sugar (for what they are).
Porridge and banana might sound like a good breakfast but there's little/no protein in there to balance it out.
It's a banana.Your pt is wrong.It does not depend on who you talk to.It's a fact.It won't spike your insulin (or any other bbuilding myth).If you have a proper diet
you don't need protein at breakfast.It's made no difference to you at all,a banana contains about 100 calories ffs.Greener bananas contain more fibre and less sugar,
there's another fact.Trust me,if your dipst pt told you this he's totally bananas crackers. 
you don't need protein at breakfast.It's made no difference to you at all,a banana contains about 100 calories ffs.Greener bananas contain more fibre and less sugar,
there's another fact.Trust me,if your dips
t pt told you this he's totally 
Id just have the porridge for breakfast. Rather than just the run get lifting weight too - muscle metabolises fat better than anything else. I hope you're interval running rather than just plodding along, and going for times too - you need goals to really push yourself as the weight drops off.
7 Oranges a day is NOT a balanced diet(!) - a mixture of fruit would be an improvement all that acid from the oranges will screw up your stomach lining.
7 Oranges a day is NOT a balanced diet(!) - a mixture of fruit would be an improvement all that acid from the oranges will screw up your stomach lining.
To Goldblum and Pvapour,
I have read the many posts over and over, and it is clear you two guys have the right message for me.
It's not to say I don't take in what the others have said, but I just get a good feeling that you two, stick out above the rest with your consistant knowledge.
I was also told, that a single banana with hot porrige oats was a good start to the day, and I feel it works.
Breakfast around 9am.
The banana gives me the start to the morning, while the hot porrige oats seem to keep me feeling "full" until well into the afternoon.
I have to remind myself oraound lunch time, about 1 pm, to eat some thing small, otherwise, I would go right through to 5pm before i "wanted" to eat.
Now I have also read and understood,m that I should eat 4 or 5 small meals a day, as this will keep the engine inside me running smoother, and not worry the body, where and when the next meal will come from.
I have read and heard, if I wait too long between meals, then the body some how "stores food" as it doesn't know when the next meal is coming.
I have cut down a lot on the oranges, (she said thanks to you guys, as she has lots more to eat now,,,,,,,,) just 2 a day for now.
Last night was a good portion of healthy chicken meal, very ligtly fried in olive oil,and an even bigger plate of lettuce, carrot, onion, tomatoes etc.
Really quite filling, but with as few carbs as she could do for me.
vette
p.s.
please every one, keep on commenting, I am hoping there are many more readers of this thread than just the posters.
Fat is probably some thing that affects many of us, if we really wanted to know the truth
vette is very thankfull.
I have read the many posts over and over, and it is clear you two guys have the right message for me.
It's not to say I don't take in what the others have said, but I just get a good feeling that you two, stick out above the rest with your consistant knowledge.
I was also told, that a single banana with hot porrige oats was a good start to the day, and I feel it works.
Breakfast around 9am.
The banana gives me the start to the morning, while the hot porrige oats seem to keep me feeling "full" until well into the afternoon.
I have to remind myself oraound lunch time, about 1 pm, to eat some thing small, otherwise, I would go right through to 5pm before i "wanted" to eat.
Now I have also read and understood,m that I should eat 4 or 5 small meals a day, as this will keep the engine inside me running smoother, and not worry the body, where and when the next meal will come from.
I have read and heard, if I wait too long between meals, then the body some how "stores food" as it doesn't know when the next meal is coming.
I have cut down a lot on the oranges, (she said thanks to you guys, as she has lots more to eat now,,,,,,,,) just 2 a day for now.
Last night was a good portion of healthy chicken meal, very ligtly fried in olive oil,and an even bigger plate of lettuce, carrot, onion, tomatoes etc.
Really quite filling, but with as few carbs as she could do for me.
vette
p.s.
please every one, keep on commenting, I am hoping there are many more readers of this thread than just the posters.
Fat is probably some thing that affects many of us, if we really wanted to know the truth
vette is very thankfull.
thanks for the comments Vette, I'm glad you're finding it useful
I dont get to participate on here as much as I'd like, there are some great experiences & knowledge being shared in a very constructive manner, more so than many health forums imo.
first off its transported to the muscles in the form of Glycogen (for quick useable energy) once these stores have been filled any excess gets moved to your fat stores.
What I was trying to say was that I did'nt know of any 'additional' fat stored through these hikes outside the bodies 'normal' procedure for storing fat.
looking into it though, it seems that these spikes in insulin can inhibit a certain enzyme, this enzyme would normaly allow your body to dip into your existing fat stores for energy, which means, with this enzyme being inhibited it means your body is not able to burn your stored body as effectively.
So this would most definitely lead to an increase in body fat from the insulin spikes! maybe not directly but even indirectly its still as important! thanks for making me look into it
eta: hard time of year for fat loss to Vette, your body has a genetic code to store more fat in colder weather
my appetite is through the roof, anyone else?
I dont get to participate on here as much as I'd like, there are some great experiences & knowledge being shared in a very constructive manner, more so than many health forums imo.
RemainAllHoof said:
Pvapour said:
I dont know of additional fat being stored in anyway from the insulin spike?? but would be interested to hear on that one, maybe the carb cravings that follow the cycle, most carbs eaten through craving are high in fats??
as far as I'm aware, stuffing ones face results in a surge of blood sugar, the body panic reacts to this unusually high amount of sugar in the blood by releasing insulin to remove said sugar but over reacts with too much insulin resulting in too much sugar being removed from the blood.
your brain then tells you to eat some more sugar to readdress the balance thus resulting in carb/sugar cravings, this is why when you eat something high in carbs (refined suger carbs the worst) you'll be hungary again in 1hr.
Um. What happens with the sugar that's removed from the blood?as far as I'm aware, stuffing ones face results in a surge of blood sugar, the body panic reacts to this unusually high amount of sugar in the blood by releasing insulin to remove said sugar but over reacts with too much insulin resulting in too much sugar being removed from the blood.
your brain then tells you to eat some more sugar to readdress the balance thus resulting in carb/sugar cravings, this is why when you eat something high in carbs (refined suger carbs the worst) you'll be hungary again in 1hr.
What I was trying to say was that I did'nt know of any 'additional' fat stored through these hikes outside the bodies 'normal' procedure for storing fat.
looking into it though, it seems that these spikes in insulin can inhibit a certain enzyme, this enzyme would normaly allow your body to dip into your existing fat stores for energy, which means, with this enzyme being inhibited it means your body is not able to burn your stored body as effectively.
So this would most definitely lead to an increase in body fat from the insulin spikes! maybe not directly but even indirectly its still as important! thanks for making me look into it
eta: hard time of year for fat loss to Vette, your body has a genetic code to store more fat in colder weather
my appetite is through the roof, anyone else?Edited by Pvapour on Saturday 12th November 09:05
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