Which of these is stopping my weight loss?
Discussion
Chapppers said:
Why no protein for breakfast guys? A couple of eggs for breakfast always keeps me feeling fuller for much longer than other stuff. Helped me loads during my weight loss, and I never once went on a frenzied orange binge session 
I don't know but some like to shoot down the ideas of others as they clearly know best 
It's not just my local PT that advocates a balanced protein/carb/fat diet. I've read a number of nutrition books from proffesional nutritionalists (Ian Marber's Food Doctor Diet from DK is one such book) and he advocates eating a balanced breakfast.
From what I've read maintaining a constant protein intake is essential. It's not that the lowly banana is a bad thing to eat but coupled with porridge makes it heavily carb biased. Fine if you don't need to worry about carb intake but it all stacks up if trying to lose weight. By simply substituting a banana with some protein rich foods i.e. seeds/nuts then you have an instanty more balanced meal, which makes sense given the widely accepted view that protein keeps you feeling fuller for longer.
Unless this guys is a freakin expert with letters after his name then it's poor form to start trashing the views of professionals. But hey, this is the internet so you can't just agree to disagree in a more civilised manner.
Pvapour said:
first off its transported to the muscles in the form of Glycogen (for quick useable energy) once these stores have been filled any excess gets moved to your fat stores.
What I was trying to say was that I did'nt know of any 'additional' fat stored through these hikes outside the bodies 'normal' procedure for storing fat.
looking into it though, it seems that these spikes in insulin can inhibit a certain enzyme, this enzyme would normaly allow your body to dip into your existing fat stores for energy, which means, with this enzyme being inhibited it means your body is not able to burn your stored body as effectively.
So this would most definitely lead to an increase in body fat from the insulin spikes! maybe not directly but even indirectly its still as important! thanks for making me look into it
Even the first part is going to result in increased fat stores; remember he's eating 4 million oranges before lunch. So Lemon was right.What I was trying to say was that I did'nt know of any 'additional' fat stored through these hikes outside the bodies 'normal' procedure for storing fat.
looking into it though, it seems that these spikes in insulin can inhibit a certain enzyme, this enzyme would normaly allow your body to dip into your existing fat stores for energy, which means, with this enzyme being inhibited it means your body is not able to burn your stored body as effectively.
So this would most definitely lead to an increase in body fat from the insulin spikes! maybe not directly but even indirectly its still as important! thanks for making me look into it
Edited by RemainAllHoof on Saturday 12th November 10:46
Just out of interest chap, when you say "good exercise 7 days a week" what exactly is it you are doing and for how long at a time?
Looking briefly at your initial post, I'd say you're concentrating a little too much on diet and calorie counting - the bottom line is if you're not losing weight then you are either consuming too much or doing too little.
A little simplistic, I appreciate, but it would help to know a little more about the exercise side of things as this can have a significant impact on what you're trying to achieve (if weight loss is your goal).
Just briefly looking at your diet, personally I'd say your foods are quite calorie dense, you don't consume much in the way of fibrous carbs and tbh, you're making life (very) hard for yourself in eating just 3 meals a day. In addition I'd say your lunch is an unmitigated disaster - that huge gap between brekkie & evening meal (what? 12 hours?) with 3 oranges? Not good!
Edited to add - how long have you been on this particular diet/exercise regime?
Looking briefly at your initial post, I'd say you're concentrating a little too much on diet and calorie counting - the bottom line is if you're not losing weight then you are either consuming too much or doing too little.
A little simplistic, I appreciate, but it would help to know a little more about the exercise side of things as this can have a significant impact on what you're trying to achieve (if weight loss is your goal).
Just briefly looking at your diet, personally I'd say your foods are quite calorie dense, you don't consume much in the way of fibrous carbs and tbh, you're making life (very) hard for yourself in eating just 3 meals a day. In addition I'd say your lunch is an unmitigated disaster - that huge gap between brekkie & evening meal (what? 12 hours?) with 3 oranges? Not good!
Edited to add - how long have you been on this particular diet/exercise regime?
Edited by dangerousB on Saturday 12th November 11:21
Listen to me please.Protein,like any other food contains calories.Unless the OP is really pushing the weights he will get all his protein at supper,in the form of
chicken.Protein is needed to repair muscle after a workout,not before.So protein is needed at night,unless you're Tom Platz etc..If your body doesn't need it then
it's excess cals...still with me? It has been accepted for many years that your first meal of the day should make you feel full and provide energy for as long as
possible.So if you're exercising an ideal mix would be fibre/simple/complex carbs.I.E. Weetabix/porridge/banana.A banana (Aaaarrgh!) contains fructose not sucrose
and will not encourage an insulin spike.This insulin spike people are talking about WILL NOT AFFECT ANYONE ON THIS FORUM IN ANY WAY UNLESS THEY ARE AN
AMATEUR/PROFESSIONAL BODYBUILDER WITH A WEIGHTLOSS FIXATION.IT MIGHT SLOW DOWN FAT LOSS BY 30 MINUTES BUT BELIEVE ME AN AVERAGE PERSON WILL NOT NOTICE.At all.
EVER.PT's knowledge merely skims the surface and is not suitable for quoting as fact unless they're talking about arm curls or the benefits of stretching after
exercise.Want to confuse a PT? ask them why,if flexion is the decreasing of an angle between joints, the widening of the joint between shin/ankle is called plantar
flexion... Bananas.
chicken.Protein is needed to repair muscle after a workout,not before.So protein is needed at night,unless you're Tom Platz etc..If your body doesn't need it then
it's excess cals...still with me? It has been accepted for many years that your first meal of the day should make you feel full and provide energy for as long as
possible.So if you're exercising an ideal mix would be fibre/simple/complex carbs.I.E. Weetabix/porridge/banana.A banana (Aaaarrgh!) contains fructose not sucrose
and will not encourage an insulin spike.This insulin spike people are talking about WILL NOT AFFECT ANYONE ON THIS FORUM IN ANY WAY UNLESS THEY ARE AN
AMATEUR/PROFESSIONAL BODYBUILDER WITH A WEIGHTLOSS FIXATION.IT MIGHT SLOW DOWN FAT LOSS BY 30 MINUTES BUT BELIEVE ME AN AVERAGE PERSON WILL NOT NOTICE.At all.
EVER.PT's knowledge merely skims the surface and is not suitable for quoting as fact unless they're talking about arm curls or the benefits of stretching after
exercise.Want to confuse a PT? ask them why,if flexion is the decreasing of an angle between joints, the widening of the joint between shin/ankle is called plantar
flexion... Bananas.
Edited by goldblum on Saturday 12th November 11:37
RemainAllHoof said:
Pvapour said:
first off its transported to the muscles in the form of Glycogen (for quick useable energy) once these stores have been filled any excess gets moved to your fat stores.
What I was trying to say was that I did'nt know of any 'additional' fat stored through these hikes outside the bodies 'normal' procedure for storing fat.
looking into it though, it seems that these spikes in insulin can inhibit a certain enzyme, this enzyme would normaly allow your body to dip into your existing fat stores for energy, which means, with this enzyme being inhibited it means your body is not able to burn your stored body as effectively.
So this would most definitely lead to an increase in body fat from the insulin spikes! maybe not directly but even indirectly its still as important! thanks for making me look into it
Even the first part is going to result in increased fat stores; remember he's eating 4 million oranges before lunch. So Lemon was right.What I was trying to say was that I did'nt know of any 'additional' fat stored through these hikes outside the bodies 'normal' procedure for storing fat.
looking into it though, it seems that these spikes in insulin can inhibit a certain enzyme, this enzyme would normaly allow your body to dip into your existing fat stores for energy, which means, with this enzyme being inhibited it means your body is not able to burn your stored body as effectively.
So this would most definitely lead to an increase in body fat from the insulin spikes! maybe not directly but even indirectly its still as important! thanks for making me look into it
Edited by RemainAllHoof on Saturday 12th November 10:46
but like goldblum says, its marginal & unlikely to be noticed by most.
in the last 20 odd years of playing with food the single biggest change a diet has made to my composition has been the adding of protein to every meal, I didn't even change my calorie intake & I lost fat, but I think I may be more carb intolerant than most so would probably notice a much larger change.
Edited by Pvapour on Saturday 12th November 11:35
Why should I listen to you? Who the hell are you anyway? I've quoted my sources (including a Dip ION) so why should I be taking advice from someone that is clearly so condescending?
I don't think anyone has mentioned or suggested an insulin spike so perhaps you should be listening
I only listen to the PT as I've physically seen the results of people that have followed his advice. Oddly enough my wife was in the exact same predicament as the OP. Eating healthily and below her daily requirement but unable to shift that half stone of body fat. She's no bodybuilder but altered her eating habbits, one of which was porridge/banana for breakfast. Her exercise regime remained very similar (slightly more weights) as it was already very good. This was one of the factors that contributed to her steady loss of body fat over a 2-3 months i.e. higher protein, more balanced carb/protein/fats and 5 small meals a day.
Even if it is as you say, if the OP is treading a fine line then it is clear that taking in an additional 100cals is surplus. With his BMR that's approximately an hour of sitting on his backside to burn it off when it isn't really necessary. If he's doing this 7 days a week then 700 cals is not insignificant when tuning things at this level.
The OP is asking which things are retarding his weight loss and I believe he is heading towards the fine tuning aspects of his diet. We've all been there and whilst I don't profess to know it all, am only providing a suggestion that I know to have worked.
My personal (albeit amateur) opinion is that he's not eating frequently enough and too many bloody oranges LOL.
I don't think anyone has mentioned or suggested an insulin spike so perhaps you should be listening
I only listen to the PT as I've physically seen the results of people that have followed his advice. Oddly enough my wife was in the exact same predicament as the OP. Eating healthily and below her daily requirement but unable to shift that half stone of body fat. She's no bodybuilder but altered her eating habbits, one of which was porridge/banana for breakfast. Her exercise regime remained very similar (slightly more weights) as it was already very good. This was one of the factors that contributed to her steady loss of body fat over a 2-3 months i.e. higher protein, more balanced carb/protein/fats and 5 small meals a day.
Even if it is as you say, if the OP is treading a fine line then it is clear that taking in an additional 100cals is surplus. With his BMR that's approximately an hour of sitting on his backside to burn it off when it isn't really necessary. If he's doing this 7 days a week then 700 cals is not insignificant when tuning things at this level.
The OP is asking which things are retarding his weight loss and I believe he is heading towards the fine tuning aspects of his diet. We've all been there and whilst I don't profess to know it all, am only providing a suggestion that I know to have worked.
My personal (albeit amateur) opinion is that he's not eating frequently enough and too many bloody oranges LOL.
Hello all, and firstly thank you to evey one.
Clearly there are many intelligent people out there, all who are far more intelligent than me.
Some of the stuff you guys talk about is so way above me.
I have picked a "Low Carb" diet, as many things I have read, suggests that going for protien rich foods, will give more assistance to losing weight.
I have deliberatly tried to prevent myself from eating carbs. Difficult to do in practice, because so many foods caontain carbs.
I have therfore, looked at what was my biggest carb. foods, and threw them out of my intake.
Things like Rice, potatoes, pastries, bread, cookies etc.
I was understanding that if I could seriously reduce my carb. intake, then I would feel more tired, (as the carbs. generally give energy) and as such, my body would start to burn the stored carbs, as fat, around my stomach, waist and back.
I can "pinch a serious inch" as the saying used to go.
I am still losing, and still below the target blue line.
I have added another column, headed "LOST"
vette
Clearly there are many intelligent people out there, all who are far more intelligent than me.
Some of the stuff you guys talk about is so way above me.
I have picked a "Low Carb" diet, as many things I have read, suggests that going for protien rich foods, will give more assistance to losing weight.
I have deliberatly tried to prevent myself from eating carbs. Difficult to do in practice, because so many foods caontain carbs.
I have therfore, looked at what was my biggest carb. foods, and threw them out of my intake.
Things like Rice, potatoes, pastries, bread, cookies etc.
I was understanding that if I could seriously reduce my carb. intake, then I would feel more tired, (as the carbs. generally give energy) and as such, my body would start to burn the stored carbs, as fat, around my stomach, waist and back.
I can "pinch a serious inch" as the saying used to go.
I am still losing, and still below the target blue line.
I have added another column, headed "LOST"
vette
Fatman2 said:
Why should I listen to you? Who the hell are you anyway? I've quoted my sources (including a Dip ION) so why should I be taking advice from someone that is clearly so condescending?
I don't think anyone has mentioned or suggested an insulin spike so perhaps you should be listening
I only listen to the PT as I've physically seen the results of people that have followed his advice. Oddly enough my wife was in the exact same predicament as the OP. Eating healthily and below her daily requirement but unable to shift that half stone of body fat. She's no bodybuilder but altered her eating habbits, one of which was porridge/banana for breakfast. Her exercise regime remained very similar (slightly more weights) as it was already very good. This was one of the factors that contributed to her steady loss of body fat over a 2-3 months i.e. higher protein, more balanced carb/protein/fats and 5 small meals a day.
Even if it is as you say, if the OP is treading a fine line then it is clear that taking in an additional 100cals is surplus. With his BMR that's approximately an hour of sitting on his backside to burn it off when it isn't really necessary. If he's doing this 7 days a week then 700 cals is not insignificant when tuning things at this level.
The OP is asking which things are retarding his weight loss and I believe he is heading towards the fine tuning aspects of his diet. We've all been there and whilst I don't profess to know it all, am only providing a suggestion that I know to have worked.
My personal (albeit amateur) opinion is that he's not eating frequently enough and too many bloody oranges LOL.
Frequency of meals is down to personal preference.Calories are calories no matter what time of day or order or anything else.If you're prone to snacking it mightI don't think anyone has mentioned or suggested an insulin spike so perhaps you should be listening
I only listen to the PT as I've physically seen the results of people that have followed his advice. Oddly enough my wife was in the exact same predicament as the OP. Eating healthily and below her daily requirement but unable to shift that half stone of body fat. She's no bodybuilder but altered her eating habbits, one of which was porridge/banana for breakfast. Her exercise regime remained very similar (slightly more weights) as it was already very good. This was one of the factors that contributed to her steady loss of body fat over a 2-3 months i.e. higher protein, more balanced carb/protein/fats and 5 small meals a day.
Even if it is as you say, if the OP is treading a fine line then it is clear that taking in an additional 100cals is surplus. With his BMR that's approximately an hour of sitting on his backside to burn it off when it isn't really necessary. If he's doing this 7 days a week then 700 cals is not insignificant when tuning things at this level.
The OP is asking which things are retarding his weight loss and I believe he is heading towards the fine tuning aspects of his diet. We've all been there and whilst I don't profess to know it all, am only providing a suggestion that I know to have worked.
My personal (albeit amateur) opinion is that he's not eating frequently enough and too many bloody oranges LOL.
be more beneficial to eat more smaller meals and so curb that urge.I have four meals a day.Some I know snack all day and have no large meals at all.All depends.
Another internet myth.I might change my mind and agree with you on the oranges though..does seem a bit..obsessive.Maybe the OP works for the Orange Marketing Board
(FLa)?
Hello again "Tango orange hands here"
Well,,,, I would be if I had not have cut out the juicy oranges.
Now, just 1 a day.
As a slight change, I have bought a skinned and sliced fresh pineapple.
So tomorrow morning as a "treat" I will put some of this in the porrige oats, inplace of my usual banana.
No more than the same weight as a banana though.
Tonight was 150g chopped beef steak, with lightly fried, green peppers, sliced whole fresh tomatoe, and a green leaf salad not available in UK (I am in China just now) Quite "yummy"
vette
Well,,,, I would be if I had not have cut out the juicy oranges.
Now, just 1 a day.
As a slight change, I have bought a skinned and sliced fresh pineapple.
So tomorrow morning as a "treat" I will put some of this in the porrige oats, inplace of my usual banana.
No more than the same weight as a banana though.
Tonight was 150g chopped beef steak, with lightly fried, green peppers, sliced whole fresh tomatoe, and a green leaf salad not available in UK (I am in China just now) Quite "yummy"
vette
uk_vette said:
Hello all, and firstly thank you to evey one.
Clearly there are many intelligent people out there, all who are far more intelligent than me.
Some of the stuff you guys talk about is so way above me.
I have picked a "Low Carb" diet, as many things I have read, suggests that going for protien rich foods, will give more assistance to losing weight.
I have deliberatly tried to prevent myself from eating carbs. Difficult to do in practice, because so many foods caontain carbs.
I have therfore, looked at what was my biggest carb. foods, and threw them out of my intake.
Things like Rice, potatoes, pastries, bread, cookies etc.
I was understanding that if I could seriously reduce my carb. intake, then I would feel more tired, (as the carbs. generally give energy) and as such, my body would start to burn the stored carbs, as fat, around my stomach, waist and back.
I can "pinch a serious inch" as the saying used to go.
I am still losing, and still below the target blue line.
I have added another column, headed "LOST"
vette
sounds like the right track Vette, Rice & Potatoe are good sources of carbs though, more so if sweet potato, whole grain or basmati rice. As long as you're eating a good portion of protein with them then Clearly there are many intelligent people out there, all who are far more intelligent than me.
Some of the stuff you guys talk about is so way above me.
I have picked a "Low Carb" diet, as many things I have read, suggests that going for protien rich foods, will give more assistance to losing weight.
I have deliberatly tried to prevent myself from eating carbs. Difficult to do in practice, because so many foods caontain carbs.
I have therfore, looked at what was my biggest carb. foods, and threw them out of my intake.
Things like Rice, potatoes, pastries, bread, cookies etc.
I was understanding that if I could seriously reduce my carb. intake, then I would feel more tired, (as the carbs. generally give energy) and as such, my body would start to burn the stored carbs, as fat, around my stomach, waist and back.
I can "pinch a serious inch" as the saying used to go.
I am still losing, and still below the target blue line.
I have added another column, headed "LOST"
vette
try to vary your protein as much as possible to as each one has different amino acids that build up the block of 'essential' amino acids needed by the body to use the protein.most animal derived proteins are what they call complete, ie they have all the essential aminos contained in them, fish. eggs (whites only best) chicken, beef (lean) etc
goldblum said:
Calories are calories no matter what time of day or order or anything else
are you saying it makes no difference what form (carbs, protein, fat) your calories are ingested from? or what time of day they are taken?Pvapour said:
are you saying it makes no difference what form (carbs, protein, fat) your calories are ingested from? or what time of day they are taken?
No.The body needs proteins,carbs etc for different reasons.If you take in a given number of cals,whether it's 3 meals throughout the day (say 2,500 cals)or one huge evening meal,say pizza,chips,beer,dessert (2,500 cals)
then all the body deals with is the energy from those cals - not what time you took them in.
There is an argument that posits that if you're eating small amounts regularly you're 'firing' up your metabolism and hence burning even more calories but this
ignores the fact your metabolism has more work to do than simply digesting the food in your stomach.Anyway the difference in cals burnt by the metabolism between
3 or 5 meals a day would not be worth calculating.
goldblum said:
Pvapour said:
are you saying it makes no difference what form (carbs, protein, fat) your calories are ingested from? or what time of day they are taken?
No.The body needs proteins,carbs etc for different reasons.If you take in a given number of cals,whether it's 3 meals throughout the day (say 2,500 cals)or one huge evening meal,say pizza,chips,beer,dessert (2,500 cals)
then all the body deals with is the energy from those cals - not what time you took them in.
There is an argument that posits that if you're eating small amounts regularly you're 'firing' up your metabolism and hence burning even more calories but this
ignores the fact your metabolism has more work to do than simply digesting the food in your stomach.Anyway the difference in cals burnt by the metabolism between
3 or 5 meals a day would not be worth calculating.
Your body changes through the day & scientific studies have proven that certain foods are better absorbed & used by the body at certain times of the day.
5 meals a day works much better when linked to protein with every meal, due to the sustained thermogenic digestion properties created by eating protein thus increasing metabolic rate further for longer.
if you consider the protein needs for maintaining / building muscle then 3 meals a day are vastly inferior as you cannot get the required protein into your muscles when only divided by 3 meals, you could eat enough, for arguments sake lets say 180g, but your body would not be able to synthasise 60 odd grammes of protein in one sitting.
divided your 180g of protein by 5 & you come close to the bodies max absorption capability of about 30g + you get the added advantage of no big ups & downs of energy through the insulin spikes & as I have mentioned, the side effects of insulin spikes.
you: eat your 2500kcal 1 meal Pizza
I'll have the same pizza pulled apart & divided into 5 & spread through the day, I guarantee you I will perform better through the day + I wont be as fat
Pvapour said:
goldblum said:
Pvapour said:
are you saying it makes no difference what form (carbs, protein, fat) your calories are ingested from? or what time of day they are taken?
No.The body needs proteins,carbs etc for different reasons.If you take in a given number of cals,whether it's 3 meals throughout the day (say 2,500 cals)or one huge evening meal,say pizza,chips,beer,dessert (2,500 cals)
then all the body deals with is the energy from those cals - not what time you took them in.
There is an argument that posits that if you're eating small amounts regularly you're 'firing' up your metabolism and hence burning even more calories but this
ignores the fact your metabolism has more work to do than simply digesting the food in your stomach.Anyway the difference in cals burnt by the metabolism between
3 or 5 meals a day would not be worth calculating.
Your body changes through the day & scientific studies have proven that certain foods are better absorbed & used by the body at certain times of the day.
5 meals a day works much better when linked to protein with every meal, due to the sustained thermogenic digestion properties created by eating protein thus increasing metabolic rate further for longer.
if you consider the protein needs for maintaining / building muscle then 3 meals a day are vastly inferior as you cannot get the required protein into your muscles when only divided by 3 meals, you could eat enough, for arguments sake lets say 180g, but your body would not be able to synthasise 60 odd grammes of protein in one sitting.
divided your 180g of protein by 5 & you come close to the bodies max absorption capability of about 30g + you get the added advantage of no big ups & downs of energy through the insulin spikes & as I have mentioned, the side effects of insulin spikes.
you: eat your 2500kcal 1 meal Pizza
I'll have the same pizza pulled apart & divided into 5 & spread through the day, I guarantee you I will perform better through the day + I wont be as fat
I've read this thread with interest and I certainly won't comment on stuff regarding your diet as there seems to be quite a few intelligent comments coming through. I am however interested in the cardiovascular side of your regime. Your brisk one hour walk around the park I'm guessing will probably bring a calorie burn of roughly 350 cals tops. Is there a reason why you cannot intensify this effort to maybe a jog with a few sprints introduced, thus upping your calorie burn and maybe even spiking your metabolism as well?
mcelliott said:
I've read this thread with interest and I certainly won't comment on stuff regarding your diet as there seems to be quite a few intelligent comments coming through. I am however interested in the cardiovascular side of your regime. Your brisk one hour walk around the park I'm guessing will probably bring a calorie burn of roughly 350 cals tops. Is there a reason why you cannot intensify this effort to maybe a jog with a few sprints introduced, thus upping your calorie burn and maybe even spiking your metabolism as well?
Or change the route to something more hilly?When I walk on the treadmill for 45 minutes at 4mph (3miles in total), with a 13% incline, I apparantly burn 650 calories.
I take that figure with a pinch of salt, but the effort required to walk at that incline is a lot more than walking on a couple % incline.
uk_vette said:
Hello all, and firstly thank you to evey one.
Clearly there are many intelligent people out there, all who are far more intelligent than me.
Some of the stuff you guys talk about is so way above me.
I have picked a "Low Carb" diet, as many things I have read, suggests that going for protien rich foods, will give more assistance to losing weight.
I have deliberatly tried to prevent myself from eating carbs. Difficult to do in practice, because so many foods caontain carbs.
I have therfore, looked at what was my biggest carb. foods, and threw them out of my intake.
Things like Rice, potatoes, pastries, bread, cookies etc.
I was understanding that if I could seriously reduce my carb. intake, then I would feel more tired, (as the carbs. generally give energy) and as such, my body would start to burn the stored carbs, as fat, around my stomach, waist and back.
I can "pinch a serious inch" as the saying used to go.
I am still losing, and still below the target blue line.
I have added another column, headed "LOST"
vette
Well done Vette!! The wife convinced me into going out for a Indian last night and after 3 weeks straight of very low carbs and calories I felt it was deserved! I was surprised at how little I could eat, but still enjoyed the meal. Back on the wagon again today though!Clearly there are many intelligent people out there, all who are far more intelligent than me.
Some of the stuff you guys talk about is so way above me.
I have picked a "Low Carb" diet, as many things I have read, suggests that going for protien rich foods, will give more assistance to losing weight.
I have deliberatly tried to prevent myself from eating carbs. Difficult to do in practice, because so many foods caontain carbs.
I have therfore, looked at what was my biggest carb. foods, and threw them out of my intake.
Things like Rice, potatoes, pastries, bread, cookies etc.
I was understanding that if I could seriously reduce my carb. intake, then I would feel more tired, (as the carbs. generally give energy) and as such, my body would start to burn the stored carbs, as fat, around my stomach, waist and back.
I can "pinch a serious inch" as the saying used to go.
I am still losing, and still below the target blue line.
I have added another column, headed "LOST"
vette
uk_vette said:
Last night was a good portion of healthy chicken meal, very ligtly fried in olive oil,and an even bigger plate of lettuce, carrot, onion, tomatoes etc.
I'm sure you know full well, but be careful with quantities of fats and oils - it's very easy to splosh more calories than you meant to. The emulsified oil sprays are very handy for dispensing metered quantities of oil. Slagathore said:
mcelliott said:
I've read this thread with interest and I certainly won't comment on stuff regarding your diet as there seems to be quite a few intelligent comments coming through. I am however interested in the cardiovascular side of your regime. Your brisk one hour walk around the park I'm guessing will probably bring a calorie burn of roughly 350 cals tops. Is there a reason why you cannot intensify this effort to maybe a jog with a few sprints introduced, thus upping your calorie burn and maybe even spiking your metabolism as well?
Or change the route to something more hilly?When I walk on the treadmill for 45 minutes at 4mph (3miles in total), with a 13% incline, I apparantly burn 650 calories.
I take that figure with a pinch of salt, but the effort required to walk at that incline is a lot more than walking on a couple % incline.
Hi Slagathore,
Thanks firstly for your suggestion.
It sounds like my 1 hour brisk walk in the morning may be more than the 350 calories burnt, as suggested earlier.
perhaps not as much as the full 650 that you are doing.
However i would like to think the effort I do in the morning burns off about 450 cal, and same in the late afternoon.
I hope totally it would be 800 cal, anyway.
On my full four laps of the park, I have recently, as you of previous poster suggested, started to do a bit of a jog.
I can't jog the full hour, as the back of my legs, down by my heals get sore, from carrying all my weight.
What I have resorted doing is jogging for say 200 to 250 meters, well, untill I get tired.
Then continue walking briskly, really quite breathless for a minute or two.
Then after I have recovered my strength, turn the brisk walk into another jog, again for 200 meters,.
I guess by the time I have done the four laps of the park, that I may have done just 3 laps at a brisk walk, and 1 lap jogging.
However, it has been a very intermittant jog, and the "1 lap" probably consisted of 8 pieces of jogging.
A couple of years ago, when I was up around the 107kg mark, while out jogging round the local field, I did get some serious pain just above my ankles. Lower calf.
This stopped be for about a month, as they were quite tender, and I really don't want that again.
Thanks to all,
Vette
uk_vette said:
.
Hi Slagathore,
Thanks firstly for your suggestion.
It sounds like my 1 hour brisk walk in the morning may be more than the 350 calories burnt, as suggested earlier.
perhaps not as much as the full 650 that you are doing.
However i would like to think the effort I do in the morning burns off about 450 cal, and same in the late afternoon.
I hope totally it would be 800 cal, anyway.
On my full four laps of the park, I have recently, as you of previous poster suggested, started to do a bit of a jog.
I can't jog the full hour, as the back of my legs, down by my heals get sore, from carrying all my weight.
What I have resorted doing is jogging for say 200 to 250 meters, well, untill I get tired.
Then continue walking briskly, really quite breathless for a minute or two.
Then after I have recovered my strength, turn the brisk walk into another jog, again for 200 meters,.
I guess by the time I have done the four laps of the park, that I may have done just 3 laps at a brisk walk, and 1 lap jogging.
However, it has been a very intermittant jog, and the "1 lap" probably consisted of 8 pieces of jogging.
A couple of years ago, when I was up around the 107kg mark, while out jogging round the local field, I did get some serious pain just above my ankles. Lower calf.
This stopped be for about a month, as they were quite tender, and I really don't want that again.
Thanks to all,
Vette
This is going to sound awful and I'm not tyring to make you feel worse or deflate you from your efforts (as you're making really good progress) but I would be very careful associating the exercise you do with that amount of calorie loss.Hi Slagathore,
Thanks firstly for your suggestion.
It sounds like my 1 hour brisk walk in the morning may be more than the 350 calories burnt, as suggested earlier.
perhaps not as much as the full 650 that you are doing.
However i would like to think the effort I do in the morning burns off about 450 cal, and same in the late afternoon.
I hope totally it would be 800 cal, anyway.
On my full four laps of the park, I have recently, as you of previous poster suggested, started to do a bit of a jog.
I can't jog the full hour, as the back of my legs, down by my heals get sore, from carrying all my weight.
What I have resorted doing is jogging for say 200 to 250 meters, well, untill I get tired.
Then continue walking briskly, really quite breathless for a minute or two.
Then after I have recovered my strength, turn the brisk walk into another jog, again for 200 meters,.
I guess by the time I have done the four laps of the park, that I may have done just 3 laps at a brisk walk, and 1 lap jogging.
However, it has been a very intermittant jog, and the "1 lap" probably consisted of 8 pieces of jogging.
A couple of years ago, when I was up around the 107kg mark, while out jogging round the local field, I did get some serious pain just above my ankles. Lower calf.
This stopped be for about a month, as they were quite tender, and I really don't want that again.
Thanks to all,
Vette
I read this article some time ago and tend to agree with the content and other advice on his website:
http://www.ultimate-exercise.com/fat.html
I think we tend to detach ourselves from logic a lot of the time when it comes to exercise as we all too readily believe what we're told by machines etc. That's not a criticism of you personally but us as a nation in general.
If you think about it logically 800cals represents about a third of your entire daily calorie requirement that you need to stay alive. This is what we're associating with just 2 hours of low level physical labour (relative to running about for two hours for instance).
I think it is insane to suggest that only 2 hours can deplete our daily energy stores by a third. It just is not feasible as people in Africa would be dying off at the rate of knotts just walking 2 hours to collect enough water for the day.
In truth I don't know how many calories exercise burns but for me I don't associate exercise with any calorie deficit. As soon as you do this (and just enjoy exercise as a lifestyle choice) the sooner you will look towards sustainable nutrition as the true means to fat loss.
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