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Super Slo Mo said:
I agree, and it illustrates just how powerful the mind can be, both in a good or a bad way.
Totally agree . Unless you have ever been down this road you can’t understand .
I can go from the weakest person to the strongest within 24hrs .
Weirdly I got trolled by someone called ‘laurasothethalf’ recently on here after I’d posted a totally innocent post about over priced cars .
He thought it was big and clever to read though my posts and then attack me for posting about depression and mental illness obviously in the hope it would affect me further.
Clearly shows how some people bully others in the hope it will screw with their minds which may, in some cases, be the cause of the illness .
Sad, sad individual . It’s all good as a mutual friend will will introduce us at some point VERY Soon .
Beware of his trolling
How odd, I can’t understand why someone would do that, unless they have massive, unresolved insecurity issues of their own.
But then I do think that some people get a perverse kick out of seeing others fail. Even just in work type scenarios, it’s as though they are jealous about other’s succes and gloat when people fail.
But then I do think that some people get a perverse kick out of seeing others fail. Even just in work type scenarios, it’s as though they are jealous about other’s succes and gloat when people fail.
Super Slo Mo said:
How odd, I can’t understand why someone would do that, unless they have massive, unresolved insecurity issues of their own.
But then I do think that some people get a perverse kick out of seeing others fail. Even just in work type scenarios, it’s as though they are jealous about other’s succes and gloat when people fail.
Yes jealousy is at the root of a lot of such stuff.But then I do think that some people get a perverse kick out of seeing others fail. Even just in work type scenarios, it’s as though they are jealous about other’s succes and gloat when people fail.
I have come to the conclusion that there's a lot of such people about. I try very hard to ignore them, but of course it's difficult.
FocusRS3 said:
Totally agree .
Unless you have ever been down this road you can’t understand .
I can go from the weakest person to the strongest within 24hrs .
Weirdly I got trolled by someone called ‘laurasothethalf’ recently on here after I’d posted a totally innocent post about over priced cars .
He thought it was big and clever to read though my posts and then attack me for posting about depression and mental illness obviously in the hope it would affect me further.
Clearly shows how some people bully others in the hope it will screw with their minds which may, in some cases, be the cause of the illness .
Sad, sad individual . It’s all good as a mutual friend will will introduce us at some point VERY Soon .
Beware of his trolling
Please try to ignore such complete and utter tossers.Unless you have ever been down this road you can’t understand .
I can go from the weakest person to the strongest within 24hrs .
Weirdly I got trolled by someone called ‘laurasothethalf’ recently on here after I’d posted a totally innocent post about over priced cars .
He thought it was big and clever to read though my posts and then attack me for posting about depression and mental illness obviously in the hope it would affect me further.
Clearly shows how some people bully others in the hope it will screw with their minds which may, in some cases, be the cause of the illness .
Sad, sad individual . It’s all good as a mutual friend will will introduce us at some point VERY Soon .
Beware of his trolling
I feel extremely strongly about these matters.
FocusRS3 said:
Totally agree .
Unless you have ever been down this road you can’t understand .
I can go from the weakest person to the strongest within 24hrs .
Weirdly I got trolled by someone called ‘laurasothethalf’ recently on here after I’d posted a totally innocent post about over priced cars .
He thought it was big and clever to read though my posts and then attack me for posting about depression and mental illness obviously in the hope it would affect me further.
Clearly shows how some people bully others in the hope it will screw with their minds which may, in some cases, be the cause of the illness .
Sad, sad individual . It’s all good as a mutual friend will will introduce us at some point VERY Soon .
Beware of his trolling
Oh so you have met "laurasothethalf’Unless you have ever been down this road you can’t understand .
I can go from the weakest person to the strongest within 24hrs .
Weirdly I got trolled by someone called ‘laurasothethalf’ recently on here after I’d posted a totally innocent post about over priced cars .
He thought it was big and clever to read though my posts and then attack me for posting about depression and mental illness obviously in the hope it would affect me further.
Clearly shows how some people bully others in the hope it will screw with their minds which may, in some cases, be the cause of the illness .
Sad, sad individual . It’s all good as a mutual friend will will introduce us at some point VERY Soon .
Beware of his trolling
Yes seems to enjoy trying to belittle others on a number of different forums and will try and involve the terms "clearly got a screw loose" etc.
As you say he obviously looks back the posts you have personally made.
It's always the same with these people. Attack you when your down.
Hopefully your mutual friend will supply him in the near future. I bet without a keyboard he would not be so brave.
zarjaz1991 said:
What's the problem with placebos anyway?
If you have a pain somewhere, and someone gives you a tablet to take, and the pain goes away, then so what if the 'tablet' was actually a Smartie?
If it works, it works.
Yes I agree, that's why I mentioned my friend who doubles his dose. I should have followed it up with 'But It makes him feel better' even though he knows it doesn't work like that.If you have a pain somewhere, and someone gives you a tablet to take, and the pain goes away, then so what if the 'tablet' was actually a Smartie?
If it works, it works.
I'm just against ignoring professional advice and using hocus pocus instead. I'd use the GPs advice first, see how it goes and take it from there. I did once specifically ask him about cutting pills in half and he said not and to use the every other day method. I chose my moment, gritted my teeth and got on with it, If you apply fact to what you're going through I find it helps.
ELUSIVEJIM said:
Oh so you have met "laurasothethalf’
Yes seems to enjoy trying to belittle others on a number of different forums and will try and involve the terms "clearly got a screw loose" etc.
As you say he obviously looks back the posts you have personally made.
It's always the same with these people. Attack you when your down.
Hopefully your mutual friend will supply him in the near future. I bet without a keyboard he would not be so brave.
I don’t troll peoples posts although I did look through his when he attached me . Yes seems to enjoy trying to belittle others on a number of different forums and will try and involve the terms "clearly got a screw loose" etc.
As you say he obviously looks back the posts you have personally made.
It's always the same with these people. Attack you when your down.
Hopefully your mutual friend will supply him in the near future. I bet without a keyboard he would not be so brave.
As you say a regular abuser.
His post was removed by the mods but clearly he’s using the term ‘screw loose’ on a regular bases to attack others .
Sad little man......
ELUSIVEJIM said:
RTB said:
Bipman, sorry to hear you're having a tough time. You're not going to get any magical advise on an internet forum that will make how you feel go away. But I can think of a few things you can do to start moving towards a healthier state of mind. It might be of no use at all, but over the last 12 months a few little realisations and tricks to manage your mind have certainly helped me.
1) Book an appointment with you GP, explain your situation and the way you're feeling about it. I'm not saying that you need pharmaceutical intervention but if it helps writing it out on an internet forum it will help even more sat opposite someone who wants to help you.
2) Realise that the circumstances of your life aren't making you feel like this, but rather your reaction to them. A lot of the events you talk about are either outside of your control or you have limited control over. Those things that you don't have any control over you can let go of. Those you have some influence over you can focus on a bit more but remember that the ultimate outcome for most things isn't up to you e.g. you can't make people love you, you can only make yourself lovable, if you see what i mean. 95% of the things we fret about are pointless, it's like worrying about an asteroid hitting the Earth! Be a little more fatalistic (still care about things, but realise that you can only do what you can do).
3) Don't worry about what other people have or haven't got. If you were earning 30k a year you'd be looking at people your age earning 50k, if you earned 50k you'd be looking at people earning 100k. Having no money is pretty miserable, but rather than looking at the glass being half empty imagine what life would be like without a glass at all
Which leads me to my next point.
4) All the things we have (including the people we love) are on loan from the Universe, we'll have to give them back eventually. Remember that one day you'll have to say goodbye to your kids, your house and all the other things people and relationships that you treasure(either by physical separation or death). So think about how valuable those things and people are and appreciate them right now. I used to trudge off to work with barely a wave to my wife and kids in the morning. I then realised that one day I'll say goodbye to them for the last time, so it's probably best to make the goodbyes every morning count Same with everything else in life. This morning it rained for the first time in ages, I stood outside in my pyjamas at 6am and let it soak me, for no other reason than I'd missed feeling the rain and one day I'll never get to feel the rain again. It was nice, which is enough.
5) Get a bit of exercise, you don't have to go mad and do an iron man by next spring, but just go out for a walk. All those debilitating diseases you fret about that your weight make more likely are outside of your control. The only thing that you can control are your actions, some of which may lower the chances of you getting some of these diseases. You don't have to starve yourself or run 10 miles every morning, just head in the right direction. Walk a mile today, walk a mile and a half tomorrow. Miss out the odd treat, not because you want to be on the next cover of Mens Health, but to prove to yourself that you can. Being a bit uncomfortable sometimes is good, it takes away the fear of discomfort and brings a bit of self discipline into your routine. You'll also feel better for it.
6) Don't be in a rush to feel better and don't worry if things don't improve every day. It's taken a while to reach this point it'll take a while to improve.
Not sure how useful these bits of advise are to you. If it reads like placatory bulls
t then I apologise. I was in a pretty bad place a couple of years ago and I've only really started to feel as though I'm in any way "happy" over the last 12 months or so. Whenever I start getting the old feelings back I try and tell myself that the world isn't going to rearrange itself to make me feel better, so it might be up to me to alter how I react to the world.
Good luck with it all.
Just wanted to say I think this is brilliant advice.1) Book an appointment with you GP, explain your situation and the way you're feeling about it. I'm not saying that you need pharmaceutical intervention but if it helps writing it out on an internet forum it will help even more sat opposite someone who wants to help you.
2) Realise that the circumstances of your life aren't making you feel like this, but rather your reaction to them. A lot of the events you talk about are either outside of your control or you have limited control over. Those things that you don't have any control over you can let go of. Those you have some influence over you can focus on a bit more but remember that the ultimate outcome for most things isn't up to you e.g. you can't make people love you, you can only make yourself lovable, if you see what i mean. 95% of the things we fret about are pointless, it's like worrying about an asteroid hitting the Earth! Be a little more fatalistic (still care about things, but realise that you can only do what you can do).
3) Don't worry about what other people have or haven't got. If you were earning 30k a year you'd be looking at people your age earning 50k, if you earned 50k you'd be looking at people earning 100k. Having no money is pretty miserable, but rather than looking at the glass being half empty imagine what life would be like without a glass at all
Which leads me to my next point.4) All the things we have (including the people we love) are on loan from the Universe, we'll have to give them back eventually. Remember that one day you'll have to say goodbye to your kids, your house and all the other things people and relationships that you treasure(either by physical separation or death). So think about how valuable those things and people are and appreciate them right now. I used to trudge off to work with barely a wave to my wife and kids in the morning. I then realised that one day I'll say goodbye to them for the last time, so it's probably best to make the goodbyes every morning count
Same with everything else in life. This morning it rained for the first time in ages, I stood outside in my pyjamas at 6am and let it soak me, for no other reason than I'd missed feeling the rain and one day I'll never get to feel the rain again. It was nice, which is enough.5) Get a bit of exercise, you don't have to go mad and do an iron man by next spring, but just go out for a walk. All those debilitating diseases you fret about that your weight make more likely are outside of your control. The only thing that you can control are your actions, some of which may lower the chances of you getting some of these diseases. You don't have to starve yourself or run 10 miles every morning, just head in the right direction. Walk a mile today, walk a mile and a half tomorrow. Miss out the odd treat, not because you want to be on the next cover of Mens Health, but to prove to yourself that you can. Being a bit uncomfortable sometimes is good, it takes away the fear of discomfort and brings a bit of self discipline into your routine. You'll also feel better for it.
6) Don't be in a rush to feel better and don't worry if things don't improve every day. It's taken a while to reach this point it'll take a while to improve.
Not sure how useful these bits of advise are to you. If it reads like placatory bulls
t then I apologise. I was in a pretty bad place a couple of years ago and I've only really started to feel as though I'm in any way "happy" over the last 12 months or so. Whenever I start getting the old feelings back I try and tell myself that the world isn't going to rearrange itself to make me feel better, so it might be up to me to alter how I react to the world. Good luck with it all.
FocusRS3 said:
ELUSIVEJIM said:
Oh so you have met "laurasothethalf’
Yes seems to enjoy trying to belittle others on a number of different forums and will try and involve the terms "clearly got a screw loose" etc.
As you say he obviously looks back the posts you have personally made.
It's always the same with these people. Attack you when your down.
Hopefully your mutual friend will supply him in the near future. I bet without a keyboard he would not be so brave.
I don’t troll peoples posts although I did look through his when he attached me . Yes seems to enjoy trying to belittle others on a number of different forums and will try and involve the terms "clearly got a screw loose" etc.
As you say he obviously looks back the posts you have personally made.
It's always the same with these people. Attack you when your down.
Hopefully your mutual friend will supply him in the near future. I bet without a keyboard he would not be so brave.
As you say a regular abuser.
His post was removed by the mods but clearly he’s using the term ‘screw loose’ on a regular bases to attack others .
Sad little man......
There are still a few good bits on PH, this is one of them.
227bhp said:
Yes I agree, that's why I mentioned my friend who doubles his dose. I should have followed it up with 'But It makes him feel better' even though he knows it doesn't work like that.
I'm just against ignoring professional advice and using hocus pocus instead. I'd use the GPs advice first, see how it goes and take it from there. I did once specifically ask him about cutting pills in half and he said not and to use the every other day method. I chose my moment, gritted my teeth and got on with it, If you apply fact to what you're going through I find it helps.
Stating something is "hocus pocus" really is offensive.I'm just against ignoring professional advice and using hocus pocus instead. I'd use the GPs advice first, see how it goes and take it from there. I did once specifically ask him about cutting pills in half and he said not and to use the every other day method. I chose my moment, gritted my teeth and got on with it, If you apply fact to what you're going through I find it helps.
You need to stop pigeonholing people in what you think is the right way.
A lot depends on what type of antidepressant, time scale of use and dose.
There are no hard and fast rules for getting off antidepressants, other than that the approach should be individualized. Some people can taper off an antidepressant in a matter of weeks, while others may take months depending on length of use.
V6 Pushfit said:
Yes very good advice. Also add cut down on or remove alcohol - it’s the elephant in the room in many depressive episodes let alone the reaction with the meds.
Yes you can see why people do turn to alcohol.But the negatives are far worse than the positives as you know.
ELUSIVEJIM said:
V6 Pushfit said:
Yes very good advice. Also add cut down on or remove alcohol - it’s the elephant in the room in many depressive episodes let alone the reaction with the meds.
Yes you can see why people do turn to alcohol.But the negatives are far worse than the positives as you know.
It took me a long time to get over alcohol I have to admit. Initially I suffered with social anxiety in a reasonably strong way, plus a few other psychological effects, all of which in hindsight I think can be put down to the withdrawal effects of giving up the booze.
Now I am through the other side though I have no regrets.
It is slightly amusing/sad in equal measure though to watch friends and colleagues be all consumed by the desire to have a drink. It is a vastly more powerful drug than many people are willing to admit.
Super Slo Mo said:
ELUSIVEJIM said:
V6 Pushfit said:
Yes very good advice. Also add cut down on or remove alcohol - it’s the elephant in the room in many depressive episodes let alone the reaction with the meds.
Yes you can see why people do turn to alcohol.But the negatives are far worse than the positives as you know.
It took me a long time to get over alcohol I have to admit. Initially I suffered with social anxiety in a reasonably strong way, plus a few other psychological effects, all of which in hindsight I think can be put down to the withdrawal effects of giving up the booze.
Now I am through the other side though I have no regrets.
It is slightly amusing/sad in equal measure though to watch friends and colleagues be all consumed by the desire to have a drink. It is a vastly more powerful drug than many people are willing to admit.
Super Slo Mo said:
I gave up alcohol 4.5 years ago, well, I mostly gave it up. I settled on a single drink once every 4-6 weeks. I’ve stopped completely now as I was getting a hangover on a single measure of whisky!
It took me a long time to get over alcohol I have to admit. Initially I suffered with social anxiety in a reasonably strong way, plus a few other psychological effects, all of which in hindsight I think can be put down to the withdrawal effects of giving up the booze.
Now I am through the other side though I have no regrets.
It is slightly amusing/sad in equal measure though to watch friends and colleagues be all consumed by the desire to have a drink. It is a vastly more powerful drug than many people are willing to admit.
Well done mate. That is impressive especially when you had to go through the social anxiety. That can be pure hell. It took me a long time to get over alcohol I have to admit. Initially I suffered with social anxiety in a reasonably strong way, plus a few other psychological effects, all of which in hindsight I think can be put down to the withdrawal effects of giving up the booze.
Now I am through the other side though I have no regrets.
It is slightly amusing/sad in equal measure though to watch friends and colleagues be all consumed by the desire to have a drink. It is a vastly more powerful drug than many people are willing to admit.
It is easy to rely on the drink when out socialising. Done it myself many times but it wasn't a good mix with the antidepressants.
A night of relief landed up with a day of hell.
As you say it is very powerful and you can see why someone would self medicate themselves by drinking thinking it's a way to cope.
V6 Pushfit said:
It’s like all drugs - great if you’ve got the metabolism and head to take it. It’s often the one thing that’s missed at the docs but the thing that exacerbates the ups and downs. IMO it’s the first thing to tackle if in a depressive state so as to establish the true natural base line and go from there.
Exactly. Wise words.ELUSIVEJIM said:
227bhp said:
Yes I agree, that's why I mentioned my friend who doubles his dose. I should have followed it up with 'But It makes him feel better' even though he knows it doesn't work like that.
I'm just against ignoring professional advice and using hocus pocus instead. I'd use the GPs advice first, see how it goes and take it from there. I did once specifically ask him about cutting pills in half and he said not and to use the every other day method. I chose my moment, gritted my teeth and got on with it, If you apply fact to what you're going through I find it helps.
Stating something is "hocus pocus" really is offensive.I'm just against ignoring professional advice and using hocus pocus instead. I'd use the GPs advice first, see how it goes and take it from there. I did once specifically ask him about cutting pills in half and he said not and to use the every other day method. I chose my moment, gritted my teeth and got on with it, If you apply fact to what you're going through I find it helps.
You need to stop pigeonholing people in what you think is the right way.
A lot depends on what type of antidepressant, time scale of use and dose.
There are no hard and fast rules for getting off antidepressants, other than that the approach should be individualized. Some people can taper off an antidepressant in a matter of weeks, while others may take months depending on length of use.
I'm not 'pigeonholing' anyone.
227bhp said:
Hmm, yet you've deleted the post I objected to where you were preaching
I'm not 'pigeonholing' anyone.
It's called keeping the peace.I'm not 'pigeonholing' anyone.
The last thing people want on this type of forum is two people arguing.
I stated what I did after having a terrible time trying to come off the Effexor antidepressants when missing a day.
So I landed back at the doctors and put on a higher dose.
Changed my GP and showed them the information about Effexor and tapering and she agreed.
So this is what got me off the tablets.
Perhaps it's Effexor that is the issue
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Effexor is well-known to have a withdrawal syndrome, and in certain people, a gradual tapering off of their dosage is not effective in preventing this. Within a matter of hours of missing a dose, some people begin to experience symptoms.
Full article here
https://www.verywellmind.com/brain-shivers-as-effe...
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