Depression

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oldbanger

4,316 posts

238 months

Tuesday 28th August 2018
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wiliferus said:
Sorry for being a drain last night. Was just a low moment. Onwards!
We’re here anyway. That’s what this thread is for, without exceptions.

oldbanger

4,316 posts

238 months

Tuesday 28th August 2018
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ELUSIVEJIM said:
4-5 years is a good length of time to pass. Well done again.

Considering what you have been going through recently it just shows how well you are doing.

Anyone in the above situations would find it hard even if they have never suffered from depression.

I think we are all very good at perhaps being too hard on ourselves expecting not to have a blip.

The fact your not on medication is a huge step which can't be underestimated smile
I think sometimes I forget how much ground I have covered. Or when I do look back, I regret having not got my st together a lot sooner. But, hey. I haven't got a time machine. A couple of other friends and family members didn’t make it at all.

Thanks for posting. I appreciate it. I can’t say this stuff in ‘real life’ - it isn’t heard when I do anyway, because I tend to be the one who the rest of the family look to for help. If I need help I have to apply for counselling through my employer’s employee assistance program. I am very grateful that ir’s there, I tell you!



oldbanger

4,316 posts

238 months

Tuesday 28th August 2018
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ED209 said:
I have eventually managed to get a doctors appointment to discuss my issues, its not for 2 weeks but I suppose its a starting point.

Over the last month or so I feel that theres a massive dark cloud following me around everywhere, I have no time for anyone and just want to be on my own all of the time. I know its affecting my relationship with my wife. I also think about hurting myself many times every day, don't get me wrong I don't have any intention of actually doing it but in strange situations I keep thinking of it. For example walking home the other night a lorry drove past me, I immediately thought about what it would be like to jump in front of it.

Its odd because I have no real worries with family issues, no finical issues, no other health issues. Work is very very stressful though, not enough staff to cover the work and I think I am feeling the pressure of trying to look after my over pressured staff all of the time. Unless I leave my job this situation isn't likely to change in the next few years. The only solutions i can think of are to either leave or to stop caring and if people like me stop caring then all of us might as well pack up and go home.

Took a lieu day at work today because I can't face another day of pressue and tiredness. Used it to my advantage and had a 10.5 hour sleep which is unheard off for me.

Hopefully I will feel better by then though.
Intrusive thoughts of the kind you’ve described are fairly common unfortunately, in depression, anxiety, ptsd and ocd.

Mindfulness can help in the medium to long term (from personal experience). Hopefully the doc will also offer some avenues to try (meds, talking therapy etc)

And work is such a huge part of our lives. It takes up around a third of our time, our financial survival often depends on being paid a wage and it’s also often an intrinsic part of our identities, of our sense of self. Work stress can have a massive influence on our overall well-being.



FocusRS3

3,411 posts

91 months

Wednesday 29th August 2018
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ED209 said:
I have eventually managed to get a doctors appointment to discuss my issues, its not for 2 weeks but I suppose its a starting point.

Over the last month or so I feel that theres a massive dark cloud following me around everywhere, I have no time for anyone and just want to be on my own all of the time. I know its affecting my relationship with my wife. I also think about hurting myself many times every day, don't get me wrong I don't have any intention of actually doing it but in strange situations I keep thinking of it. For example walking home the other night a lorry drove past me, I immediately thought about what it would be like to jump in front of it.

Its odd because I have no real worries with family issues, no finical issues, no other health issues. Work is very very stressful though, not enough staff to cover the work and I think I am feeling the pressure of trying to look after my over pressured staff all of the time. Unless I leave my job this situation isn't likely to change in the next few years. The only solutions i can think of are to either leave or to stop caring and if people like me stop caring then all of us might as well pack up and go home.

Took a lieu day at work today because I can't face another day of pressue and tiredness. Used it to my advantage and had a 10.5 hour sleep which is unheard off for me.

Hopefully I will feel better by then though.
I’m sure many on here can relate entirely to this post .

Wanting to just get away and not talk to people other than your direct family can be the norm.
I know what you mean by almost suicidal thoughts too. I used to say that anyone that commits suicide wasn’t thinking of the people they left behind but now I stop and think how low that person must have been to have done it.
So it’s become a different mindset for me .

Very few people ever ask how you are doing as depression isn’t something they can see, like a broken arm for example and they don’t understand it plus they are so wrapped up in their own lives , which I get as that used to be me .

I have found an escape most weekends which brings me great relief but then a huge comedown on Monday mornings .
The weekend is the escapism part but the Monday is the ‘back to reality’ bit .
I have a plan that’s starting to take shape pls feel free to PM me as I think what you’re going through is similar to what I’ve experienced .

ED209

5,746 posts

244 months

Wednesday 29th August 2018
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FocusRS3 said:
I’m sure many on here can relate entirely to this post .

Wanting to just get away and not talk to people other than your direct family can be the norm.
I know what you mean by almost suicidal thoughts too. I used to say that anyone that commits suicide wasn’t thinking of the people they left behind but now I stop and think how low that person must have been to have done it.
So it’s become a different mindset for me .

Very few people ever ask how you are doing as depression isn’t something they can see, like a broken arm for example and they don’t understand it plus they are so wrapped up in their own lives , which I get as that used to be me .

I have found an escape most weekends which brings me great relief but then a huge comedown on Monday mornings .
The weekend is the escapism part but the Monday is the ‘back to reality’ bit .
I have a plan that’s starting to take shape pls feel free to PM me as I think what you’re going through is similar to what I’ve experienced .
Cheers, I have been in a dark place before around 15 or so years ago and self harmed back then. I know from that experience that I will never do that again if only for the upset it causes my parents and family.

I sat down yesterday and told my parents how I have been feeling, I wasn't even sure if that was the right thing to do because i knew it would really upset them. It did. The wife is aware but she never seems to want to raise the issues.

I don't really want to bother anyone else with my problems but I realise that I need to.

Another symptom I have been feeling for a while is a sort of social anxiety, for example on Sunday I was sort of forced by the wife to go to a social gathering I didn't really want to go to. Loads of people there who are friends however I found myself sat in the corner just feeling like I wasn't actually there and that the world was spinning around me. Its a strange sensation.

Another crazy part of it is that as part of my job I often find myself standing in the middle of bridges talking to people who are on the wrong side of the railings threatening to jump. None of them ever actually have but I often think to myself "mate I am more likely to jump off there than you with how I am feeling". It shouldn't be like that!

It also takes nothing to set me away crying. Last night I was sat alone watching TV and whilst watching the documentary about the RNLI i found myself filling up. No obvious reason, I just put it down to me being soft?

I only wish I knew why I felt like this, I have a good (but very stressful job), a nice house, live comfortably, no financial worries at all, no physical health worries and a wife that loves me. I should be perfectly happy and content.

I have started to blame shift work and lack of sleep. I have worked shifts for about 19 of the last 21 years. Nightshifts weren't a problem when I was in my 20's, I had no trouble sleeping for 6-8 hours after a night shift. Now I struggle to get 3 hours and every set of night shifts it seems to get worse. Probably because I travel home from work stressing about not getting enough sleep! I have no trouble getting to sleep but staying asleep is a huge problem. The lack of sleep has a huge impact on my mood.

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 29th August 2018
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ED209 said:
Cheers, I have been in a dark place before around 15 or so years ago and self harmed back then. I know from that experience that I will never do that again if only for the upset it causes my parents and family.

I sat down yesterday and told my parents how I have been feeling, I wasn't even sure if that was the right thing to do because i knew it would really upset them. It did. The wife is aware but she never seems to want to raise the issues.

I don't really want to bother anyone else with my problems but I realise that I need to.

Another symptom I have been feeling for a while is a sort of social anxiety, for example on Sunday I was sort of forced by the wife to go to a social gathering I didn't really want to go to. Loads of people there who are friends however I found myself sat in the corner just feeling like I wasn't actually there and that the world was spinning around me. Its a strange sensation.

Another crazy part of it is that as part of my job I often find myself standing in the middle of bridges talking to people who are on the wrong side of the railings threatening to jump. None of them ever actually have but I often think to myself "mate I am more likely to jump off there than you with how I am feeling". It shouldn't be like that!

It also takes nothing to set me away crying. Last night I was sat alone watching TV and whilst watching the documentary about the RNLI i found myself filling up. No obvious reason, I just put it down to me being soft?

I only wish I knew why I felt like this, I have a good (but very stressful job), a nice house, live comfortably, no financial worries at all, no physical health worries and a wife that loves me. I should be perfectly happy and content.

I have started to blame shift work and lack of sleep. I have worked shifts for about 19 of the last 21 years. Nightshifts weren't a problem when I was in my 20's, I had no trouble sleeping for 6-8 hours after a night shift. Now I struggle to get 3 hours and every set of night shifts it seems to get worse. Probably because I travel home from work stressing about not getting enough sleep! I have no trouble getting to sleep but staying asleep is a huge problem. The lack of sleep has a huge impact on my mood.
It was a big step sitting down with your parents and talking. Yes it was upsetting and no doubt they will be concerned about you but the fact you reached out is a massive step.

Your wife is aware but I would imagine she just feel it too be a difficult subject to approach. This is how many people feel. Perhaps if you were to start the conversation it would make things easier for you both if you feel you needed to talk.

Don't worry about getting upset. You may think it's soft but it is a natural way of the body releasing stress so it's actually a very good thing. I was personally on antidepressants for 22 years and had no emotions. Since being off them even a chick flick gets me going. Ok, that is perhaps a slight exaggeration. biggrin

I would not think too much about personal circumstances and be feeling you should not feel this way because you have a comfortable life. I know many people who are extremely well off yet are completely miserable.

But not getting enough sleep is a killer. Makes everything so much worse.

You can get tablets from the doctor to help with this but maybe a product like Kalms from the chemist which are supposed to be natural might be worth a purchase. Obviously, in your circumstance doing shift work makes trying to get the sleeping pattern back on track harder.

Hope you start to feel better soon mate but if not you know where we are. smile

ED209

5,746 posts

244 months

Saturday 1st September 2018
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Back on nights last night, managed 3 hours sleep. Here we go again!
Its turning into a vicious circle, I'm stressing about not sleeping so I am sleeping less and less which in turn makes me more stressed/fed up.

oldbanger

4,316 posts

238 months

Saturday 1st September 2018
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Shift work can aggravate depression. Is there any possibility of moving to a day job at some point?


https://sleepfoundation.org/shift-work/content/liv...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC54995...

I personally suffered from terrible insomnia through childhoood right into my early 30s. High dose vitamin D3 and daylight lamps helped me massively, and definitely have improved my overall moods.

ED209

5,746 posts

244 months

Saturday 1st September 2018
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oldbanger said:
Shift work can aggravate depression. Is there any possibility of moving to a day job at some point?


https://sleepfoundation.org/shift-work/content/liv...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC54995...

I personally suffered from terrible insomnia through childhoood right into my early 30s. High dose vitamin D3 and daylight lamps helped me massively, and definitely have improved my overall moods.
Yes there are some day jobs in different roles however the nature of my work dictates that a lot are 24/7 roles.

Im in a difficult position at the moment as I am waiting on a promotion when a vacancy comes up (every assessment passed) and I am reluctant to raise my head above the parapet and admit I am struggling because of this. My job makes a big thing of supporting people with mental health issues, its exponentially increasing after government cuts after all however I just don't think being honest will be good for my career.

Exactly a year ago I got kicked out of a role where I only worked between 7am and 1am due to the department being cut by about 60%. To be honest when i worked those shifts and slept better I was a completely different person.

spaximus

4,231 posts

253 months

Saturday 1st September 2018
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I suffered before and there was no reason anyone could understand, no trauma etc. Eventually I learned to deal with everything better but I was found to have a Thyroid problem and the endocrinologist was sure that as this controls so many hormones etc that this was a probable cause.

I had treatment and I have not had any issues since and that has been several years now through some pretty tough times as well. Not suggesting this is the same for other people but it appears it was for me.

Halb

53,012 posts

183 months

Saturday 1st September 2018
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Yeah, thyroid is of top importance. Diet is a large factor here; most westerners are iodine and magnesium deficient, which can cause issues.
adding a few things to your diet could help a lot.

RP64

76 posts

87 months

Sunday 9th September 2018
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Has anyone else suffered with ongoing depression which has maybe eased but never really gone away. When I was 19 at university I had crippling depression, really terrible and I couldn't think about much else. It had a real effect on every aspect of life and at the time I was on antidepressants and saw a talking therapist. After a couple of years things had mostly eased off so I stopped antidepressants and finished my degree. Years down the line I have a high paying job (but very stressful and time consuming). I'm still single but generally life is pretty good, I don't have any physical health problems, I'm able to take several foreign holidays a year and visit friends and family fairly often (although I do live in a different part of the country).
Nowadays I'm not so depressed I can't get on with life but it's always there. I'm always low level miserable and never quite satisfied. Do other people get this? People who've had depression and "gotten over" it, does it ever really go or like me is it just not as bad as it was?

Ruskie

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3,989 posts

200 months

Sunday 9th September 2018
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RP64 said:
Has anyone else suffered with ongoing depression which has maybe eased but never really gone away. When I was 19 at university I had crippling depression, really terrible and I couldn't think about much else. It had a real effect on every aspect of life and at the time I was on antidepressants and saw a talking therapist. After a couple of years things had mostly eased off so I stopped antidepressants and finished my degree. Years down the line I have a high paying job (but very stressful and time consuming). I'm still single but generally life is pretty good, I don't have any physical health problems, I'm able to take several foreign holidays a year and visit friends and family fairly often (although I do live in a different part of the country).
Nowadays I'm not so depressed I can't get on with life but it's always there. I'm always low level miserable and never quite satisfied. Do other people get this? People who've had depression and "gotten over" it, does it ever really go or like me is it just not as bad as it was?
Yeah mine never really goes. I doubt it ever will. If I get complacent it hits me like a ton of bricks.

wiliferus

4,063 posts

198 months

Sunday 9th September 2018
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Ruskie said:
Yeah mine never really goes. I doubt it ever will. If I get complacent it hits me like a ton of bricks.
Agreed. From my limited experiences (suffered for a few years) it never *really* goes. There’s always a hint of low mood, and for me depression is like the sword hanging over me, just waiting to drop.

xjay1337

15,966 posts

118 months

Monday 10th September 2018
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Since we are asking questions

- Does anyone notice any odd side effects with their meds such as perhaps not caring as much what they say, or not realising?
I've always spoken faster than my brain can react, but I feel that over the last 12 months while I have been on the Prozac (daily 20mg) that I am...uh.. "more autistic" ?

As in, I care less about the consequences of what I say. Generally I feel pretty dead inside, yeah sure I don't feel "depressed" as such but I never feel happy, at the same times thing that should make me sad don't tend to bother me....I just feel something is wrong.

Tekno

194 posts

101 months

Monday 10th September 2018
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xjay1337 said:
Since we are asking questions

- Does anyone notice any odd side effects with their meds such as perhaps not caring as much what they say, or not realising?
I've always spoken faster than my brain can react, but I feel that over the last 12 months while I have been on the Prozac (daily 20mg) that I am...uh.. "more autistic" ?

As in, I care less about the consequences of what I say. Generally I feel pretty dead inside, yeah sure I don't feel "depressed" as such but I never feel happy, at the same times thing that should make me sad don't tend to bother me....I just feel something is wrong.
This is indicative of anti depressants IMO. It'll plateau your mood so whilst you don't get the low (albeit as often), you also don't get the highs - which is of course much needed! I personally wouldn't say there's something wrong, simply the meds doing what they should be doing.

I've been on meds off and on for 15 years for anxiety. Currently on a bad spell due to disabled son and stress at work. Maximum dose of antidepressants having tried most other 'brands'. Currently giving beta blockers 3 x a day a go. Have heard CBD (without THC) is good for anxiety, I vape so will try a drop in that.

I wake up anxious, spend the day anxious, go to sleep anxious. Pretty tired of it TBF!

227bhp

10,203 posts

128 months

Monday 10th September 2018
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Tekno said:
xjay1337 said:
Since we are asking questions

- Does anyone notice any odd side effects with their meds such as perhaps not caring as much what they say, or not realising?
I've always spoken faster than my brain can react, but I feel that over the last 12 months while I have been on the Prozac (daily 20mg) that I am...uh.. "more autistic" ?

As in, I care less about the consequences of what I say. Generally I feel pretty dead inside, yeah sure I don't feel "depressed" as such but I never feel happy, at the same times thing that should make me sad don't tend to bother me....I just feel something is wrong.
This is indicative of anti depressants IMO. It'll plateau your mood so whilst you don't get the low (albeit as often), you also don't get the highs - which is of course much needed! I personally wouldn't say there's something wrong, simply the meds doing what they should be doing.

I've been on meds off and on for 15 years for anxiety. Currently on a bad spell due to disabled son and stress at work. Maximum dose of antidepressants having tried most other 'brands'. Currently giving beta blockers 3 x a day a go. Have heard CBD (without THC) is good for anxiety, I vape so will try a drop in that.

I wake up anxious, spend the day anxious, go to sleep anxious. Pretty tired of it TBF!
Yes I believe I wrote about it on here. The first think I noticed when I came off them was I got my emotions back.

ED209

5,746 posts

244 months

Monday 10th September 2018
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xjay1337 said:
Since we are asking questions

- Does anyone notice any odd side effects with their meds such as perhaps not caring as much what they say, or not realising?
I've always spoken faster than my brain can react, but I feel that over the last 12 months while I have been on the Prozac (daily 20mg) that I am...uh.. "more autistic" ?

As in, I care less about the consequences of what I say. Generally I feel pretty dead inside, yeah sure I don't feel "depressed" as such but I never feel happy, at the same times thing that should make me sad don't tend to bother me....I just feel something is wrong.
This is what i worry about, got a doctors appointment tomorrow and I fear tablets will be the result. I don't really wan them because I worry about becoming the grey man. I also worry about side effects such as putting on weight. One of my issues is being obsessed with weight/fitness. If I don't exercise I feel awful and if I put a bit of fat on I feel awful. Im not anorexic or anything and eat like a pig but I know that I also have an issue with that as well as depression/anxiety.

227bhp

10,203 posts

128 months

Monday 10th September 2018
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ED209 said:
This is what i worry about, got a doctors appointment tomorrow and I fear tablets will be the result. I don't really wan them because I worry about becoming the grey man. I also worry about side effects such as putting on weight. One of my issues is being obsessed with weight/fitness. If I don't exercise I feel awful and if I put a bit of fat on I feel awful. Im not anorexic or anything and eat like a pig but I know that I also have an issue with that as well as depression/anxiety.
They won't magically make you put on weight, eating too much of the wrong foods and lack of exercise do that. There is one which made me really hungry though so watch out for that (ask the doctor) I can't remember what it was now, but mentioned it on here before.

Ruskie

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3,989 posts

200 months

Tuesday 11th September 2018
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xjay1337 said:
Since we are asking questions

- Does anyone notice any odd side effects with their meds such as perhaps not caring as much what they say, or not realising?
I've always spoken faster than my brain can react, but I feel that over the last 12 months while I have been on the Prozac (daily 20mg) that I am...uh.. "more autistic" ?

As in, I care less about the consequences of what I say. Generally I feel pretty dead inside, yeah sure I don't feel "depressed" as such but I never feel happy, at the same times thing that should make me sad don't tend to bother me....I just feel something is wrong.
On Sertraline I felt completely numb. No highs and no lows. Middle of the road numb but that is what the drug is designed to do. It helped me at the time but I got sick of apathy to happy events.