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petemurphy said:
dont know if its been mentioned before but currently reading this and can totally recommend - its an eye opener about depression drugs etc
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lost-Connections-Youre-De...
That is a fascinating book that raises a whole host of questions - it's been much discussed by myself and my partner who is a psychotherapist. A great deal makes a lot of sense around the issues of depression and anxiety and it's a recommended read https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lost-Connections-Youre-De...
tonyvid said:
petemurphy said:
dont know if its been mentioned before but currently reading this and can totally recommend - its an eye opener about depression drugs etc
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lost-Connections-Youre-De...
That is a fascinating book that raises a whole host of questions - it's been much discussed by myself and my partner who is a psychotherapist. A great deal makes a lot of sense around the issues of depression and anxiety and it's a recommended read https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lost-Connections-Youre-De...
Me to well depressed at mo, my nan died last week, my dad is a few weeks from dieing with terminal brain cancer, Im spliiting with my misses she moving out in May I have a 3 yr old son, Ive had dental issues pain for nearly 6 months and Im holding on to my job by the skin of my teeth. Im not taking meds at mo but think i should as just not coping anymore.
Tekno said:
tonyvid said:
petemurphy said:
dont know if its been mentioned before but currently reading this and can totally recommend - its an eye opener about depression drugs etc
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lost-Connections-Youre-De...
That is a fascinating book that raises a whole host of questions - it's been much discussed by myself and my partner who is a psychotherapist. A great deal makes a lot of sense around the issues of depression and anxiety and it's a recommended read https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lost-Connections-Youre-De...
sgtBerbatov said:
Tekno said:
tonyvid said:
petemurphy said:
dont know if its been mentioned before but currently reading this and can totally recommend - its an eye opener about depression drugs etc
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lost-Connections-Youre-De...
That is a fascinating book that raises a whole host of questions - it's been much discussed by myself and my partner who is a psychotherapist. A great deal makes a lot of sense around the issues of depression and anxiety and it's a recommended read https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lost-Connections-Youre-De...
Medication certainly has it's place to give you the space to stop and actually try to sort stuff out. For the majority(and there are certainly cases where only meds are the answer), unless you can deal with the underlying issues, to understand the ways you feel and to find ways to deal or accept them then the feelings of depression and/or anxiety are most likely to return once the meds stop. (This is absolutely not diminishing the mental health illness and feelings so many have, I've had more than my fair share of it all....)tonyvid said:
Keep going with the book Medication certainly has it's place to give you the space to stop and actually try to sort stuff out. For the majority(and there are certainly cases where only meds are the answer), unless you can deal with the underlying issues, to understand the ways you feel and to find ways to deal or accept them then the feelings of depression and/or anxiety are most likely to return once the meds stop. (This is absolutely not diminishing the mental health illness and feelings so many have, I've had more than my fair share of it all....)
I'm two thirds of the way through the book and it's put into clear and concise prose what I've been thinking for along time. It fits in very nicely with a number of stoic writings that I've been reading recently as well. Essentially the way we live modern life is so far removed from what our species has evolved to thrive on, it's hardly surprising that we're not doing well emotionally. I don't think I'm in any way clinically depressed but my current work/sleep/spend lifestyle is not sustainable. Medication certainly has it's place to give you the space to stop and actually try to sort stuff out. For the majority(and there are certainly cases where only meds are the answer), unless you can deal with the underlying issues, to understand the ways you feel and to find ways to deal or accept them then the feelings of depression and/or anxiety are most likely to return once the meds stop. (This is absolutely not diminishing the mental health illness and feelings so many have, I've had more than my fair share of it all....)I'm currently sat in an open plan office surrounded by people quietly ploughing through the workload they have.
I've had precisely two conversations with people today, and both of them were passive aggressive b
kings just to make sure I deliver what I promised to deliver by the end of the day. I'll go home and be mildly moody with my wife and kids, sort out the jobs that need doing at home and then basically sit and wait for tomorrow to come round.
Spumfry said:
A quick comment about the Johann Hari book - I would recommend reading some critical reviews, and articles written in response to some of his claims - please don't read it in isolation.
I’d agree with this I read it after seeing it here and while many of his points are definitely valid I don’t think it’s wise to completely dismiss anti depressants. I was on them after going through a rough time and they most definitely helped me level out in conjunction with meditation, exercise, healthy eating and cutting down alcohol.The thing that made the biggest change for me was the drink I had no idea how much it was part of my problem. It was my go to for ‘stress relief’ when the reality is it causes the stress and to a certain degree the depression too. I also dabbled in other substances occasionally which was not a good idea..
Don’t suffer in silence, I finally found a doctor who listened and that was the major turning point for me.
Cie said:
sgtBerbatov said:
Citalopram can be different for different people. It took about 3 months for it to balance out in my case. When I was on it I felt numb, since then I've felt happier and not as anxious or depressed. I did for a moment come of them and went on to Setraline, and Christ that was the worst thing I ever done. I was never, ever, suicidal until I went on that stuff. And I sat at work for half the day and planned out how to top myself, whether or not my life insurance would cover it so my wife wouldn't be out on her ear. I snapped out of it as soon as I realised "What the actual fk are you doing?". I made an appointment to see the GP, told her I wanted to go back on Citalopram as the other stuff wasn't doing it for me (I had been on it 3 months at this point). She put me in to see a nurse for informal counselling which helped so much. I'm now on the waiting list to see a proper counsellor.
I would add though that I read that Magnesium makes a difference in people's mental health and depression, and when I went back on the citalopram I started to take the magnesium as well at the same time. I think this has made a huge difference to my experience of citalopram compared to what I was like before. I'd highly recommend doing it for anyone in that situation. Costs £10 and lasts about 3 months from Boots. Even if it's a placebo, it's a good placebo.
I think I'll give this a try. I've been on citalopram for two months now and still feel as I did at the beginning. I don't know if I was expecting too much in a short space of time or if it's not the one for me, but hopefully this helps.k are you doing?". I made an appointment to see the GP, told her I wanted to go back on Citalopram as the other stuff wasn't doing it for me (I had been on it 3 months at this point). She put me in to see a nurse for informal counselling which helped so much. I'm now on the waiting list to see a proper counsellor. I would add though that I read that Magnesium makes a difference in people's mental health and depression, and when I went back on the citalopram I started to take the magnesium as well at the same time. I think this has made a huge difference to my experience of citalopram compared to what I was like before. I'd highly recommend doing it for anyone in that situation. Costs £10 and lasts about 3 months from Boots. Even if it's a placebo, it's a good placebo.
Joscal said:
Spumfry said:
A quick comment about the Johann Hari book - I would recommend reading some critical reviews, and articles written in response to some of his claims - please don't read it in isolation.
I’d agree with this I read it after seeing it here and while many of his points are definitely valid I don’t think it’s wise to completely dismiss anti depressants. I was on them after going through a rough time and they most definitely helped me level out in conjunction with meditation, exercise, healthy eating and cutting down alcohol. There has been quite a backlash against some of his views and I still question parts of his theories and observations. I think if you can sift through a lot of the evidence on both side of the basic arguments and just take away a couple of things then it could make a huge difference to some of us on here.ADs certainly helped me through some very difficult parts of my life and I'd do the same again if it happens again. I wish I had been more aware of some of Hari's ideas a while ago and I'd have done some things very differently. Best wishes to all you guys and gals out there who are struggling with stuff - it will and does get better with help, and people to talk to, so keep talking!
PostHeads123 said:
Me to well depressed at mo, my nan died last week, my dad is a few weeks from dieing with terminal brain cancer, Im spliiting with my misses she moving out in May I have a 3 yr old son, Ive had dental issues pain for nearly 6 months and Im holding on to my job by the skin of my teeth. Im not taking meds at mo but think i should as just not coping anymore.
Good luck. Things can and do get better. Hang on in there.Looking at posts others have made makes my worries seem insignificant in comparison, but I'll still get it off my chest anyway:
I've had a st week - I've been off because my depression suddenly got a lot worse. I've been lucky over the past year that my medication has been keeping my moods relatively stable, but I've been having a bad spell at work, getting stressed, falling out with people etc. It got to the weekend and I just could not physically bring myself to move out of bed, and that's pretty much been the case since last Friday. To make matters worse I found a hard, grape-like lump in my breast (I'm male btw), which is almost certainly nothing, but still quite scary.
I did recognise my mental state was deteriorating, and I booked an urgent appointment with my GP. My antidepressants have been increased - I'm now on 150mg sertraline and 50mg mirtazipine.
I now feel like I must try and remove or reduce the negative influences in my life, all of which stem from work. So to end on a positive: I recognised a low spell and acted upon it, and I'm now thinking longer-term about how I can help prevent it.
I've had a s
t week - I've been off because my depression suddenly got a lot worse. I've been lucky over the past year that my medication has been keeping my moods relatively stable, but I've been having a bad spell at work, getting stressed, falling out with people etc. It got to the weekend and I just could not physically bring myself to move out of bed, and that's pretty much been the case since last Friday. To make matters worse I found a hard, grape-like lump in my breast (I'm male btw), which is almost certainly nothing, but still quite scary.I did recognise my mental state was deteriorating, and I booked an urgent appointment with my GP. My antidepressants have been increased - I'm now on 150mg sertraline and 50mg mirtazipine.
I now feel like I must try and remove or reduce the negative influences in my life, all of which stem from work. So to end on a positive: I recognised a low spell and acted upon it, and I'm now thinking longer-term about how I can help prevent it.
- I will say this: to anyone depressed and not currently on medication, give it a shot! It'll probably make you feel like absolute death at first, but once you're over the initial hump it really does help.*
Edited by Mercury00 on Friday 5th April 00:31
Mercury00 said:
To make matters worse I found a hard, grape-like lump in my breast (I'm male btw), which is almost certainly nothing, but still quite scary.
When you went to the doctors about your medication, you got this examined too didn't you?Edited by Mercury00 on Friday 5th April 00:31
Mercury00 said:
sgtBerbatov said:
When you went to the doctors about your medication, you got this examined too didn't you?
No, this appeared after I was at the docs.tonyvid said:
sgtBerbatov said:
Tekno said:
tonyvid said:
petemurphy said:
dont know if its been mentioned before but currently reading this and can totally recommend - its an eye opener about depression drugs etc
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lost-Connections-Youre-De...
That is a fascinating book that raises a whole host of questions - it's been much discussed by myself and my partner who is a psychotherapist. A great deal makes a lot of sense around the issues of depression and anxiety and it's a recommended read https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lost-Connections-Youre-De...
Medication certainly has it's place to give you the space to stop and actually try to sort stuff out. For the majority(and there are certainly cases where only meds are the answer), unless you can deal with the underlying issues, to understand the ways you feel and to find ways to deal or accept them then the feelings of depression and/or anxiety are most likely to return once the meds stop. (This is absolutely not diminishing the mental health illness and feelings so many have, I've had more than my fair share of it all....)No I have carried on with the book. It's fascinating really, rarely to I read a book and think "I have had these thoughts" or "I've felt like this". The odd thing is, when I read the first few chapters in the day I was talking to the wife about the book (more to reinforce what I read in my head than anything) - then I realised I hadn't actually taken my medication that day. And that day I had felt a bit more normal. Which I also told her. We then went in to a discussion about what I'm going to do with this new information, and I told her that until I read the book in full I'm still taking the meds. I don't know what the underlying cause is for myself, I've only now (after nearly 18 months) got to see a 1-on-1 session with an NHS nurse who is going through CBT with me. So I don't want to undermine that, yet I'm free and easy to try everything available.
But yeah, I've told people who don't know about my depression about this book and from that point of view I think it's a fascinating read, so I'm definitely recommending it even now as a subject topic.
How is everyone getting on?
After trying the NHS / CBT stuff I am now trying a private therapist.
No idea what to expect. Had one introductory meeting in the week and will be seeing again properly for the first session next week.
I was against it but my Mrs sort of strong-armed me into going, it's her way of trying to help, she is paying for the first few sessions.
Been weaning myself off prozac , feeling no different, just as miserable as without
After trying the NHS / CBT stuff I am now trying a private therapist.
No idea what to expect. Had one introductory meeting in the week and will be seeing again properly for the first session next week.
I was against it but my Mrs sort of strong-armed me into going, it's her way of trying to help, she is paying for the first few sessions.
Been weaning myself off prozac , feeling no different, just as miserable as without
xjay1337 said:
How is everyone getting on?
After trying the NHS / CBT stuff I am now trying a private therapist.
No idea what to expect. Had one introductory meeting in the week and will be seeing again properly for the first session next week.
I was against it but my Mrs sort of strong-armed me into going, it's her way of trying to help, she is paying for the first few sessions.
Been weaning myself off prozac , feeling no different, just as miserable as without
Living a joyless existence but I’m used to it now. Good luck with the sessions, I hope they have a positive outcome.After trying the NHS / CBT stuff I am now trying a private therapist.
No idea what to expect. Had one introductory meeting in the week and will be seeing again properly for the first session next week.
I was against it but my Mrs sort of strong-armed me into going, it's her way of trying to help, she is paying for the first few sessions.
Been weaning myself off prozac , feeling no different, just as miserable as without
xjay1337 said:
How is everyone getting on?
After trying the NHS / CBT stuff I am now trying a private therapist.
No idea what to expect. Had one introductory meeting in the week and will be seeing again properly for the first session next week.
I was against it but my Mrs sort of strong-armed me into going, it's her way of trying to help, she is paying for the first few sessions.
Been weaning myself off prozac , feeling no different, just as miserable as without
Have you read this book?After trying the NHS / CBT stuff I am now trying a private therapist.
No idea what to expect. Had one introductory meeting in the week and will be seeing again properly for the first session next week.
I was against it but my Mrs sort of strong-armed me into going, it's her way of trying to help, she is paying for the first few sessions.
Been weaning myself off prozac , feeling no different, just as miserable as without
https://www.amazon.com/Lost-Connections-Uncovering...
Its incredible and a product of many tens years research in one place. Fantastic to read..
It will help you make your own mind up on pills and councilling
Tekno said:
tonyvid said:
petemurphy said:
dont know if its been mentioned before but currently reading this and can totally recommend - its an eye opener about depression drugs etc
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lost-Connections-Youre-De...
That is a fascinating book that raises a whole host of questions - it's been much discussed by myself and my partner who is a psychotherapist. A great deal makes a lot of sense around the issues of depression and anxiety and it's a recommended read https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lost-Connections-Youre-De...
xjay1337 said:
How is everyone getting on?
After trying the NHS / CBT stuff I am now trying a private therapist.
No idea what to expect. Had one introductory meeting in the week and will be seeing again properly for the first session next week.
I was against it but my Mrs sort of strong-armed me into going, it's her way of trying to help, she is paying for the first few sessions.
Been weaning myself off prozac , feeling no different, just as miserable as without
I would be interested to hear how you get on with the private sessions. We're looking at that for my son who suffers with depression and anxiety, and my daughter who has social anxiety.After trying the NHS / CBT stuff I am now trying a private therapist.
No idea what to expect. Had one introductory meeting in the week and will be seeing again properly for the first session next week.
I was against it but my Mrs sort of strong-armed me into going, it's her way of trying to help, she is paying for the first few sessions.
Been weaning myself off prozac , feeling no different, just as miserable as without
The NHS treatment has been minimal and useless.
Edited by 98elise on Monday 22 April 16:31
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