Help me to bulk up
Discussion
Autopilot said:
Joking aside, my advise for the OP is that he should post on a more appropriate forum. Don't get me wrong, there are some knowledgeable peeps on here but it is a very small minority so most threads of this nature have posts that completely contradict each other and just spill out urban myths.
Couldn't agree more, 10% of the posts in this forum (you posters know who you are 
) are good, the rest are pish.edit to add- those not knowing good from bad can easily get the two mixed up. Potentially causing them to DIE. or not.
The Major said:
yeah I ment core exercises for my core, I have a bench with a couple of accesorys like a chest thingy and lat bar, but I could do with some other ideas with what to do.
the only PT i know that my sister uses is pretty built but I dont know how good he is tho, would rather work out at home as its free and I have a few weights and stuff, plus I can only really do upper body stuff atm.
I try an get alot of food down me but I was using the protien shakes for extra protien as I struggle to get a large amount eaten, but I will endeavor to eat more meat.
Lift heavier weights. Buy more lumps of metal, or join a gym. the only PT i know that my sister uses is pretty built but I dont know how good he is tho, would rather work out at home as its free and I have a few weights and stuff, plus I can only really do upper body stuff atm.
I try an get alot of food down me but I was using the protien shakes for extra protien as I struggle to get a large amount eaten, but I will endeavor to eat more meat.
Do compound exercises. Squats, deadlifts.
Leptons said:
My understanding was that you eat like a Horse for the 8 hours up untill bedtime and it slowed your metabolism down because of the 16 hours you didnt eat.
Sorry I'm such a retard.
Prick
Well your understanding is wrong. Why the hell do people who don't know what they're talking about insist on giving their opinion?Sorry I'm such a retard.
Prick
Intermittent fasting will INCREASE metabolic rate, that is why it is such an effective fat loss protocol as well as being very convenient and still allowing enjoyment of food when dieting. Therefore it is NOT suitable for the OP quite beside the fact he needs every waking hour available to him to get the calories in.
HonestIago said:
Why the hell do people who don't know what they're talking about insist on giving their opinion?
Because they have read about it on motoring related websites and other reliable sources therefore giving the illusion that repeating the same (inaccurate) information is the same as being qualified to give a valid and factually correct opinion? 
Bulking up really is quite simple (okay, the OP has a few heath bits and bobs to contend with, but the principle is the same) but people over complicate it and the conversation quickly deteriorates and turns to subjects like fasting and crap like that.
Train hard in the gym - This means pushing yourself, not just settling for a weight you know you can lift. It's amazing the amount of times I bump in to guys in the gym who say they train so hard and you see them pressing 20kg dumbells, you hand them a set of 30's instead and they do the same reps and sets with the same form yet for some reason they thought they were training hard despite clearly showing they can work a whole load harder. Be realistic and honest with yourself!
Eat - To grow you must eat. You don't need to fast or any of that s
t, just increase your calorie intake with high protein foods. If you're not much of an eater, just try and squeeze 1 extra meal a day in to start. You're not training to get on a stage or anything, there is no need to go to any weird lengths to grow, just eat more (quality) food.Rest - Don't over train and just do your favourite bits 3 times a week. You only really need to beat the crap out of each muscle group once a week, that's enough for you.
While there is some good (and some really bad advice in this thread) just spend the next three months training hard and eating more and you WILL grow.
I'm currently doing this training routine and 1 month in already seeing the benefits.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/shortcut-to-size.h...
Everything is pretty much planned out in it, and shows you the importance of diet. Seems to work well for me, though you'll have to change some of the food types in there I guess. The key is calorie intake and macro nutrient ratio. I've been logging all my calories on a daily basis and it really helps and shows me that where I thought I was eating a lot, in fact I was eating way below what I needed to bulk up. And then while at the gym, really pushing it. If you know someone who has simailar goals it makes it much easier and motivates you further if they partner with you down the gym.
Hope it helps.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/shortcut-to-size.h...
Everything is pretty much planned out in it, and shows you the importance of diet. Seems to work well for me, though you'll have to change some of the food types in there I guess. The key is calorie intake and macro nutrient ratio. I've been logging all my calories on a daily basis and it really helps and shows me that where I thought I was eating a lot, in fact I was eating way below what I needed to bulk up. And then while at the gym, really pushing it. If you know someone who has simailar goals it makes it much easier and motivates you further if they partner with you down the gym.
Hope it helps.
Autopilot said:
Because they have read about it on motoring related websites and other reliable sources therefore giving the illusion that repeating the same (inaccurate) information is the same as being qualified to give a valid and factually correct opinion?
Bulking up really is quite simple (okay, the OP has a few heath bits and bobs to contend with, but the principle is the same) but people over complicate it and the conversation quickly deteriorates and turns to subjects like fasting and crap like that.
Train hard in the gym - This means pushing yourself, not just settling for a weight you know you can lift. It's amazing the amount of times I bump in to guys in the gym who say they train so hard and you see them pressing 20kg dumbells, you hand them a set of 30's instead and they do the same reps and sets with the same form yet for some reason they thought they were training hard despite clearly showing they can work a whole load harder. Be realistic and honest with yourself!
Eat - To grow you must eat. You don't need to fast or any of that st, just increase your calorie intake with high protein foods. If you're not much of an eater, just try and squeeze 1 extra meal a day in to start. You're not training to get on a stage or anything, there is no need to go to any weird lengths to grow, just eat more (quality) food.
Rest - Don't over train and just do your favourite bits 3 times a week. You only really need to beat the crap out of each muscle group once a week, that's enough for you.
While there is some good (and some really bad advice in this thread) just spend the next three months training hard and eating more and you WILL grow.
Get over yourself. It was merely a suggestion to read up on the subject. You don't think someone is going to embark on a diet off the back of one post? This is a discussion forum last time I looked.Bulking up really is quite simple (okay, the OP has a few heath bits and bobs to contend with, but the principle is the same) but people over complicate it and the conversation quickly deteriorates and turns to subjects like fasting and crap like that.
Train hard in the gym - This means pushing yourself, not just settling for a weight you know you can lift. It's amazing the amount of times I bump in to guys in the gym who say they train so hard and you see them pressing 20kg dumbells, you hand them a set of 30's instead and they do the same reps and sets with the same form yet for some reason they thought they were training hard despite clearly showing they can work a whole load harder. Be realistic and honest with yourself!
Eat - To grow you must eat. You don't need to fast or any of that s
t, just increase your calorie intake with high protein foods. If you're not much of an eater, just try and squeeze 1 extra meal a day in to start. You're not training to get on a stage or anything, there is no need to go to any weird lengths to grow, just eat more (quality) food.Rest - Don't over train and just do your favourite bits 3 times a week. You only really need to beat the crap out of each muscle group once a week, that's enough for you.
While there is some good (and some really bad advice in this thread) just spend the next three months training hard and eating more and you WILL grow.
Having read a couple more articles on Intermittant fasting it's clearly going to be no use to the OP who is already under weight to start with.
The Major said:
im pretty skinny, and need to put on a good few stone, doesnt help that Ive been ill recently and have lost about a stone, not good when your already a bean pole.
anyway, I have chrones, and cant eat egg so that puts a dampner on the cake an pies diet, and I find it really hard to put on weight, I can up my strength and stamina but I just dont get any bigger, perhaps a tiny bit, but I went from strugelling to bench 15kilo to being about to bench 50kilo, an that was at 8 stone, start and finish weight.
So Ive tryed protien shakes, primarly maximuscle cyclone, and it helped with the strength side but didnt put any weight on really.
for a while my health has been pretty damn st, so I havnt been able to walk about or move much and I have lost ALOT of muscle strength and stamina.
what sort of egg free foods can I eat to bulk up, and does anyone have some core exersises I can do to build myself up a bit, as thats where I am and have always been lacking.
Who told you that you cannot eat egg with Crohns?anyway, I have chrones, and cant eat egg so that puts a dampner on the cake an pies diet, and I find it really hard to put on weight, I can up my strength and stamina but I just dont get any bigger, perhaps a tiny bit, but I went from strugelling to bench 15kilo to being about to bench 50kilo, an that was at 8 stone, start and finish weight.
So Ive tryed protien shakes, primarly maximuscle cyclone, and it helped with the strength side but didnt put any weight on really.
for a while my health has been pretty damn s
t, so I havnt been able to walk about or move much and I have lost ALOT of muscle strength and stamina.what sort of egg free foods can I eat to bulk up, and does anyone have some core exersises I can do to build myself up a bit, as thats where I am and have always been lacking.
Pooface said:
Or training sober is better than drunk/hungover?
rich1231 said:
Who told you that you cannot eat egg with Crohns?
Well no one has told me that, but I know I cant, as it really REALLY sets it off, in a major world ending kind of way.I know of a girl who cannot eat fat, as it does the same with her.
Egg is a massive no-no with me, I dont even want to attempt it cause I know what will happen, and I dont really want to go through that again.
Edited by The Major on Monday 21st May 22:37
No I havnt had surgury But might have to have it in the near future, having to have surgury for fistuala's sorting anyway, but might need more.
talking about injections, well, I have to have a drip every 6 weeks for my chrones medication but never have anyother kind of injection, and Ive never been told about B12 either by my surgeon, chrones specialist, GP or 'other' chrones specialist.
why would I need B12? an why would I be low?
EDIT: Oh yeah, forgot to say an just looked at the can, I tend to drink a can of redbull or relentless in the morning to help wake me up, an that has several times the RDA of B12 in it, so I doubt I am low in B12.
talking about injections, well, I have to have a drip every 6 weeks for my chrones medication but never have anyother kind of injection, and Ive never been told about B12 either by my surgeon, chrones specialist, GP or 'other' chrones specialist.
why would I need B12? an why would I be low?
EDIT: Oh yeah, forgot to say an just looked at the can, I tend to drink a can of redbull or relentless in the morning to help wake me up, an that has several times the RDA of B12 in it, so I doubt I am low in B12.
Edited by The Major on Monday 21st May 22:57
Sounds like your Crohns isnt too good at the moment, probably why you are having problems bulking up, when I was at my worst with it back in 2001 I weighed 7stone and no matter what I did I just couldnt put any weight on. Now Im 14stone and cant shift any weight sods law!
With the B12 Im surprised your consultant hasnt mentioned it before, its pretty much one of the first things my consultant checks when I go in to see him. Due to the Crohns your body is likely to have issues absorbing B12 so no matter how much of it you have you just cant absorb it so its worth getting it checked. Other than that I would seriously consider just waiting till you are better before you consider trying to bulk up.
I didnt listen when I was told this and ended up having 4 major operations because I didnt take it easy. There will always be time to get healthy and bulk up when you are fit and well.
With the B12 Im surprised your consultant hasnt mentioned it before, its pretty much one of the first things my consultant checks when I go in to see him. Due to the Crohns your body is likely to have issues absorbing B12 so no matter how much of it you have you just cant absorb it so its worth getting it checked. Other than that I would seriously consider just waiting till you are better before you consider trying to bulk up.
I didnt listen when I was told this and ended up having 4 major operations because I didnt take it easy. There will always be time to get healthy and bulk up when you are fit and well.
The Major said:
No I havnt had surgury But might have to have it in the near future, having to have surgury for fistuala's sorting anyway, but might need more.
talking about injections, well, I have to have a drip every 6 weeks for my chrones medication but never have anyother kind of injection, and Ive never been told about B12 either by my surgeon, chrones specialist, GP or 'other' chrones specialist.
why would I need B12? an why would I be low?
EDIT: Oh yeah, forgot to say an just looked at the can, I tend to drink a can of redbull or relentless in the morning to help wake me up, an that has several times the RDA of B12 in it, so I doubt I am low in B12.
No point in taking B12 orally if you have Chrohn's as it isn't absorbed properly.talking about injections, well, I have to have a drip every 6 weeks for my chrones medication but never have anyother kind of injection, and Ive never been told about B12 either by my surgeon, chrones specialist, GP or 'other' chrones specialist.
why would I need B12? an why would I be low?
EDIT: Oh yeah, forgot to say an just looked at the can, I tend to drink a can of redbull or relentless in the morning to help wake me up, an that has several times the RDA of B12 in it, so I doubt I am low in B12.
Edited by The Major on Monday 21st May 22:57
You should be checked for B12 deficiency, it might be you have been already without realising. But as mentioned above if your Chrohn's is active you will possibly not be able to absorb it through the gut.
http://www.patient.co.uk/health/Anaemia-(Perniciou... gives some more information.
Some good advice above on training and diet. Here's my 2p.
Don't worry about not being able to eat egg. I can't either and it's very rarely an issue (I'm allergic to it).
You just learn to avoid cakes etc and to read ingredients lists very carefully..
There plenty of whey (milk-based) protein powders out there, if you want to use those.
Don't worry about doing things like deadlifts either.
I started doing them after a bout of sciatics left my lower back very weak.
If you start doing them with proper form and find that your fistulas/back strength limits you to 10kg deadlift, so be it; you're still doing something and you will improve.
I started at 15kg and a year later am doing 90kg at the same bodyweight.
It doesn't matter what anyone else is lifting because they are not you.
Don't worry about not being able to eat egg. I can't either and it's very rarely an issue (I'm allergic to it).
You just learn to avoid cakes etc and to read ingredients lists very carefully..
There plenty of whey (milk-based) protein powders out there, if you want to use those.
Don't worry about doing things like deadlifts either.
I started doing them after a bout of sciatics left my lower back very weak.
If you start doing them with proper form and find that your fistulas/back strength limits you to 10kg deadlift, so be it; you're still doing something and you will improve.
I started at 15kg and a year later am doing 90kg at the same bodyweight.
It doesn't matter what anyone else is lifting because they are not you.
stackmonkey said:
Some good advice above on training and diet. Here's my 2p.
Don't worry about not being able to eat egg. I can't either and it's very rarely an issue (I'm allergic to it).
You just learn to avoid cakes etc and to read ingredients lists very carefully..
There plenty of whey (milk-based) protein powders out there, if you want to use those.
Don't worry about doing things like deadlifts either.
I started doing them after a bout of sciatics left my lower back very weak.
If you start doing them with proper form and find that your fistulas/back strength limits you to 10kg deadlift, so be it; you're still doing something and you will improve.
I started at 15kg and a year later am doing 90kg at the same bodyweight.
It doesn't matter what anyone else is lifting because they are not you.
yeah I do agree, I do read nearly every ingrediants list on stuff I buy, as I dont want to loose the weight, on the upside, I have put on 10 pound in a week so I think my meds are working.Don't worry about not being able to eat egg. I can't either and it's very rarely an issue (I'm allergic to it).
You just learn to avoid cakes etc and to read ingredients lists very carefully..
There plenty of whey (milk-based) protein powders out there, if you want to use those.
Don't worry about doing things like deadlifts either.
I started doing them after a bout of sciatics left my lower back very weak.
If you start doing them with proper form and find that your fistulas/back strength limits you to 10kg deadlift, so be it; you're still doing something and you will improve.
I started at 15kg and a year later am doing 90kg at the same bodyweight.
It doesn't matter what anyone else is lifting because they are not you.
As for doing the deadlifts and such, I squatted 30 kilo yesterday, my legs are killing me but the only thing is that where Im so skinny I had to put my motorbike jacket on so the armour took the weight as I couldnt lift it, it was killing my shoulders just trying.
But Im improving, the chicken, rice/mash and lift heavy diet is working
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