Any JSA advisers on here.

Any JSA advisers on here.

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johnnywgk

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2,579 posts

183 months

Friday 25th May 2012
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Sorry Mods, if in the wrong place, please feel free to move it.

I had an accident where I needed an ambulance to take me to hospital. This led me having to apply for sickness benefit.

I was too ill to get to a doctor for a medical certificate, which the government requires.

I've now been informed I can't claim, because they need this certificate.

Any advice would be very gratefully received.

Chrisw666

22,655 posts

200 months

Friday 25th May 2012
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Is the doctor allowed to backdate a certificate for you?

johnnywgk

Original Poster:

2,579 posts

183 months

Friday 25th May 2012
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They say that it is against the law to back date, because they never saw my condition.


Mobile Chicane

20,845 posts

213 months

Friday 25th May 2012
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Can the hospital issue the relevant certificate? They must get this sort of thing all the time.

Chrisw666

22,655 posts

200 months

Friday 25th May 2012
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That's what I was getting at, surely it doesn't need to be your GP just some kind of proof from medical records that you were ill when you claimed to be.

obob

4,193 posts

195 months

Friday 25th May 2012
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Can't do it without a sick note or a fit note as it is now called. You should ask the hospital for one, I'm sure they can provide something.

johnnywgk

Original Poster:

2,579 posts

183 months

Friday 25th May 2012
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obob said:
Can't do it without a sick note or a fit note as it is now called. You should ask the hospital for one, I'm sure they can provide something.
Any info on that would be great.

Who in the hospital would I see to talk to for this information?

Many thanks.

(This is not normally my thing, but cheers, I'm really glad for your help)
More please.





Benjurs

446 posts

179 months

Friday 25th May 2012
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Medical records office at the hospital you were admitted to.

In fact you should have been given a med 3 by the ward upon discharge.... So be prepared to be pushed from pillar to post by the hospital if they want to get snotty about it.....

obob

4,193 posts

195 months

Friday 25th May 2012
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johnnywgk said:
Any info on that would be great.

Who in the hospital would I see to talk to for this information?

Many thanks.

(This is not normally my thing, but cheers, I'm really glad for your help)
More please.
Ring the department of the hospital you were in or if you have a direct number for the consultant you were seeing.

veevee

1,455 posts

152 months

Friday 25th May 2012
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If you're still ill, can't you get one from your GP?

Shuvi McTupya

24,460 posts

248 months

Friday 25th May 2012
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obob said:
Can't do it without a sick note or a fit note as it is now called. You should ask the hospital for one, I'm sure they can provide something.
Do you really get a fit note to prove you are unfit?

I am wondering why that change was made, it is not political correctness or racial awareness, surely nobody took offence at having to get a sick note when they were sick?

Whoever was involved in that decision should be the first to go, in these swathing cuts that need to be made...







mph1977

12,467 posts

169 months

Friday 25th May 2012
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Shuvi McTupya said:
obob said:
Can't do it without a sick note or a fit note as it is now called. You should ask the hospital for one, I'm sure they can provide something.
Do you really get a fit note to prove you are unfit?

I am wondering why that change was made, it is not political correctness or racial awareness, surely nobody took offence at having to get a sick note when they were sick?

Whoever was involved in that decision should be the first to go, in these swathing cuts that need to be made...
the old format Med 3s simply said if you were fit to work carrying out your full range of duties or not - based on the discussion between the individual and the Doctor providing the sick note

the new format 'fit note' version of the med3 allows the completing medical practitioner to suggest adaptations or a phased return , as it seems many employers don't put any time, money or effort into providing a proper occ health service to their employees

in the case of the OP

if they were likely to be unfit for work for 7 days or more after their attendance following their accident they should have had a med 3 done at the time either by the A+E doctor if they weren't admitted or by one of the doctors in the team of the consultant responsible for their inpatient care if they were admitted.

under the old rules there was also an inpatient version of the sick note that could be completed by Nurses or hospital management if someone was an inpatient - these seem to have gone by the wayside with the 'fit note' format med 3...

your GP can only issue med 3s from the first date s/he sees you after an accident or illness they can't back date it until before you first saw them about it.



Edited by mph1977 on Friday 25th May 22:20

Honk

1,985 posts

204 months

Friday 25th May 2012
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Your GP can issue a "fit" note/sick note based on correspondence from AED which they should have received.

thesyn

540 posts

182 months

Friday 25th May 2012
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As above, if you attended a/e your gp will receive notification (brave new world of commissioning) so should be able to provide certification on the basis of this.

mph1977

12,467 posts

169 months

Friday 25th May 2012
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Honk said:
Your GP can issue a "fit" note/sick note based on correspondence from AED which they should have received.
they cannot date the form before the first time they have seen you with regard to this problem

http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/med3-fitnote-sample.pdf

from
http://www.dwp.gov.uk/healthcare-professional/freq...

"A Statement of Fitness for Work (Med 3) can only be issued for a backdated period when it is based on a previous assessment.

An assessment is defined as the date you either had a face-to-face consultation, a telephone consultation or considered a report from another doctor or registered healthcare professional. You can issue a Statement on or after this date, but not before.

We recognise that there are some situations where your patient may ask for medical evidence to cover a backdated period for which there has not been a previous assessment. For example if your patient has not been appropriately issued with a Med 3 on discharge from hospital or at a previous consultation with another GP.

In these situations, you cannot issue a Med 3 for the back dated period. However, in order to be helpful to your patient you may wish to, either in the comments box of the Statement or in a separate letter, provide advice that the patient was not fit for work for an earlier period. You should ensure you have the appropriate information and evidence to justify this advice – generally this will be via a report or patient record. Employers and DWP can accept this advice as strong evidence of fitness for work for social security and Statutory Sick Pay purposes. "

johnnywgk

Original Poster:

2,579 posts

183 months

Saturday 26th May 2012
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Wow! there is so much info on here!

Update. I'm not in that much pain any more, just could really do with the months benefit. My friend rang all the concerened today, with no luck, so rang the hospital
who said they would forward my details to my GP.


Hopefully can do me a medical note so I can get some money. (the stuff I've been paying all my working life).

On another note, on my way to the Doctors, I saw a helecoptor and the aftermath of a motorcycle accident.

Did not look good. Please be OK my friend.