reverse handstand pushups....

[Lost_BMW]

goldblum said:

I'm 13.5/6 and could do sets of 8-10.Used Pavells handstand pushup training plan.No idea what I can press as post injury I've done very little.Can't wait to get back to them though.Had to switch to pistols and one arm pushups (narrow) to fill the gap.

Cheers - very interesting - Vince too. Keep em coming chaps!

So, do you think they equate to a press or are harder/easier - e.g. do you reckon you could, then, OH press 190lb for 8 to 10 reps?

I always assumed they would be harder but maybe that's 'cos I'm clumsy sod?

[goldblum]

Lost_BMW said:

goldblum said:

I'm 13.5/6 and could do sets of 8-10.Used Pavells handstand pushup training plan.No idea what I can press as post injury I've done very little.Can't wait to get back to them though.Had to switch to pistols and one arm pushups (narrow) to fill the gap.

Cheers - very interesting - Vince too. Keep em coming chaps!

So, do you think they equate to a press or are harder/easier - e.g. do you reckon you could, then, OH press 190lb for 8 to 10 reps?

I always assumed they would be harder but maybe that's 'cos I'm clumsy sod?

I haven't tested shoulder press recently..but I would imagine it's harder to lift your bodyweight s/press than handstand (once you can do a handstand).There's a lot more muscles involved in the hs pushup because of the balance factor but this also means you gain more overrall size and strength quicker than with s/press.If you were to ask which exercise is more beneficial in terms of balance,spatial awareness,coordination,core strength and sense of satisfaction etc. then the hs pushup wins easily,everyone should try them.

[LordGrover]

I tried 'regular' handstand press some time ago, and failed miserably. Nearly broke my head.
It takes more strength than I had then. Currently say in clinic awaiting hernia repair. Will add this to 'wish list' once I'm fixed.

[VinceFox]

still not sure how to compare to weights, but as an exercise it feels literally halfway beween an incline press and a military press. what it does do is replicate the freeweight experience in that you have to deal with a lot of wobble using your core while doing them.

atm i'm still having to go into them from a headstand, what i really want is to be able to flick up straight into them but it's more a confidence than strength thing. if i get it wrong i could proper knack meself.

[ApexJimi]

See, that's the bit that is confusing me - if you're vertical, how can it be compared, even in part, to an incline movement?

This is why I asked earlier if you were mentioning the upper pecs being hit.

[VinceFox]

ApexJimi said:

See, that's the bit that is confusing me - if you're vertical, how can it be compared, even in part, to an incline movement?

(this is why I asked earlier if you were at an angle)

ah right gotcha.

ok, the ones where i flick up into a handstand are vertical. if i turn the other way and walk my fet up the wall it's moe of an incline (say 15 degrees off vertical for easy maths). so, heels touching wall, vertical, toes touching wall, inclined.

[ApexJimi]

Ah right, I'm with you now!

What is your training history like? I mean, what kinda stuff have you been doing and for how long?

Well done on getting it right though - a vertical handstand pushup is a strong movement.

[VinceFox]

ApexJimi said:

Ah right, I'm with you now!

What is your training history like? I mean, what kinda stuff have you been doing and for how long?

Well done on getting it right though - a vertical handstand pushup is a strong movement.

i raced a dog up a hill once.

[ApexJimi]

I'm talking about training here, not your pulling techniques....

[VinceFox]

always been fit, mainly cardio and whatnot up to early mid twenties then gym/freeweights on and off all my adult life. always had strong tone until about four or five years ago when i became able to carry mass without relying on supplements as much (35ish). i'd say metabolically ive been more ectomeso in my youth and these seem to have switched dominance in the last few years.

i've only ever really dabbled, never been a gymrat in any strong way as i found it a massive faff having to kit up, drive there, etc. as ive got older i've reduced impact stuff and am really looking now to just keep shape a little. it's a LOT harder even to stay as you are at forty than it is in your twenties.

the main drive for me has always been vanity/deterrent tho. i'd like to pretend otherwise but hey, if it works...

[VinceFox]

ApexJimi said:

I'm talking about training here, not your pulling techniques....

[Halb]

I wish I could do one! This exercise is one that I really want to do. I can't even do a handstand yet, I have started adding headstands to my week. It feels natural to have the back of my head face the wall and then kick up, I wouldn't even think of having my face face the wall and then walk up.

This Pavel's guide sounds interesting, I shall look.

VinceFox said:

Couldnt tell you what weights i can do, havent been in a gym in donkeys. What i can tell you is im roughly the same shape as johnny bravo.

But inverted?



...

[VinceFox]

i'm not kidding, i'm johnny bravo shaped. also, my wardrobe consists almost entirely of black t shirts and jeans.

and i'm not the tallest.

[Lost_BMW]

Halb said:

I wish I could do one! This exercise is one that I really want to do. I can't even do a handstand yet.

Me too! Tried getting in position a couple of years back when the wall was matted. No chance!

I doubt that I'll ever be light/strong enough to do one. at one time I could seated press my bodyweight and more but still wouldn't have been able to do a handstand push up I think.

[VinceFox]

i found the gateway to it is to do a normal headstand about 6-10 inches from the wall, then when your legs are fully up, lean them back to the wall. then just push up, making sure you're biasing your weight in the direction of the wall.

[Halb]

This is also meant to be a gateway exercise, there are harder/weaker versions linked.
http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/DeltoidAnterio...


edit
found a book by Pavel in the below link, has anyone ever used ebookee?
http://ebookee.org/Pavel-Tsatsouline-Martial-Power...

Edited by Halb on Friday 8th June 16:29

[VinceFox]

Halb said:

This is also meant to be a gateway exercise, there are harder/weaker versions linked.
http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/DeltoidAnterio...


edit
found a book by Pavel in the below link, has anyone ever used ebookee?
http://ebookee.org/Pavel-Tsatsouline-Martial-Power...

Edited by Halb on Friday 8th June 16:29

that looks a little rex kwon do for my tastes!

[goldblum]

Here's some rough ideas for progressions.They're not the very best I've seen but they're not the worst either and the basic idea to progressively load the shoulders is sound.Remember it's quite acceptable to do these from a headstand,some people find it hard work getting used to placing both hands on the floor and kicking their legs over your head.

http://youtu.be/TFBdxDSdcA0

Once you can do 2/3 straight have a look at Pavel's hs pushup program..he'a nutter but very,very strong and his program works.

[VinceFox]

goldblum said:

Here's some rough ideas for progressions.They're not the very best I've seen but they're not the worst either and the basic idea to progressively load the shoulders is sound.Remember it's quite acceptable to do these from a headstand,some people find it hard work getting used to placing both hands on the floor and kicking their legs over your head.

http://youtu.be/TFBdxDSdcA0

Once you can do 2/3 straight have a look at Pavel's hs pushup program..he'a nutter but very,very strong and his program works.

i kind of started that way. from being out of shape recently and getting back in this is ROUGHLY what i did.

1. work up to being able to do at least fifty high quality normal pressups. this gave me a good baseline strength to build from. i'll assume we're already at this level.

2.do incline pressups just with your feet on the arm of the settee or similar for fifty good quality ones. anything about two feet off the ground is fin and no, you cant use my head.

3. start trying to walk your feet up the wall and assess your strength. if you can get up to three sets of twenty pressups dong this you've probably got enough power/weight for the next bits.

4. practice going from crouches with your feet of the ground, into a headstand. get GOOD at doing freestanding headstands this way. get comfortable with your balance doing them.

5. use the headstand technique to get yourself up upside down. do this ithin 6-10 inches of the wall you want to press up against. when you've got your balance comfy, try letting your feet find the wall.

6. press up. just try one, for balance. it'll feel bloody weird and disorientating to start with, but getting over the initial feeling doing 1s or 2s is valuable imho.

7. just keep building. you can have someone to help hold your feet but i found this made it worse. what i can telly you is that i find having my knees bent so my feet are more flat to the wall helps, as the bending in my knee allows for vertical movement when i'm doing them. also, err towards your bodyweight being towards the wall. to start with i kept falling out of position by trying to be too vertical and actually dropping back out of line.

hope this helps!

[goldblum]

Nice one VF..The above is good advice.

I too had problems keeping myself against the wall but the body adapts quickly.

http://kat.ph/ebook-fitness-pavel-tsatsouline-nake...