PH Transformation Winter Thread 2012 - Chat

PH Transformation Winter Thread 2012 - Chat

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Hoofy

76,448 posts

283 months

Wednesday 21st November 2012
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theshrew said:
Any of you lot done Keto ? Any good ?

Fancy trying something different just to see what happens.
You mean low carb dieting to induce ketosis? Done it, it isn't a problem. Just don't over-eat or under-eat.

theshrew

6,008 posts

185 months

Wednesday 21st November 2012
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Ordinary_Chap said:
Yes, its bloody brilliant if you can sustain it. Some can, some can't, I personally can do it very easily.

If you can find Lyle McDonald's work on it, its a good way to follow it.

I personally do very little carbs in the week (sub 50g) and then cheat day on Saturday eating whatever I please.

Lee
I will have a look for that then see what it says.

I dont eat loads of carbs anyway but i just fancy a try at something slightly different. Ive been eating what i have now for a year it would be nice to see the difference something else makes.

theshrew

6,008 posts

185 months

Wednesday 21st November 2012
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Can you have milk while your doing it ?

What are good things to get your fats ? Olive oil i presume would be good. How do you measure how much your getting etc ?

deadmau5

3,197 posts

181 months

Wednesday 21st November 2012
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theshrew said:
Can you have milk while your doing it ?

What are good things to get your fats ? Olive oil i presume would be good. How do you measure how much your getting etc ?
No you can't have milk.

The diet is okay at first but after a few months you will be sick of certain foods; that's when it gets testing. My favourite meal was cauliflower base pizza. Sounds grim but it's actually very nice.

theshrew

6,008 posts

185 months

Wednesday 21st November 2012
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Thought thar would be the case. I can live without milk, sugar and carbs etc.

I will have to read up on it but from what I no I like the sound of it

BuzzLightyear

1,426 posts

183 months

Thursday 22nd November 2012
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Hi all. You might know me from such threads as "the ADF diet" on this forum, but this is my first post on this one.

As you may know, I have started a regime of limiting calorie intake to 600 per day on two, non-consecutive days of the week. I am also continuing to visit the gym twice a week, more circuit training than some of the tougher work-outs some of you are doing. The idea is to lose weight and improve fitness / muscle tone for health reasons (or to continue to avoid health problems, more accurately as I have none at present).

In c7 weeks, I have lost about 8 lbs and improved fitness and muscle tone and am happy with the way things are going. I started out at 16st 4 and, at 49 y.o., am not trying to turn into Arnie.

I have a question though, for those who are knowledgable in such things:

At present, it usually works out that I have a low-cal day before a gym day (Mon & Thu -v- Tue & Fri). Will this give the best results or should I try to do gym day then low-cal day or even both on the same days?



PS Incidentally, if you weren't already aware, research appears to show health / longevity benefits can be derived from ADF (originally alternate day fasting) beyond what might be expected from merely reduced body fat and improved fitness levels. To me, who has never "dieted" before, the 2/5 days ADF is a sustainable, long-term lifestyle change with benefits which are measurable and possibly even greater benefits, less easily quantified.

LordGrover

33,552 posts

213 months

Thursday 22nd November 2012
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I suspect it'd depend on duration and intensity of exercise.
If it's a gentle 5km jog over 30 mins it'll not make any difference. If you're shifting lots of metal and/or running 10kms then you'll need fuelling properly.

Watch out though... I started out just seeking to lose fat and a little toning... it becomes a little addictive once you start seeing results. hehe

Hoofy

76,448 posts

283 months

Thursday 22nd November 2012
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Mmm. You will need to experiment to see what you can do. I wouldn't do a marathon just yet. hehe

theshrew

6,008 posts

185 months

Thursday 22nd November 2012
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I'd experiment see how you get on.

I think it's the only way to do anything like this. Ask questions then go try it. What works for one person won't for another. If your happy with what your doing then that's all that counts

deadmau5

3,197 posts

181 months

Friday 23rd November 2012
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If anyone has read about intermittent fasting(IF) and the claims about losing fat AND gaining muscle at the same time, I can tell you that it IS possible!

I've been combining IF with a five day split workout for the last two months and the results have been awesome. Strength gains nearly every session and no visible fat gain. My diet has been pretty strict and I've rarely skipped a session. Diet looks like this:

1pm: Tin of tuna and mayo on two wholemeal pita breads, 50g peanut butter on one wholemeal pita bread.
6pm: 500ml ff milk, 35g protein, 50g peanut butter, 5g creatine, .5g vitamin c, banana
7pm: Workout
9pm: Changes daily, but typically some meat with rice, pasta or potatoes. If the meal doesn't have enough calories I'll top it up with a protein bar and a pint of milk if required.

I firmly believe that having a strict routine in terms of gym/diet/rest is the key to succeeding. It's when you don't know what your next meal is that you are liable to slip up and eat something you shouldn't. It might sound obvious, but when all 3 elements work in harmony you see better gains, which in turn keeps you motivated to keep going as you see the profits of your hard work.

didelydoo

5,529 posts

211 months

Friday 23rd November 2012
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deadmau5 said:
If anyone has read about intermittent fasting(IF) and the claims about losing fat AND gaining muscle at the same time, I can tell you that it IS possible!

I've been combining IF with a five day split workout for the last two months and the results have been awesome. Strength gains nearly every session and no visible fat gain. My diet has been pretty strict and I've rarely skipped a session. Diet looks like this:

1pm: Tin of tuna and mayo on two wholemeal pita breads, 50g peanut butter on one wholemeal pita bread.
6pm: 500ml ff milk, 35g protein, 50g peanut butter, 5g creatine, .5g vitamin c, banana
7pm: Workout
9pm: Changes daily, but typically some meat with rice, pasta or potatoes. If the meal doesn't have enough calories I'll top it up with a protein bar and a pint of milk if required.

I firmly believe that having a strict routine in terms of gym/diet/rest is the key to succeeding. It's when you don't know what your next meal is that you are liable to slip up and eat something you shouldn't. It might sound obvious, but when all 3 elements work in harmony you see better gains, which in turn keeps you motivated to keep going as you see the profits of your hard work.
Are you gaining weight, or just strength?

deadmau5

3,197 posts

181 months

Friday 23rd November 2012
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Half a pound a week consistently.

theshrew

6,008 posts

185 months

Friday 23rd November 2012
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How many calories is all that ? At a glance must be a fair amount.

Also have you only just started working out ? Or been at it a while

deadmau5

3,197 posts

181 months

Friday 23rd November 2012
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I've been taking it seriously for about 2 years. Going for a mixture of strength and size. Previously I only trained 3 times a week, I think the added volume is what's had the greatest effect. I'm 6'4", 14st 2lbs, 170kg deadlift, 85kg MP, 125kg bench.

theshrew

6,008 posts

185 months

Monday 26th November 2012
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I think if it works for you then stick at it - happy days

theshrew

6,008 posts

185 months

Monday 26th November 2012
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So a little update from me.

Really enjoying working out at the moment.

Seem to be getting stronger think using free weights more has really helped. I missed a morning session last Monday so went the poo gym near my house mon night better thsn doing nothing. Smashed a PB on Real Delts on the peck deck even tho I've not used that machine for ages.

Also Got a PB on Bench Press on Sat night that was after I'd ran 7k so was well chuffed.

The downside - I'm putting on weight and not in a good way. Although I have started eating more I've not changed that for a few months still below 2000csls. The weight seems to have piled on the last few weeks since having the stuff from the Docs the old tummy has grown loads + I'm drinking lots more which I suppose adds to the problem

Hoofy

76,448 posts

283 months

Monday 26th November 2012
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Drinking lots more beer? Then you will get lardy. Drinking lots more water? That won't create water retention.

theshrew

6,008 posts

185 months

Monday 26th November 2012
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Water ( well cordial cant stand just water ) drinking loads more always thirsty which is bloating me up and im not really peeing more so must be holding the water, apart from when i do cardio sweat is pooring out of me like crazy.

Hoofy

76,448 posts

283 months

Monday 26th November 2012
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theshrew said:
Water ( well cordial cant stand just water ) drinking loads more always thirsty which is bloating me up and im not really peeing more so must be holding the water, apart from when i do cardio sweat is pooring out of me like crazy.
That isn't the fault of water. It could be the meds or it could be that you're eating too much salt.

theshrew

6,008 posts

185 months

Tuesday 27th November 2012
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Pretty sure it's zee meds as it started at the same time. It's rubbish walking around like Mr Greedy :-(

I had a good session this morning. Shoulders feel hoofed now. Did some drop sets with pretty much no rest = Burnage. Then squeezed in a 20min fast paced run.

Lunch time will be swiming, normally a minimum of 1/2 mile. I won't be able to do crawl today me thinks.

I had a few mins spare before i had to get to work today so had a try at doing a Squat for the first time using the bar - It didnt feel right at all and i was pushing up off the balls of my feet, Supposed to be the heels isnt it ?

I'm supposed to be a meeting at work today and Tomo but I've managed to get out of going just because I'd miss my workouts + I'd spend most of the time trying to stay awake lol




Edited by theshrew on Tuesday 27th November 09:24