What Are Your Gym/Fitness/Routine Moans?
Discussion
TheJimi said:
Coupla badasses here!
Actually, no, you're both just regurgitating an old piece of gym snobbery.
And you’re being all clever. Smith Machines are largely redundant piles of crap that take up space and prevent people learning how to lift properly.Actually, no, you're both just regurgitating an old piece of gym snobbery.
They can also be useful in a few specific circumstances. But that doesn’t detract from them being a very bad thing in general.
ORD said:
TheJimi said:
Coupla badasses here!
Actually, no, you're both just regurgitating an old piece of gym snobbery.
And you’re being all clever. Smith Machines are largely redundant piles of crap that take up space and prevent people learning how to lift properly.Actually, no, you're both just regurgitating an old piece of gym snobbery.
They can also be useful in a few specific circumstances. But that doesn’t detract from them being a very bad thing in general.
ORD said:
TheJimi said:
Coupla badasses here!
Actually, no, you're both just regurgitating an old piece of gym snobbery.
And you’re being all clever. Smith Machines are largely redundant piles of crap that take up space and prevent people learning how to lift properly.Actually, no, you're both just regurgitating an old piece of gym snobbery.
They can also be useful in a few specific circumstances. But that doesn’t detract from them being a very bad thing in general.
ks. Someone squatting or benching on the smith is no less legit than someone deadlifting on an oly platform.
Secondly, I’m not being all clever at all. The smith DOES have it’s place, like just almost any other piece of gym kit – to varying degrees. Is a free barbell superior, yes, of course it is, but that’s not what is in contention here.
popeyewhite said:
It's the people that misuse the Smith. In itself it's very safe piece of equipment.
True. But I would say it invites misuse because it looks like an easy way to do hard things, which it isn’t. My real objection is that they take up space that would almost always be better used by adding another rack. How many gyms have 1,2 or 3 Smith Machines and then only 1 or 2 racks?
Would anyone seriously add a SM to a home gym?
ORD said:
popeyewhite said:
It's the people that misuse the Smith. In itself it's very safe piece of equipment.
True. But I would say it invites misuse because it looks like an easy way to do hard things, which it isn’t. My real objection is that they take up space that would almost always be better used by adding another rack. How many gyms have 1,2 or 3 Smith Machines and then only 1 or 2 racks?
Would anyone seriously add a SM to a home gym?
My shoulders are knackered and it's the only heavy pressing movement I consider safe enough.
ORD said:
popeyewhite said:
It's the people that misuse the Smith. In itself it's very safe piece of equipment.
True. But I would say it invites misuse because it looks like an easy way to do hard things, which it isn’t. Ok, so where do we draw the line with that logic?
We’ve all seen folk squatting or deadlifting a weight that’s way too heavy for them, with deteriorated form. That makes squats and deads inherently bad then, doesn’t it?
Just like the smith.
Ditto bicep curls, ditto barbell bench press, ditto…any exercise.
Oh and the irony? I don't even use the f
king thing!Edited by TheJimi on Thursday 6th September 14:17
I don't use smith myself, but now, post pec tear, it'd be a very useful piece of equipment...still not used it, but for calves it's ace.
I suppose it's be good for high ulls and split squats, bnp
I suppose it's be good for high ulls and split squats, bnp
Zod said:
I hate the feeling of presses on the Smith. It feels unnatural to beheld to a flat upwards plane.
straight? a press is meant to be straight.
TheJimi said:
Zod said:
chris4652009 said:
People who use the Smith machine for squats
or bench pressesActually, no, you're both just regurgitating an old piece of gym snobbery.
I'd only just seen this thread , the title asked for my "Gym/Fitness/Routine Moans" . So I gave them .
Feel free to carry on though, it's kind of arousing
chris4652009 said:
TheJimi said:
Zod said:
chris4652009 said:
People who use the Smith machine for squats
or bench pressesActually, no, you're both just regurgitating an old piece of gym snobbery.
I'd only just seen this thread , the title asked for my "Gym/Fitness/Routine Moans" . So I gave them .
Feel free to carry on though, it's kind of arousing
So why, then, are you moaning about people squatting using the Smith machine, when that is a perfectly legitimate use of the machine?
Do you also moan about people squatting in a power rack?
Halb said:
I don't use smith myself, but now, post pec tear, it'd be a very useful piece of equipment...still not used it, but for calves it's ace.
I suppose it's be good for high ulls and split squats, bnp
Surely you get the point of doing free weights?I suppose it's be good for high ulls and split squats, bnp
Zod said:
I hate the feeling of presses on the Smith. It feels unnatural to beheld to a flat upwards plane.
straight? a press is meant to be straight.Smith machines should be used as essentially a multiple purpose machine. You do you bench press and inclines with a barbell/dumbbells, you do your flys and then you use the chest press machine or smith machine or destroy what you’ve got left of your chest.
Squatting on a smith should be avoided as it enforces incorrect movement patterns.
Squatting on a smith should be avoided as it enforces incorrect movement patterns.
Regiment said:
Smith machines should be used as essentially a multiple purpose machine. You do you bench press and inclines with a barbell/dumbbells, you do your flys and then you use the chest press machine or smith machine or destroy what you’ve got left of your chest.
Squatting on a smith should be avoided as it enforces incorrect movement patterns.
Exactly that^^ thank you Squatting on a smith should be avoided as it enforces incorrect movement patterns.
chris4652009 said:
Regiment said:
Smith machines should be used as essentially a multiple purpose machine. You do you bench press and inclines with a barbell/dumbbells, you do your flys and then you use the chest press machine or smith machine or destroy what you’ve got left of your chest.
Squatting on a smith should be avoided as it enforces incorrect movement patterns.
Exactly that^^ thank you Squatting on a smith should be avoided as it enforces incorrect movement patterns.
With regard to bench press, I can see how it might mimic a competition press, which is simply a 'shortest path from A to B' movement.
But for those of us who weight train for 'pleasure' - and I gladly caveat this with #IMO and #BroScience, as I'm no expert - in order to stop elbows flaring and potential damage to the rotator cuff during the press, I want a slight arc in the bar path on a bench press. A Smith machine would prevent the natural movement of the ball socket.
Given it's a machine I'd never queue for, I couldn't give a stuff what other people do on it though
V8mate said:
Is my take too. I only ever use it for lighter weight AMRAP/shoulder exhaustion at the end of shoulder day. It's a proper 'core dodger' of a machine.
With regard to bench press, I can see how it might mimic a competition press, which is simply a 'shortest path from A to B' movement.
But for those of us who weight train for 'pleasure' - and I gladly caveat this with #IMO and #BroScience, as I'm no expert - in order to stop elbows flaring and potential damage to the rotator cuff during the press, I want a slight arc in the bar path on a bench press. A Smith machine would prevent the natural movement of the ball socket.
Given it's a machine I'd never queue for, I couldn't give a stuff what other people do on it though
A SM press is nothing like a competition bench press. The best benchers push the bar towards their face as early as they can in the movement, having touched fairly low on the chest, giving the bar anything but a straight path. With regard to bench press, I can see how it might mimic a competition press, which is simply a 'shortest path from A to B' movement.
But for those of us who weight train for 'pleasure' - and I gladly caveat this with #IMO and #BroScience, as I'm no expert - in order to stop elbows flaring and potential damage to the rotator cuff during the press, I want a slight arc in the bar path on a bench press. A Smith machine would prevent the natural movement of the ball socket.
Given it's a machine I'd never queue for, I couldn't give a stuff what other people do on it though
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