Getting a nice physique

[BenM77]

Hoofy said:

Bottom line is: every time you hear a diet tip, research it before believing it. Apparently, you need to eat healthily to lose weight.

Hoofy I know you are basing your comments on the basic math that calorie deficit = weight loss and it is no the first time you have commented as such so I will bite.

Eating an unhealthy diet but at a calorie deficit is not a good thing to promote, the body needs good nutrition for many health reasons not just for weight loss/gain.

Look at the supersize me experiment, it wasn't just because he was eating in excess that affected his liver and kidney functions but because he was eating crap.

You are what you eat Hoofy, eating processed poor nutrition food at a calorie deficit may get you thin but thin isn't everything.

[LordGrover]

I too have kept quiet.
Do no eat st, even if within your calorific requirements. It's just plain silly when there are plentiful healthy options.

[Hoofy]

BenM77 said:

Hoofy I know you are basing your comments on the basic math that calorie deficit = weight loss and it is no the first time you have commented as such so I will bite.

Eating an unhealthy diet but at a calorie deficit is not a good thing to promote, the body needs good nutrition for many health reasons not just for weight loss/gain.

Look at the supersize me experiment, it wasn't just because he was eating in excess that affected his liver and kidney functions but because he was eating crap.

You are what you eat Hoofy, eating processed poor nutrition food at a calorie deficit may get you thin but thin isn't everything.

Obviously!

But people think that they need to eat healthily so cut out everything and then fall off the wagon very quickly. I'm trying to get people to understand how their bodies work.

As for Supersize Me, watch Fat Head which does the same thing but gets the opposite results.

[Hoofy]

LordGrover said:

I too have kept quiet.
Do no eat st, even if within your calorific requirements. It's just plain silly when there are plentiful healthy options.

I wish you both wouldn't stay quiet. I want to get a debate going on it. Anyway, later, though, because I've got a packet of Ryvita to eat with my cottage cheese for Sunday Lunch.

[mcelliott]

BenM77 said:

You are what you eat Hoofy, eating processed poor nutrition food at a calorie deficit may get you thin but thin isn't everything.

Maybe he's gunning for the rapey face chav look

[Hoofy]

mcelliott said:

Maybe he's gunning for the rapey face chav look

That probably comes from cigarettes and sunbathing. And alcohol. All of which ruin your skin as well as your internal bits.

Edited by Hoofy on Sunday 13th January 12:09

[BenM77]

Hoofy said:

BenM77 said:

Hoofy I know you are basing your comments on the basic math that calorie deficit = weight loss and it is no the first time you have commented as such so I will bite.

Eating an unhealthy diet but at a calorie deficit is not a good thing to promote, the body needs good nutrition for many health reasons not just for weight loss/gain.

Look at the supersize me experiment, it wasn't just because he was eating in excess that affected his liver and kidney functions but because he was eating crap.

You are what you eat Hoofy, eating processed poor nutrition food at a calorie deficit may get you thin but thin isn't everything.

Obviously!

But people think that they need to eat healthily so cut out everything and then fall off the wagon very quickly. I'm trying to get people to understand how their bodies work.

As for Supersize Me, watch Fat Head which does the same thing but gets the opposite results.

It is bks.

The NHS are not wrong when they give out their dietary information. A friend of mine had to change his diet drastically for gout and high cholesterol, he followed the sheet and stopped eating the mountain of saturated fats and it has worked.


You have been deliberately provocative with your views Hoofy and I am pretty sure you've been fishing for this argument. I am just putting my point across incase people actually think a diet of kebabs is good for you as long as it is on a deficit, because you and I both know it is not.

[BenM77]

mcelliott said:

BenM77 said:

You are what you eat Hoofy, eating processed poor nutrition food at a calorie deficit may get you thin but thin isn't everything.

Maybe he's gunning for the rapey face chav look

[Hoofy]

BenM77 said:

It is bks.

The NHS are not wrong when they give out their dietary information. A friend of mine had to change his diet drastically for gout and high cholesterol, he followed the sheet and stopped eating the mountain of saturated fats and it has worked.


You have been deliberately provocative with your views Hoofy and I am pretty sure you've been fishing for this argument. I am just putting my point across incase people actually think a diet of kebabs is good for you as long as it is on a deficit, because you and I both know it is not.

I've never said it was good for you. I've even hinted that I'm not crazy enough to eat a kebab diet.

Thing is, when someone is looking to lose weight, they would be happy if they were a few dress sizes smaller. They aren't looking to look like a Crossfit Games champ. They are currently eating really badly. They think they have to drop all unhealthy food. They don't like healthy food. They will suffer for a month then go back to their previous lifestyle or try a fad diet yet again. All they had to do was cut down and change one or two things to lead a slightly more healthy lifestyle.

And over time they will transform their lifestyle.

Edited by Hoofy on Sunday 13th January 12:48

[BenM77]

Hoofy said:

BenM77 said:

It is bks.

The NHS are not wrong when they give out their dietary information. A friend of mine had to change his diet drastically for gout and high cholesterol, he followed the sheet and stopped eating the mountain of saturated fats and it has worked.


You have been deliberately provocative with your views Hoofy and I am pretty sure you've been fishing for this argument. I am just putting my point across incase people actually think a diet of kebabs is good for you as long as it is on a deficit, because you and I both know it is not.

I've never said it was good for you. I've even hinted that I'm not crazy enough to eat a kebab diet.

I know mate but think about the things you have put on here. It is not good information when you write things like 'you don't need to eat healthily to lose weight'.

It is similar to giving advice on weight loss and saying cardio/exercise is unnecessary as long as you are on a deficit. Again it is not good information, exercise is key to being fit and healthy inside and out with losing weight being an added bonus.

I know you don't practice the kebab diet so you shouldn't preach it.

[BenM77]

Hoofy said:

BenM77 said:

It is bks.

The NHS are not wrong when they give out their dietary information. A friend of mine had to change his diet drastically for gout and high cholesterol, he followed the sheet and stopped eating the mountain of saturated fats and it has worked.


You have been deliberately provocative with your views Hoofy and I am pretty sure you've been fishing for this argument. I am just putting my point across incase people actually think a diet of kebabs is good for you as long as it is on a deficit, because you and I both know it is not.

I've never said it was good for you. I've even hinted that I'm not crazy enough to eat a kebab diet.

I know mate but think about the things you have put on here. It is not good information when you write things like 'you don't need to eat healthily to lose weight'.

It is similar to giving advice on weight loss and saying cardio/exercise is unnecessary as long as you are on a deficit. Again it is not good information, exercise is key to being fit and healthy inside and out with losing weight being an added bonus.

I know you don't practice the kebab diet so you shouldn't preach it.

[BenM77]

Hoofy said:

BenM77 said:

It is bks.

The NHS are not wrong when they give out their dietary information. A friend of mine had to change his diet drastically for gout and high cholesterol, he followed the sheet and stopped eating the mountain of saturated fats and it has worked.


You have been deliberately provocative with your views Hoofy and I am pretty sure you've been fishing for this argument. I am just putting my point across incase people actually think a diet of kebabs is good for you as long as it is on a deficit, because you and I both know it is not.

I've never said it was good for you. I've even hinted that I'm not crazy enough to eat a kebab diet.

I know mate but think about the things you have put on here. It is not good information when you write things like 'you don't need to eat healthily to lose weight'.

It is similar to giving advice on weight loss and saying cardio/exercise is unnecessary as long as you are on a deficit. Again it is not good information, exercise is key to being fit and healthy inside and out with losing weight being an added bonus.

I know you don't practice the kebab diet so you shouldn't preach it.

[Hoofy]

BenM77 said:

I know mate but think about the things you have put on here. It is not good information when you write things like 'you don't need to eat healthily to lose weight'.

It is similar to giving advice on weight loss and saying cardio/exercise is unnecessary as long as you are on a deficit. Again it is not good information, exercise is key to being fit and healthy inside and out with losing weight being an added bonus.

I know you don't practice the kebab diet so you shouldn't preach it.

Ha. I'm not preaching it as such. Just want someone to go through with it.

Exercise does help but it isn't necessary. Plenty of people have lost weight by eating with a deficit. And neither is weightlifting!

Yes, it's not good info, but it's not wrong info.

PS In contrast to what I'm saying, there's a sale on at Holland and Barrett - http://www.hollandandbarrett.com/pages/categories.... I've got so many bags of nuts and seeds at the moment.

[bonkbonk]

Gwagon111 said:

Eating large, carb rich meals, followed by deliberate sleep / inactivity, is how Sumo wrestlers bulk up. So we know that eating followed by inactivity is a poor idea, unless you want to put weight on.

That might seem logical but it's not backed by science, in fact, the research on cortisol levels and insulin response to eating suggests quite the opposite. Personally speaking I eat almost all of my carbohydrate in a big evening meal and have no trouble maintaining a pretty good physique.

[Flibble]

Gwagon111 said:

Eating large, carb rich meals, followed by deliberate sleep / inactivity, is how Sumo wrestlers bulk up. So we know that eating followed by inactivity is a poor idea, unless you want to put weight on.

If you eat an excess of calories you will bulk up. Timing isn't a large factor in that. It' also a lot easier to eat excess calories as carbs rather than protein or fat.

[HonestIago]

Flibble said:

Gwagon111 said:

Eating large, carb rich meals, followed by deliberate sleep / inactivity, is how Sumo wrestlers bulk up. So we know that eating followed by inactivity is a poor idea, unless you want to put weight on.

If you eat an excess of calories you will bulk up. Timing isn't a large factor in that. It' also a lot easier to eat excess calories as carbs rather than protein or fat.

I agree with the first part of what you said, but would argue its easier eating excess calories from fat than carbs (9cals vs 4cals per gram).

[Gwagon111]

HonestIago said:

I agree with the first part of what you said, but would argue its easier eating excess calories from fat than carbs (9cals vs 4cals per gram).

Yep, fats are right at top of the calorie hierachy. I believe it's alcohol next, then refined sugars, then other carbs, then complex sugars.

[LordGrover]

9, 8, 4, 4.
Fat, Alcohol, Carbs, Protein.

[Hoofy]

I get the feeling we know all know LG's PIN now.

[LordGrover]