Effing cancer is an effing effer, frankly
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Mrs Muttleysnoop said:
The first time I was diagnosed with advanced cancer I had been told by my local hospital for 2 1/2 years that there was nothing wrong with me. I then pushed for further investigation and guess what, I had a massive complex mass with a very poor prognosis. I have had further joys of cancer but have been diagnosed and treated quickly.
That’s truly scary . Hope you have battled through it all ok ? Can I ask what stage are you at with everything now ? FocusRS3 said:
I fully appreciate it’s not the most important thing on your mind but an employer can’t sack someone for being off I’ll with cancer .
Let them go ahead and do then go to s solicitor .
That’s most definitely unfair dismissal at the very least .
Great news with the treatment more importantly
I don't think that's correct. People can be ill with cancer for months, years even. There's no way an employer is obligated to keep someone on for that length of time if they weren't available for work. Let them go ahead and do then go to s solicitor .
That’s most definitely unfair dismissal at the very least .
Great news with the treatment more importantly
On the other hand, if you tell them you've been diagnosed with cancer and you'll need some time off for treatment, and they just sack you on the spot, that wouldn't be allowed. Unless you were within your first 2 years of employment, and then they can basically do as they please.
After 2 years of employment, it all comes down to what's reasonable. But bottom line, and employer can sack someone for poor attendance, having gone thru the correct procedures. Even if they have cancer.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I don't think that's correct. People can be ill with cancer for months, years even. There's no way an employer is obligated to keep someone on for that length of time if they weren't available for work.
On the other hand, if you tell them you've been diagnosed with cancer and you'll need some time off for treatment, and they just sack you on the spot, that wouldn't be allowed. Unless you were within your first 2 years of employment, and then they can basically do as they please.
After 2 years of employment, it all comes down to what's reasonable. But bottom line, and employer can sack someone for poor attendance, having gone thru the correct procedures. Even if they have cancer.
I’m not an expert, other than having had cancer, but my understanding is that cancer and associated effects are treated as a disability, and therefore an employer is expected to consider making reasonable adjustments. This does not require 2 years of employment. More information here https://www.macmillan.org.uk/documents/getinvolved...On the other hand, if you tell them you've been diagnosed with cancer and you'll need some time off for treatment, and they just sack you on the spot, that wouldn't be allowed. Unless you were within your first 2 years of employment, and then they can basically do as they please.
After 2 years of employment, it all comes down to what's reasonable. But bottom line, and employer can sack someone for poor attendance, having gone thru the correct procedures. Even if they have cancer.
Having said this, one would hope that pragmatically the line manager or HR person involved would recognise that cancer is something that one day could affect them or anyone else, and in the interests of being a good workplace, being helpful pays dividends and is visible to other employees, customers etc., who may have experienced similar...
In my own situation my employer let me have an extended period off on full pay (they did not have to but did the right thing). A year later I relapsed and was not going to be able to carry on my duties, which required lots of travel, so I did the right thing and resigned so they could keep the business moving.
I’m now well and in new employment in a great job closer to home, things work out, do not get too stressed whilst ill, focus on getting through the present first.
Edited by Biggles111 on Sunday 28th January 09:52
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I don't think that's correct. People can be ill with cancer for months, years even. There's no way an employer is obligated to keep someone on for that length of time if they weren't available for work.
On the other hand, if you tell them you've been diagnosed with cancer and you'll need some time off for treatment, and they just sack you on the spot, that wouldn't be allowed. Unless you were within your first 2 years of employment, and then they can basically do as they please.
After 2 years of employment, it all comes down to what's reasonable. But bottom line, and employer can sack someone for poor attendance, having gone thru the correct procedures. Even if they have cancer.
Bigger companies have insurance where after w while they hand you over to the insurer where you get paid a % of your salary is the norm . On the other hand, if you tell them you've been diagnosed with cancer and you'll need some time off for treatment, and they just sack you on the spot, that wouldn't be allowed. Unless you were within your first 2 years of employment, and then they can basically do as they please.
After 2 years of employment, it all comes down to what's reasonable. But bottom line, and employer can sack someone for poor attendance, having gone thru the correct procedures. Even if they have cancer.
Does vary i suppose
It is 100% right that a cancer diagnosis does trigger rights equivalent to disability rights.
A few years ago my old employer treated me appallingly while I was going through a tough time. Things have worked out ok at the moment but I always regret not having the book thrown at that company. At the time I just had other things to focus on but all my time off was unpaid and I was not allowed back on light duties following surgery I was advised to come back only when I was 100% fit. I never felt it was right but I just left rather than have another fight.
A few years ago my old employer treated me appallingly while I was going through a tough time. Things have worked out ok at the moment but I always regret not having the book thrown at that company. At the time I just had other things to focus on but all my time off was unpaid and I was not allowed back on light duties following surgery I was advised to come back only when I was 100% fit. I never felt it was right but I just left rather than have another fight.
When my friend was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer (and knew it was likely to be terminal) her boss (my ex boss) pretty much allowed her to call the shots on what she wanted to work depending on how she felt. My friend being ever dedicated and her job being an extension of her family really, continued to come in for work until 2 weeks before she died but sometimes it would be just one day etc.
It would be nice to think that everyone got that sort of support but I know that is not always they case.
It would be nice to think that everyone got that sort of support but I know that is not always they case.
Pete 102 said:
Really wish I was posting here as an outsider looking in, rather than a Grandson who's Grandma is in the grasp of grade 4b Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma frown.
To say she's taken a turn for the worst over the past six months is an understatement and to make things worse there's a vicious case of COPD thown into the mix.
She's been in a specialist oncology hospital for the past 2 weeks which has been absolutely fking fantastic and I'm in awe of the work they do. As it currently stands she's 'critically balanced' (doctors words) over the next 48 hours.
To repeat the title of this thread, cancer is indeed an 'effing effer' frown.
The biggest thing I'm struggling with at the minute is witnessing the impact on my Mum, Auntie, Uncle etc. Absolutely soul destroying.
To say she's taken a turn for the worst over the past six months is an understatement and to make things worse there's a vicious case of COPD thown into the mix.
She's been in a specialist oncology hospital for the past 2 weeks which has been absolutely fking fantastic and I'm in awe of the work they do. As it currently stands she's 'critically balanced' (doctors words) over the next 48 hours.
To repeat the title of this thread, cancer is indeed an 'effing effer' frown.
The biggest thing I'm struggling with at the minute is witnessing the impact on my Mum, Auntie, Uncle etc. Absolutely soul destroying.
FocusRS3 said:
Really sorry to hear this .
The impact on others must be terrible for them too . It’s often those left behind that suffer for long periods too .
After a tough couple of days my Gran passed away peacefully on Friday morning surrounded by her daughters, myself and my brother. The impact on others must be terrible for them too . It’s often those left behind that suffer for long periods too .
Devastating.
. Pete102 said:
After a tough couple of days my Gran passed away peacefully on Friday morning surrounded by her daughters, myself and my brother.
Devastating..
Sorry for your loss mate . Devastating.
. Cancer certainly is an effer.
My wife met with a lady y’day who does fortune telling . After discussing my wife and our family my wife asked about her.
She told my wife she had terminal cancer and was soon to return to Ireland to be with her family .
My wife said She was no older than mid 50’s. She said she felt terrible having sat and listened to the woman discuss all of us and never mentioned her situation until my wife asked her.
It’s going be hard on her family over in Ireland knowing that she is returning to spend what time she has left with them.
Never easy.....
FocusRS3 said:
Mrs Muttleysnoop said:
The first time I was diagnosed with advanced cancer I had been told by my local hospital for 2 1/2 years that there was nothing wrong with me. I then pushed for further investigation and guess what, I had a massive complex mass with a very poor prognosis. I have had further joys of cancer but have been diagnosed and treated quickly.
That’s truly scary . Hope you have battled through it all ok ? Can I ask what stage are you at with everything now ? Mrs Muttleysnoop said:
I am left with serious problems due to the chemo I have had but I treat each day as a challenge. My oncologist said he cannot cure me.
Sorry to hear that - stay mentally strong - so much can be done to extend years.Pete102 said:
After a tough couple of days my Gran passed away peacefully on Friday morning surrounded by her daughters, myself and my brother.
Devastating..
Sorry to hear that Pete.Devastating.
. boobles said:
Really worried to ask but does anyone know how toomanysheds is doing?
Yeah, very sad to read his last post. fridaypassion said:
It is 100% right that a cancer diagnosis does trigger rights equivalent to disability rights.
Indeed it does, but those rights require an employee to act reasonably, to make reasonable adjustments to your workplace etc. But be under no illusions, it can be that the adjustments you require are not deemed to be reasonable. It depends on circumstances. A small company on the 2nd floor of an old building would not be legally obliged to put in a lift just because you requested on due to your disability. Also, if you are unable to return to work for an extended period, and your employer is willing to help you return, but you just aren't fit enough, they can dismiss you. Reasonableness has it's limits. If you do a job that you can't do from home, and you're going to be unable to get to work for a year or so, it isn't deemed reasonable in law that they have to keep you on.
boobles said:
Really worried to ask but does anyone know how toomanysheds is doing?
Hiya Boobies :-)Only just seen this as I dont surf the net as much.
But I am still here and kicking (well still here at least).
Still incurable, but beat my sell by date of Christmas :-)
Now I pretty much house and bed bound, manage the mile to Tesco every few weeks, still wish I had had a chance to drive a V8, but I got my 1988 Volvo 740 on the road and MOTed last year which brings me great joy.
Thanks for your thoughts, and wish my best to anyone going through similar or caring for someone going through similar, its a s
t time but we get through it as best we can.Cheers Andy
Too Many Sheds is now 1 1988 Volvo (the year I passed my test) and with huge embarrassment a Hundai I10 !!
TooManySheds said:
boobles said:
Really worried to ask but does anyone know how toomanysheds is doing?
Hiya Boobies :-)Only just seen this as I dont surf the net as much.
But I am still here and kicking (well still here at least).
Still incurable, but beat my sell by date of Christmas :-)
Now I pretty much house and bed bound, manage the mile to Tesco every few weeks, still wish I had had a chance to drive a V8, but I got my 1988 Volvo 740 on the road and MOTed last year which brings me great joy.
Thanks for your thoughts, and wish my best to anyone going through similar or caring for someone going through similar, its a s
t time but we get through it as best we can.Cheers Andy
Too Many Sheds is now 1 1988 Volvo (the year I passed my test) and with huge embarrassment a Hundai I10 !!
It worries me when people don't have a large network around (though I appreciate that you may be very comfortable with that!), my friend who passed last year was living on her own and could be someone who kept herself to herself but she did have good friends, her Mum and was able to continue to work until a few weeks before her cancer got too bad for her. She lived a fair way from me but we regularly chatted by phone, text, messenger!
Hoping you are as comfortable as can be expected a day as an ex (and proud) Allegro owner I will never laugh at anothers car history/ collection!!
TooManySheds said:
boobles said:
Really worried to ask but does anyone know how toomanysheds is doing?
Hiya Boobies :-)Only just seen this as I dont surf the net as much.
But I am still here and kicking (well still here at least).
Still incurable, but beat my sell by date of Christmas :-)
Now I pretty much house and bed bound, manage the mile to Tesco every few weeks, still wish I had had a chance to drive a V8, but I got my 1988 Volvo 740 on the road and MOTed last year which brings me great joy.
Thanks for your thoughts, and wish my best to anyone going through similar or caring for someone going through similar, its a s
t time but we get through it as best we can.Cheers Andy
Too Many Sheds is now 1 1988 Volvo (the year I passed my test) and with huge embarrassment a Hundai I10 !!
TooManySheds said:
Hiya Boobies :-)
Only just seen this as I dont surf the net as much.
But I am still here and kicking (well still here at least).
Still incurable, but beat my sell by date of Christmas :-)
Now I pretty much house and bed bound, manage the mile to Tesco every few weeks, still wish I had had a chance to drive a V8, but I got my 1988 Volvo 740 on the road and MOTed last year which brings me great joy.
Thanks for your thoughts, and wish my best to anyone going through similar or caring for someone going through similar, its a st time but we get through it as best we can.
Cheers Andy
Too Many Sheds is now 1 1988 Volvo (the year I passed my test) and with huge embarrassment a Hundai I10 !!
Good for you Andy good to see your post Only just seen this as I dont surf the net as much.
But I am still here and kicking (well still here at least).
Still incurable, but beat my sell by date of Christmas :-)
Now I pretty much house and bed bound, manage the mile to Tesco every few weeks, still wish I had had a chance to drive a V8, but I got my 1988 Volvo 740 on the road and MOTed last year which brings me great joy.
Thanks for your thoughts, and wish my best to anyone going through similar or caring for someone going through similar, its a s
t time but we get through it as best we can.Cheers Andy
Too Many Sheds is now 1 1988 Volvo (the year I passed my test) and with huge embarrassment a Hundai I10 !!
TooManySheds said:
Still incurable, but beat my sell by date of Christmas :-)
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Too Many Sheds is now 1 1988 Volvo (the year I passed my test) and with huge embarrassment a Hundai I10 !!
Good to hear from you chum. Your first comment about sell-by date made me smile; good on yer! The second comment suggest a name change might be in order! .
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Too Many Sheds is now 1 1988 Volvo (the year I passed my test) and with huge embarrassment a Hundai I10 !!
Keep smiling, and shout here if you need any help with anything.
TooManySheds said:
Hiya Boobies :-)
Only just seen this as I dont surf the net as much.
But I am still here and kicking (well still here at least).
Still incurable, but beat my sell by date of Christmas :-)
Now I pretty much house and bed bound, manage the mile to Tesco every few weeks, still wish I had had a chance to drive a V8, but I got my 1988 Volvo 740 on the road and MOTed last year which brings me great joy.
Thanks for your thoughts, and wish my best to anyone going through similar or caring for someone going through similar, its a st time but we get through it as best we can.
Cheers Andy
Too Many Sheds is now 1 1988 Volvo (the year I passed my test) and with huge embarrassment a Hundai I10 !!
Great to see your post. I also often wondered how things were with you.Only just seen this as I dont surf the net as much.
But I am still here and kicking (well still here at least).
Still incurable, but beat my sell by date of Christmas :-)
Now I pretty much house and bed bound, manage the mile to Tesco every few weeks, still wish I had had a chance to drive a V8, but I got my 1988 Volvo 740 on the road and MOTed last year which brings me great joy.
Thanks for your thoughts, and wish my best to anyone going through similar or caring for someone going through similar, its a s
t time but we get through it as best we can.Cheers Andy
Too Many Sheds is now 1 1988 Volvo (the year I passed my test) and with huge embarrassment a Hundai I10 !!
Tthis really needs to be tackled! https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/health-news/5480509/... Guess it's because only older guys get it
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