What training are you doing/have you done today? Vol.2
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Well, you may be onto something there, and I have been having similar thoughts... My cardiovascular previously was excellent, and I used to cycle regularly, but have only cycled once in the last 6 months...
I was using the stationary bike at the gym up until about 2 months ago, so perhaps I need to reintroduce that?
I was using the stationary bike at the gym up until about 2 months ago, so perhaps I need to reintroduce that?
Pulse said:
Just as a quick update (in case anyone was interested), I went back to the gym yesterday. Got a small headache again at the start, but not as bad as normally. Persevered, and it went away (pretty much). No pills had to be taken afterwards, and only a small aching head after (very minor - was still able to function, whereas before I had to go to bed afterwards!).
I did get another interesting problem though. I trained as hard as I normally would, and just as I was finishing, I felt seriously sick and had to stop and lay down! I put that down to having a couple of weeks off, and my body thinking "WTF?". Also during, as I hit my chest for a second time, my whole body was shaking as I was doing the reps. Put that down to the same...
What do people think? Nothing to worry about in the latter part of my post is there?
Hate to be the voice of common sense but anything that makes you feel 'seriously sick' and gives you full body shakes should be avoided. I'd try some other kind of training, e.g bodyweight only, for a while.I did get another interesting problem though. I trained as hard as I normally would, and just as I was finishing, I felt seriously sick and had to stop and lay down! I put that down to having a couple of weeks off, and my body thinking "WTF?". Also during, as I hit my chest for a second time, my whole body was shaking as I was doing the reps. Put that down to the same...
What do people think? Nothing to worry about in the latter part of my post is there?
mcelliott said:
Great session tonight at the gym - new bench pr at 140kg for 2 reps. Smashes the old one by I think 4kg, so big improvement. I did set myself a target of 150kg by the end of the year, so on track. Fairly pleased with my condition, a little bit fatter than I was earlier in the year, but frankly I don't care. Bodyweight hovering around 76kg.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BEwYNnVMfy4/?taken-by=...
Planning to have a crack at this in the next couple of weeks - http://www.everesting.cc/the-rules/
Very impressive, 140kg for two reps at your weight is fantastic!https://www.instagram.com/p/BEwYNnVMfy4/?taken-by=...
Planning to have a crack at this in the next couple of weeks - http://www.everesting.cc/the-rules/
Back and chest again today - almost the same as Sunday's session..
Wide Grip Pull Ups (to front) - 5 x 12-8 reps
BB BOR - 4 x 12-8 reps
T-Bar Row - 4 x 12-8 reps
Seated Pulley Row - 4 x 12 reps
Rack Pull - 3x5
Medium grip chin ups - 3 x 12-10 reps
DB Pullovers - 4 x 12- 8 reps
Bench Press - 6 x 5 reps
Wide Grip Pull Ups (to front) - 5 x 12-8 reps
BB BOR - 4 x 12-8 reps
T-Bar Row - 4 x 12-8 reps
Seated Pulley Row - 4 x 12 reps
Rack Pull - 3x5
Medium grip chin ups - 3 x 12-10 reps
DB Pullovers - 4 x 12- 8 reps
Bench Press - 6 x 5 reps
Leg and arms session today, virtually the same as Monday, except less Squats.
I am always pretty rigid with my secondary's regarding rep range and sets, but for the main compounds (Squats, DL, BB Press and BP usually), I always end up doing what I think is best at the time, depending how my body reacts - sometimes it can be 4-5 sets of high(ish) reps, other times perhaps multiple sets of low reps, or a mix of both, always working towards a maximum reps. The first compound of the session can take between 15-45 minutes. Today was 15 minutes..
Today I didn't feel so good throughout the squats sets, so I just ended up doing a simple 5x5 - this felt like it was enough for today. Will see if I have more of a spark Friday, when I do them again...
All the rest was the same as Monday..
I am always pretty rigid with my secondary's regarding rep range and sets, but for the main compounds (Squats, DL, BB Press and BP usually), I always end up doing what I think is best at the time, depending how my body reacts - sometimes it can be 4-5 sets of high(ish) reps, other times perhaps multiple sets of low reps, or a mix of both, always working towards a maximum reps. The first compound of the session can take between 15-45 minutes. Today was 15 minutes..
Today I didn't feel so good throughout the squats sets, so I just ended up doing a simple 5x5 - this felt like it was enough for today. Will see if I have more of a spark Friday, when I do them again...
All the rest was the same as Monday..
Training going well just now.
At the moment I'm picking a main exercise where I fail around ~7 reps (usually a compound, going very heavy), then doing as many sets as it takes to get 30 reps. Following on from this, i'll pick 3-5 related things (depending on what i'm training) and get in loads of volume with multiple sets of 8-15. No set program, just days I train certain body parts- currently on a 5 day split, but thinking i'll up to 6 days while the getting is good. Also liking doing a lot of cable work just now too, really helping me grow.
Heavy DB rows from earlier with 115kg DB's- https://www.instagram.com/p/BE-ZRaErq3j/?taken-by=...
At the moment I'm picking a main exercise where I fail around ~7 reps (usually a compound, going very heavy), then doing as many sets as it takes to get 30 reps. Following on from this, i'll pick 3-5 related things (depending on what i'm training) and get in loads of volume with multiple sets of 8-15. No set program, just days I train certain body parts- currently on a 5 day split, but thinking i'll up to 6 days while the getting is good. Also liking doing a lot of cable work just now too, really helping me grow.
Heavy DB rows from earlier with 115kg DB's- https://www.instagram.com/p/BE-ZRaErq3j/?taken-by=...
didelydoo said:
Training going well just now.
At the moment I'm picking a main exercise where I fail around ~7 reps (usually a compound, going very heavy), then doing as many sets as it takes to get 30 reps. Following on from this, i'll pick 3-5 related things (depending on what i'm training) and get in loads of volume with multiple sets of 8-15. No set program, just days I train certain body parts- currently on a 5 day split, but thinking i'll up to 6 days while the getting is good. Also liking doing a lot of cable work just now too, really helping me grow.
Heavy DB rows from earlier with 115kg DB's- https://www.instagram.com/p/BE-ZRaErq3j/?taken-by=...
Impressive, as always!At the moment I'm picking a main exercise where I fail around ~7 reps (usually a compound, going very heavy), then doing as many sets as it takes to get 30 reps. Following on from this, i'll pick 3-5 related things (depending on what i'm training) and get in loads of volume with multiple sets of 8-15. No set program, just days I train certain body parts- currently on a 5 day split, but thinking i'll up to 6 days while the getting is good. Also liking doing a lot of cable work just now too, really helping me grow.
Heavy DB rows from earlier with 115kg DB's- https://www.instagram.com/p/BE-ZRaErq3j/?taken-by=...
I have read a lot about when to train, when not to, how long to wait until the next workout etc. I am wondering what you think. I note many articles stating that if you're on steroids, you can train longer and harder, and if not, you need to take it easier. This doesn't sit quite right with me. Surely, if you're on steroids, you will not have to train so hard (unless professional) and so often due to the drugs giving you a huge advantage (arguably, relatively short term). If you train completely free of steroids, much more time, frequency and effort (and patience) is needed, together with keeping diet on point, I would have thought..
chris watton said:
Impressive, as always!
I have read a lot about when to train, when not to, how long to wait until the next workout etc. I am wondering what you think. I note many articles stating that if you're on steroids, you can train longer and harder, and if not, you need to take it easier. This doesn't sit quite right with me. Surely, if you're on steroids, you will not have to train so hard (unless professional) and so often due to the drugs giving you a huge advantage (arguably, relatively short term). If you train completely free of steroids, much more time, frequency and effort (and patience) is needed, together with keeping diet on point, I would have thought..
So much conflicting info around it's hard to figure out what's best...generally, I think you can train as frequently as you want, provided you're not working with max loads all the time, and not hitting failure consistently. May take a bit of time to acclimatize to the frequency though. For strength, staying in the 50-80% max load range for 3-8 reps for say 5 sets per exercise would allow to train most days- taxing, but not too taxing- a balance between training and recovery. If you're train to grow, as a natural, I think a similar approach could be taken, perhaps with some failure sets thrown in here and there, along with some pump stuff. This approach is sensible and effective, though perhaps not the most exciting. I like to hit heavy singles, mixed in with drop sets and everything in between- but this is my way of training, which is probably a bit odd.I have read a lot about when to train, when not to, how long to wait until the next workout etc. I am wondering what you think. I note many articles stating that if you're on steroids, you can train longer and harder, and if not, you need to take it easier. This doesn't sit quite right with me. Surely, if you're on steroids, you will not have to train so hard (unless professional) and so often due to the drugs giving you a huge advantage (arguably, relatively short term). If you train completely free of steroids, much more time, frequency and effort (and patience) is needed, together with keeping diet on point, I would have thought..
If I had a home gym, with all the kit, I'd 100% be daily training (mostly because it's fun though!)
I think with steroids, you'll grow without training so hard providing diet is ok- but if that's the aim, you've no business taking steroids IMO. I think the point/advantage of steroids is to recover faster, train harder and more often so you see a proper benefit. For a natural to train with a user, assuming both start at the same strength level, they simply won't be able to keep up strength/recovery wise after a small amount of time, given the same loads.
I tend to train as frequently as I can handle, 4-6 days a week depending on enthusiasm, upping the loads/reps, then often burning out after around 10 weeks as I seem to mentally loose focus for a fortnight..... then I repeat. The 2 week rest/burnout I guess as akin to a forced deload.
But yes, as you said- If you train completely free of steroids, much more time, frequency and patience is needed- though I think the effort may be the same as, if not greater with users, as they really can push knowing that they'll recover for the next session. Though as mentioned, even if they don't push quite as hard, they'll still grow/get stronger faster. As an aside- There's a guy at my gym who takes all sorts, in relatively big doses i'm told; his training looks awful, light, low reps, bizarre split, no apparent effort, nonsense- he looks the same as he did 3 years ago!
didelydoo said:
militantmandy said:
I think the idea is that steroids allow you to train harder and more often due to improved recovery which in turn means heaps more gainz.
That's my uneducated understanding!
Sums it up better than my longwinded post!That's my uneducated understanding!
didelydoo said:
Training going well just now.
At the moment I'm picking a main exercise where I fail around ~7 reps (usually a compound, going very heavy), then doing as many sets as it takes to get 30 reps. Following on from this, i'll pick 3-5 related things (depending on what i'm training) and get in loads of volume with multiple sets of 8-15. No set program, just days I train certain body parts- currently on a 5 day split, but thinking i'll up to 6 days while the getting is good. Also liking doing a lot of cable work just now too, really helping me grow.
Heavy DB rows from earlier with 115kg DB's- https://www.instagram.com/p/BE-ZRaErq3j/?taken-by=...
Wish we had ones as heavy at our gym here. Only go up to 60kg and can rep away until fitness makes me stop!At the moment I'm picking a main exercise where I fail around ~7 reps (usually a compound, going very heavy), then doing as many sets as it takes to get 30 reps. Following on from this, i'll pick 3-5 related things (depending on what i'm training) and get in loads of volume with multiple sets of 8-15. No set program, just days I train certain body parts- currently on a 5 day split, but thinking i'll up to 6 days while the getting is good. Also liking doing a lot of cable work just now too, really helping me grow.
Heavy DB rows from earlier with 115kg DB's- https://www.instagram.com/p/BE-ZRaErq3j/?taken-by=...
Back and chest again today - almost the same as Tuesday's session. Felt very achy as usual, but as always, once the first couple of sets are done, the aches seem to be flushed away. Even managed a little PB on the Rack Pulls - Am sure that if I did them before all of the rows I could have got 200kg - but the 190kg did feel heavy at this point..
Wide Grip Pull Ups (to front) - 5 x 12-8 reps
BB BOR - 4 x 12-8 reps
T-Bar Row - 4 x 12-10 reps
Seated Pulley Row - 4 x 12 reps
Rack Pull:
3x5
1x170
1x180
1x190kg (PB)
Medium grip chin ups - 4 x 12-10 reps
DB Pullovers - 4 x 12- 10 reps
Bench Press - 6 x 12-5 reps
Wide Grip Pull Ups (to front) - 5 x 12-8 reps
BB BOR - 4 x 12-8 reps
T-Bar Row - 4 x 12-10 reps
Seated Pulley Row - 4 x 12 reps
Rack Pull:
3x5
1x170
1x180
1x190kg (PB)
Medium grip chin ups - 4 x 12-10 reps
DB Pullovers - 4 x 12- 10 reps
Bench Press - 6 x 12-5 reps
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