What training are you doing/have you done today? Vol.2

[didelydoo]

TheJimi said:

That aside, why bother with stuff like the leg press and the trap deadlift when their barbell counterparts are superior?

I've found constant progress requires variation- Pick the best 3 exercises for your aim that compliment one another, and rotate them to keep progress constant. (Landmine 'anything' falls outwith this remit)

I can see your point though!

[TheJimi]

didelydoo said:

TheJimi said:

That aside, why bother with stuff like the leg press and the trap deadlift when their barbell counterparts are superior?

I've found constant progress requires variation- Pick the best 3 exercises for your aim that compliment one another, and rotate them to keep progress constant. (Landmine 'anything' falls outwith this remit)

I can see your point though!

This is one of these really daft "arguments" where there isn't actually an argument, coz we both broadly agree on the same thing!

That said, I'll reserve judgement as to whether landmines fall outwith the remit until I've used them for a little while

Edited by TheJimi on Tuesday 11th July 13:30

[TheJimi]

chris watton said:

TheJimi said:

No-one is advocating ditching the trad back/front squats for landmine squats, ditto the pressing aspect.

It's a variation for me and something a bit fun since I've never really used landmines for anything other than rows.

That aside, why bother with stuff like the leg press and the trap deadlift when their barbell counterparts are superior?

The Leg press can be a real killer when doing them for reps, as you can go on until your legs cannot take anymore, whereas the Squat puts more load on the back and may stop you doing reps to exhaustion. Squats are clearly better, but for sheer lactic acid agony, the Leg Press is a close second. For me, at least.

I hear you dude. I was being facetious to illustrate my point

[Regiment]

Oh, just been reading up about the land mine squat and it seems like the perfect squat for me.

I'm trying to sort out my flexibility, stretching for 25 minutes before bed every night, as I want to be able to do a full back squat barefoot without relying on lifting shoes. Might add these into my Saturday morning HIIT workout, not go heavy but superset it with press ups and do 3x20. I swim straight after for 10 minutes before heading home for breakfast.

Edited by Regiment on Tuesday 11th July 13:52

[ORD]

If I had access to a trap bar, I think I would use it at least as often as a barbell for deadlifts. You can load the movement heavier and use a neutral grip (which is less taxing if you have dodgy shoulders and, for me at least, would make grip strength less of an issue - I seem to be stronger gripping with neutral position rather than overhand or fully supinated, at least in pull ups).

I agree with DD re variation. It also makes repeated use injuries less likely.

[TheJimi]

Trap bars are aweome!

Here's some irony for you; A few years back, I was extolling the virtues of the trap bar deadlift, and diddely boy here was shooting me down in flames.

Now, guess who thinks trap bar deads are awesome?!

[didelydoo]

TheJimi said:

Trap bars are aweome!

Here's some irony for you; A few years back, I was extolling the virtues of the trap bar deadlift, and diddely boy here was shooting me down in flames.

Now, guess who thinks trap bar deads are awesome?!

Oh no no- I temporarily did them to work around no squatting/deadlifting when my glute was a problem, and TBF did like them. However..... they're now out, as they don't fit my bill of top 3. Good as a catch all when required, but not a long term keeper.

to add- that's not to say I might add them back at some point if need be.

[Animal]

ORD said:

It's getting spooky that you're almost exactly twice as strong as me on a lot of lifts, DD. Great work, as ever.

As for Animal falling over on the way to the gym, that sounds more like something that people do on the way to a bingo hall. Tut tut.

Oi! I was a bit disappointed that no one laughed at me, it was a pretty mediocre fall. I did nip my fingers in the steps though, which stung a bit.

Lunchtime:
Pullup ladder - 5 rounds of 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 reps (105 total)
EZ Preacher curl 4x6-10
Seated Dumbbell curl 4x8-12
Dumbbell Hammer curl 4x12

[Halb]

chris watton said:

Just a little heads up - Amazon have ON whey powder (2.2kg) for £25.99 today.

I reckon ON is my preferred go to brand now.

[Halb]

Animal said:

Really not feeling it this morning, so a short session:

Overhead Press x 2
Push Press x 2
Jerk x 2
Done as one set starting at 35kg and adding 2.5kg each time. Rest time is only as long as it takes to change the weights.

I made it to 60kg before I failed on the overhead press and failed completely at 80kg.

INteresting circuit, I'll see if I can rotate that in. It was the Bear and Grace today., plus some one-arm BB snatches.

[ORD]

Mixed workout. I still feel weak on big lifts since my neck injury.

Deadlift:
142.5kg x 3,3,2,0
Planned for 4 sets of 3 but was just gone. Couldn't grip the bar hard enough to lift it. Gutted to fail on what should be easy for me.

Pull ups:
10,10,10,8
S/S with landmine press:
2-handed: 40,50,60kg x 8
1-handed: 3 x 5 @ 40kg

Deadstop rows:
5 x 65kg,70kg,70kg
S/S with Romanian DLs at the same weight (10-6 reps)

Suspension strap face pulls: 3 x 15

[ORD]

Any ideas on how to build my strength back up? It seems to be neuromuscular because I'm strong on smaller lifts but just don't have the grip strength or neural drive to hold and move decent weights.

Should I drop the volume way down and just focus on reasonably heavy doubles and triples to teach myself how to develop force again? I suppose doing that would allow all my recovery to be on my CNS rather than recovering from muscle damage.

It sucks to feel weak! I was well on the way to a double bodyweight DL & squat this year.

[Kawasicki]

70 km group bike ride with some belting sprints, fairly fast descents (90km/h) and low cadence climbing...for no other reason than entertainment.

[Regiment]

Muay Thai bag session on my own tonight.

3x3 minutes of skipping
Good warm up stretch
12x3 minute rounds of a mixture of legs, hands, knees and combos
Good warm down stretch.

[mcelliott]

ORD said:

Any ideas on how to build my strength back up? It seems to be neuromuscular because I'm strong on smaller lifts but just don't have the grip strength or neural drive to hold and move decent weights.

Should I drop the volume way down and just focus on reasonably heavy doubles and triples to teach myself how to develop force again? I suppose doing that would allow all my recovery to be on my CNS rather than recovering from muscle damage.

It sucks to feel weak! I was well on the way to a double bodyweight DL & squat this year.

Well going on my own experience of an upper back tear, time and patience. It's been almost a full 6 months now and it's only just healed properly, although I can still feel it. Initially it was hugely frustrating, tried to train through it but realised it was better to train round it. Dropped my weights and changed my exercises - more light and pumpy - not my usual way. I did lose some of my strength but it came back quite quickly once the injury started healing.

[Animal]

Halb said:

Animal said:

Really not feeling it this morning, so a short session:

Overhead Press x 2
Push Press x 2
Jerk x 2
Done as one set starting at 35kg and adding 2.5kg each time. Rest time is only as long as it takes to change the weights.

I made it to 60kg before I failed on the overhead press and failed completely at 80kg.

INteresting circuit, I'll see if I can rotate that in. It was the Bear and Grace today., plus some one-arm BB snatches.

The idea is that there's very little rest time, and when you fail in the strict press you drop it and continue with the remaining two until you fail with push press, then it's just the jerk. By moving from 35kg to 80kg I'd made it 19 sets/rounds. The lack of rest becomes a problem very quickly!

This morning:

Front Squat x 3 at 80% 1RM
Box Jump x 5
5 rounds

[didelydoo]

ORD said:

Any ideas on how to build my strength back up? It seems to be neuromuscular because I'm strong on smaller lifts but just don't have the grip strength or neural drive to hold and move decent weights.

Should I drop the volume way down and just focus on reasonably heavy doubles and triples to teach myself how to develop force again? I suppose doing that would allow all my recovery to be on my CNS rather than recovering from muscle damage.

It sucks to feel weak! I was well on the way to a double bodyweight DL & squat this year.

Just do what you did to get it in the first instance, won't take long to come back. Use straps if grips an issue- it's not cheating! I've got a great grip- but I use straps on all my heavy pulling- just takes it out of the equation.

For me today>

Bench: 145kg x 9 (last 3 rest/pause)
Standing strict: 80kg x 9
Skull crushers: 60kg x 9, 40 x13
18" cage deads: 270kg x 9
CG Pull ups: +20kg x9

Pressing strength seems to have dropped off/stagnated a bit, or it may be an off day as I didn't get much sleep last night- will watch for next time.
Currently looking pretty stacked, if I do say so myself ... www.instagram.com/p/BWb6cwujkSZ

Edited by didelydoo on Wednesday 12th July 13:09

[Halb]

Animal said:

The idea is that there's very little rest time, and when you fail in the strict press you drop it and continue with the remaining two until you fail with push press, then it's just the jerk. By moving from 35kg to 80kg I'd made it 19 sets/rounds. The lack of rest becomes a problem very quickly!

This morning:

Front Squat x 3 at 80% 1RM
Box Jump x 5
5 rounds

Sounds familiar to the elimination circuit I do from here.
https://www.t-nation.com/training/the-7-best-worko...
I know about how crazy it gets as the sets go on, it's a different kind of tired to my other circuits.

didelydoo said:

Just do what you did to get it in the first instance, won't take long to come back. Use straps if grips an issue- it's not cheating! I've got a great grip- but I use straps on all my heavy pulling- just takes it out of the equation.

I used to be, not anti-wraps, but I'd only use them on maximals. Now though, I know grip is getting hit on so much, I can't train one of my circuits and my back day without my power-grabs™, and when they get worn out I'll buy some cobra-grips™.

[chris watton]

Halb said:

I used to be, not anti-wraps, but I'd only use them on maximals. Now though, I know grip is getting hit on so much, I can't train one of my circuits and my back day without my power-grabs™, and when they get worn out I'll buy some cobra-grips™.

I can confirm that the Cobra grips are very good, very robust. I went through straps every 3 months or so, but have had these for over 6 months now and still as good as new. I use them for heavy High Pulls, Pendlay Rows, heavy DB Rows and, of course Deadlifts and Rack Pulls (and sometimes Power Cleans at the heavy end of the sets) - and am not ashamed of it one bit if it helps me get a few more reps which would have otherwise been stopped due to lack of grip.

[ORD]

Thanks, Marcus & DD.

I think I'll steer clear of straps - grip used to be an issue for me and I don't want to give it a chance to become one again.

Injury is healed in that I am feeling no discomfort or pain. It's just not all firing properly!

Thanks again. I think I'll go back to 5/3/1 for a month and so and see how I do on that. It will suck to start at lower training maximums, but so be it.