High fat diets - anyone else do them?
Discussion
DuncanM said:
It just sounds like tip toeing through life. Don't get me wrong, I have gone moderately low carb in the past (Low GI diet), and it does feel good. The excessive buttering up your bacon, just sounds unhealthy.
Stop eating fruit and veg! (Carbs) - Said no Heart doctor ever.
I think keto commonly gets mistaken as zero carb which it isn't, ideally it's under 20g of carbs but ultimately under 50g of net carbs excluding fibre. 50g is a fair amount of veg, I have a huge plate full every evening and a large amount of greens for lunch. Stop eating fruit and veg! (Carbs) - Said no Heart doctor ever.
Its definitely not advised to stop eating fruit and veg.
Shinobi said:
I think keto commonly gets mistaken as zero carb which it isn't, ideally it's under 20g of carbs but ultimately under 50g of net carbs excluding fibre. 50g is a fair amount of veg, I have a huge plate full every evening and a large amount of greens for lunch.
Its definitely not advised to stop eating fruit and veg.
Sorry to pick you up on this, but did you mean 50g? I can see 50g of spinach, say, would look like a lot but I'd guess an apple is 150g. If you stuck to the '5 a day' regime it'd total 400g. Apol's if I've misunderstood. Its definitely not advised to stop eating fruit and veg.
Re the fats, thanks for reply, but I was thinking of the negative impact of saturated fats. Agreed re trans fats.
Sticks. said:
Shinobi said:
I think keto commonly gets mistaken as zero carb which it isn't, ideally it's under 20g of carbs but ultimately under 50g of net carbs excluding fibre. 50g is a fair amount of veg, I have a huge plate full every evening and a large amount of greens for lunch.
Its definitely not advised to stop eating fruit and veg.
Sorry to pick you up on this, but did you mean 50g? I can see 50g of spinach, say, would look like a lot but I'd guess an apple is 150g. If you stuck to the '5 a day' regime it'd total 400g. Apol's if I've misunderstood. Its definitely not advised to stop eating fruit and veg.
Re the fats, thanks for reply, but I was thinking of the negative impact of saturated fats. Agreed re trans fats.
An apple is roughly 15g carbs so you could have three a day and the rest greens to keep under the 50g. But three apples is a fair bit of sugar so I would want that much personally.
In regards to saturated fat I'm not sure it's the monster it's been assumed to be, I've done a fair bit of reading and noticed my Blood Pressure has dropped on keto and I have had a lot more saturated fat than ever before.
I found this interesting so you might also https://authoritynutrition.com/saturated-fat-good-...
To be clear I'm not saying this is the magic diet and I was a non believer 4 weeks ago but in the last 4 weeks I've experienced some pretty crazy changes.
Started back on the carbs yesterday so will be interesting to see how I feel in a week or so.
Sticks. said:
... I was thinking of the negative impact of saturated fats.
Mary Enig is worth a google, but this is a decent layman's summary:https://draxe.com/the-truth-about-saturated-fat/
Thanks, that's interesting. Yes, sugar in fruit is something to be aware of, depending on the GI as well, I just picked apples as an example.
Agreed, there's no magic bullet. Tricky one, the saturated fat issue. So much info, which changes one year to the next. I don't do no carb/high protein, moderation all round for me. Since cutting out refined carbs I've noticed how crap I feel if I ever have them.
Agreed, there's no magic bullet. Tricky one, the saturated fat issue. So much info, which changes one year to the next. I don't do no carb/high protein, moderation all round for me. Since cutting out refined carbs I've noticed how crap I feel if I ever have them.
Defcon5 said:
I'd struggle without carbs, bread, rice, pasta or potatoes are in pretty much every meal!
Depends what you're doing... A friend of mine tried the low to no carb thing and spent the whole time feeling knackered in training. Back on the carbs and back to training well.I am the same, I know for a fact if I have had decent carbs and fats during the day then its on for a good training session. Really, its just sticking to the med-low GI foods and avoiding the sugary crap (high GI, lots of processed sugars etc)...because you feel good for about 30 minutes, then you swan dive and then you feel hungry again.
e.g. A bowl of crunchy nut will have me reaching for more food come half 10. A bowl of decent granola with raisins or cranberries and some thick Greek yogurt (not the fat free stuff) has me going well beyond mid-day.
Literally, I think all this diet stuff is very pseudo-sciencey... likely because what works for one, won't work for someone else, so it becomes hard to pin down a set of hard and fast rules. But I would still subscribe to the stuff that makes a bit of sense. Namely:
Calories in <= Calories out
Prepare all your food from good raw ingredients; fresh meats, fresh vegetables, nuts, small-moderate amounts of fresh dairy (i.e. single and double creams for example)
Avoid processed and sugary foods, especially containing processed sugar (sweets, biscuits, chocolate, crisps, pop, ready meals)
Everything in moderation (too much of anything is usually bad)
Shouldn't be too hard to find something that will make achieving and maintaining a small calorie deficit a doable task; eating foods that keep your appetite satiated for longer so you aren't tempted to gorge on extra.
Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Saturday 25th February 16:19
Otispunkmeyer said:
Depends what you're doing... A friend of mine tried the low to no carb thing and spent the whole time feeling knackered in training. Back on the carbs and back to training well.
I am the same, I know for a fact if I have had decent carbs and fats during the day then its on for a good training session. Really, its just sticking to the med-low GI foods and avoiding the sugary crap (high GI, lots of processed sugars etc)...because you feel good for about 30 minutes, then you swan dive and then you feel hungry again.
e.g. A bowl of crunchy nut will have me reaching for more food come half 10. A bowl of decent granola with raisins or cranberries and some thick Greek yogurt (not the fat free stuff) has me going well beyond mid-day.
Literally, I think all this diet stuff is very pseudo-sciencey... likely because what works for one, won't work for someone else, so it becomes hard to pin down a set of hard and fast rules. But I would still subscribe to the stuff that makes a bit of sense. Namely:
Calories in <= Calories out
Prepare all your food from good raw ingredients; fresh meats, fresh vegetables, nuts, small-moderate amounts of fresh dairy (i.e. single and double creams for example)
Avoid processed and sugary foods, especially containing processed sugar (sweets, biscuits, chocolate, crisps, pop, ready meals)
Everything in moderation (too much of anything is usually bad)
Shouldn't be too hard to find something that will make achieving and maintaining a small calorie deficit a doable task; eating foods that keep your appetite satiated for longer so you aren't tempted to gorge on extra.
That's a great post right there I am the same, I know for a fact if I have had decent carbs and fats during the day then its on for a good training session. Really, its just sticking to the med-low GI foods and avoiding the sugary crap (high GI, lots of processed sugars etc)...because you feel good for about 30 minutes, then you swan dive and then you feel hungry again.
e.g. A bowl of crunchy nut will have me reaching for more food come half 10. A bowl of decent granola with raisins or cranberries and some thick Greek yogurt (not the fat free stuff) has me going well beyond mid-day.
Literally, I think all this diet stuff is very pseudo-sciencey... likely because what works for one, won't work for someone else, so it becomes hard to pin down a set of hard and fast rules. But I would still subscribe to the stuff that makes a bit of sense. Namely:
Calories in <= Calories out
Prepare all your food from good raw ingredients; fresh meats, fresh vegetables, nuts, small-moderate amounts of fresh dairy (i.e. single and double creams for example)
Avoid processed and sugary foods, especially containing processed sugar (sweets, biscuits, chocolate, crisps, pop, ready meals)
Everything in moderation (too much of anything is usually bad)
Shouldn't be too hard to find something that will make achieving and maintaining a small calorie deficit a doable task; eating foods that keep your appetite satiated for longer so you aren't tempted to gorge on extra.
Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Saturday 25th February 16:19
Yipper said:
Yes, every diet always has a downside.
For high-fat, high-protein diets, they can eventually harm the kidneys and brain. The kidneys get protein-overload and become less and less efficient at processing waste. The brain gets carb-shortage, which leads to brain fog and can accelerate dementia.
When you study 100-yearolds, none of them ever say their secret to success for long living was keto regimens or feeling the burn at the gym. They almost always say it was moderate eating, drinking and sleeping.
I dunno, medical advice and understanding seems to change by the week as knowledge improves and fads pass. Many might argue that low processeed carb diets are far more natural for a hunter/gatherer species. For high-fat, high-protein diets, they can eventually harm the kidneys and brain. The kidneys get protein-overload and become less and less efficient at processing waste. The brain gets carb-shortage, which leads to brain fog and can accelerate dementia.
When you study 100-yearolds, none of them ever say their secret to success for long living was keto regimens or feeling the burn at the gym. They almost always say it was moderate eating, drinking and sleeping.
Been on low carb high fat for years now even when it was un-popular and people were telling me it was dangerous. Like most things in life if you do your own research and actually put some effort into it you'll realise that what we are told or recommended by the mainstream is usually to benefit big corporations etc. Money talks and it's a lot cheaper and easier to feed the worlds population wheat and grains.
There's nothing new in the LCHF diet its just how we used to eat, how we evolved over the years. It's only been since the 70's that we have become carb obsessed to the point that diabetes now costs the world billions and heart disease and cancer is now massively more common then ever.
Look at photo's of your family back in the 50's/60's and see how many were obese. There were few cereals if any back then and animal fat was a staple of many peoples diets. People from that era are living to big ages and it's predicted that this generation will be the 1st to die younger then their grandparents, despite the major medical advances made over the years.
As for being unhealthy well I eat far more vegetables then most people I know as I replace potatoes on my sunday dinner for example with extra meat and extra veg. In the morning I dont stuff myself with a carboard like sugar infested cereal, but instead have greek yogurt with blueberries, flax/chia seeds and protein to flavour or scrambled eggs cooked in coconut oil, fresh cream, cheese, butter and add bacon ot 95% meat sausage if I feel like it.
Snacks are not crisps or chocolate but tins of fish or chicken meat etc. I play football twice a week and go to the gym 3 times using just weights all powered by my fat.
I didn't need to lose weight I did this for health reasons and when I do eat too many carbs (what most consider normal) when in company, I get that horrible stuffed bloated feeling, just like you get after christmas dinner when you've massively over eaten. The feeling I used to get on regular occasions where my stomach felt huge.
I will never go back as it suits me down to the ground and seeing my friends and family gain weight year on year when they eat a lot less than I do just confirms to me that this is the right way to eat.
The only draw back is grabbing something on the go, but with this way of eating you never really feel hungry so I just grab some pre-cooked meat if I really feel I should eat if I've been to the gym etc.
There's nothing new in the LCHF diet its just how we used to eat, how we evolved over the years. It's only been since the 70's that we have become carb obsessed to the point that diabetes now costs the world billions and heart disease and cancer is now massively more common then ever.
Look at photo's of your family back in the 50's/60's and see how many were obese. There were few cereals if any back then and animal fat was a staple of many peoples diets. People from that era are living to big ages and it's predicted that this generation will be the 1st to die younger then their grandparents, despite the major medical advances made over the years.
As for being unhealthy well I eat far more vegetables then most people I know as I replace potatoes on my sunday dinner for example with extra meat and extra veg. In the morning I dont stuff myself with a carboard like sugar infested cereal, but instead have greek yogurt with blueberries, flax/chia seeds and protein to flavour or scrambled eggs cooked in coconut oil, fresh cream, cheese, butter and add bacon ot 95% meat sausage if I feel like it.
Snacks are not crisps or chocolate but tins of fish or chicken meat etc. I play football twice a week and go to the gym 3 times using just weights all powered by my fat.
I didn't need to lose weight I did this for health reasons and when I do eat too many carbs (what most consider normal) when in company, I get that horrible stuffed bloated feeling, just like you get after christmas dinner when you've massively over eaten. The feeling I used to get on regular occasions where my stomach felt huge.
I will never go back as it suits me down to the ground and seeing my friends and family gain weight year on year when they eat a lot less than I do just confirms to me that this is the right way to eat.
The only draw back is grabbing something on the go, but with this way of eating you never really feel hungry so I just grab some pre-cooked meat if I really feel I should eat if I've been to the gym etc.
Edited by WarnieV6GT on Saturday 25th February 21:50
I've been doing low carb diet for a year and go through 3 extra thick double cream tubs a week (100g each I think) and cook everything in butter etc. Recent chlsterol test was unchanged from one two years ago.
I do it because I feel better. If I eat bread or a bowl of pasta I feel rubbish for an hour or so.
I do it because I feel better. If I eat bread or a bowl of pasta I feel rubbish for an hour or so.
WarnieV6GT said:
The only draw back is grabbing something on the go, but with this way of eating you never really feel hungry so I just grab some pre-cooked meat if I really feel I should eat if I've been to the gym etc.
There does seem to be a very stubborn reluctance by the food/retail industries to cater for low carb; everything from garage forecourt snacks - choice of hundreds all carb laden - to restaurants where a low-carb option or 2 could so easily be offered. They really seem to be missing a trick, its not like low carb has risks like coeliac etc meals, or requires special components, and often the requirements of one individual can dictate where a whole group will eat.Mind, its only in the last few years that gluten allergies are being addressed by UK restaurants, something thats been the norm for years in other developed countries. I mean if weatherspoons can do it whats the excuse?
Even what should be fairly low carb safe snacks like bill tong can have loads of additives.
hairyben said:
There does seem to be a very stubborn reluctance by the food/retail industries to cater for low carb
The shelf life of a sugar laden snack like a flapjack or a cake is measured in months. Even fruit like bananas are edible for a week or so. Boiled eggs have to be pickled if you want them to last more than a couple of days. Avocados are ripe for about a minute and a half...And, of course, wheat and sugar are cheaper than dirt and subsidized.
hairyben said:
WarnieV6GT said:
The only draw back is grabbing something on the go, but with this way of eating you never really feel hungry so I just grab some pre-cooked meat if I really feel I should eat if I've been to the gym etc.
There does seem to be a very stubborn reluctance by the food/retail industries to cater for low carb; everything from garage forecourt snacks - choice of hundreds all carb laden - to restaurants where a low-carb option or 2 could so easily be offered. They really seem to be missing a trick, its not like low carb has risks like coeliac etc meals, or requires special components, and often the requirements of one individual can dictate where a whole group will eat.Mind, its only in the last few years that gluten allergies are being addressed by UK restaurants, something thats been the norm for years in other developed countries. I mean if weatherspoons can do it whats the excuse?
Even what should be fairly low carb safe snacks like bill tong can have loads of additives.
grumbledoak said:
The shelf life of a sugar laden snack like a flapjack or a cake is measured in months. Even fruit like bananas are edible for a week or so. Boiled eggs have to be pickled if you want them to last more than a couple of days. Avocados are ripe for about a minute and a half...
And, of course, wheat and sugar are cheaper than dirt and subsidized.
Many of these places are stocked with a wide range and sandwiches all of which go off quick, and theres a few meat based snacks that can have a shelf life of months.And, of course, wheat and sugar are cheaper than dirt and subsidized.
And so they cost more, so charge more. People with restrictive diets are often more willing to pay because of necessity and profit margins can actually be higher than race-to-the-bottom mass market stuff.
I've followed a low carb, high fat diet for nearly 3 years now. It's not so much of a diet, more a lifestyle which I lived religiously until other life stuff got in the way in the middle of last year. Food choices slipped, grains slipped back in to the diet, processed sugars etc. My weight went from 75kg, energy levels dropped, desire to exercise dropped and I started feeling pretty s
t about myself both physically and mentally.
I knew I needed to sort it out, resolutions have never worked but following plans does. The nutrition guys that got me feeling healthy a couple of years ago started a new plan up, not a rigid meal plan but a building choices plan so that everything becomes second nature when building menus for the week. I started it two weeks ago at 85kg, I've done no real exercise, just a couple of short runs and I'm down to 80.5. I'm not back to waking up before my alarm clock or bouncing out of bed in the morning but the rest of me is feeling better.
It's not an easy thing to do, the key is preparation, getting snacks done at the weekend, home made scotch eggs (almond flour as a coating), home made burgers that kind of thing. We'll do a couple of bulk meals for ease during the week and then cook whatever else from scratch. We don't do processed sugars, grains and our diets are high on fermented foods/drinks, especially kefir and kombucha.
t about myself both physically and mentally.I knew I needed to sort it out, resolutions have never worked but following plans does. The nutrition guys that got me feeling healthy a couple of years ago started a new plan up, not a rigid meal plan but a building choices plan so that everything becomes second nature when building menus for the week. I started it two weeks ago at 85kg, I've done no real exercise, just a couple of short runs and I'm down to 80.5. I'm not back to waking up before my alarm clock or bouncing out of bed in the morning but the rest of me is feeling better.
It's not an easy thing to do, the key is preparation, getting snacks done at the weekend, home made scotch eggs (almond flour as a coating), home made burgers that kind of thing. We'll do a couple of bulk meals for ease during the week and then cook whatever else from scratch. We don't do processed sugars, grains and our diets are high on fermented foods/drinks, especially kefir and kombucha.
What's the take on this when doing high levels of endurance exercise?
I currently run up between 35-50 miles per week. And despite that I still struggle with my weight, generally sit around 80-82 kilos.
I tend to be hungry most of the time so fill up with carbs, but it's leaving me feeling pretty lethargic and unmotivated all the time. Something needs to change.
I've stopped eating meat in the last few months also although not fish.
So I need some ideas for a decent diet that's meat free, but will still give me the energy for plenty of exercise, and allow me to lose weight. Ideally want to drop to around 75 kilos for starters. I was up around 90 a year ago so I'm doing ok but seem to always stall around 80 kilos.
I currently run up between 35-50 miles per week. And despite that I still struggle with my weight, generally sit around 80-82 kilos.
I tend to be hungry most of the time so fill up with carbs, but it's leaving me feeling pretty lethargic and unmotivated all the time. Something needs to change.
I've stopped eating meat in the last few months also although not fish.
So I need some ideas for a decent diet that's meat free, but will still give me the energy for plenty of exercise, and allow me to lose weight. Ideally want to drop to around 75 kilos for starters. I was up around 90 a year ago so I'm doing ok but seem to always stall around 80 kilos.
I don't want to lower the tone, but when I switched, firstly to an 'atkins' protein based diet from a junky carbs western diet, and latterly to a high fat diet, my occasional ibs cleared up completely. My body adjusting resulted in stting stools like house bricks. I also noticed higher fat, much better tighter stools, improved body function, exactly the opposite of what the 'experts' say.
tting stools like house bricks. I also noticed higher fat, much better tighter stools, improved body function, exactly the opposite of what the 'experts' say. grumbledoak said:
High fat is fine for endurance exercise; less so for sprints. I wouldn't think it's an easy mix with vegetarianism though.
As a veggie I think you would really struggle on a high fat diet, the only things I can think of would be eggs, cheese and cream would be your mainstays.Could get tiresome very quickly.
I've been on high fat, low carbs for 18months now and total weight loss is 5 1/2 stone but I have plateaued now and it is harder to lose any more.
I have bacon/eggs/ mushrooms around lunchtime a, snack on nuts and then have a carb free meal at night. I cook in butter, cream for sauces and eat a few blueberries with alpro yoghurt and a soya drink. Alcohol is not you friend.
Meals usually around chicken, steak, pork with cauli mash and veg and salads in the summer. Lots of creativity around those simple ingredients if you look around- the book real meal revolution from Amazon is a good read as it explains the new way of eating and some great recipes.
I never feel hungry and don't think of it as a diet, now a way of life.
I feel extremely well, sleep great and have loads of energy. Bowels can be a little troublesome if you let it but I take psyllium husks once a day and that keeps things in order.
I am happy at 15 stone but will need to drop some calories if I want to lose more! I think I will wear these clothes out first - costs no end in smaller trousers/shirts/ tees! Waist gone from 46 to 40.
I have bacon/eggs/ mushrooms around lunchtime a, snack on nuts and then have a carb free meal at night. I cook in butter, cream for sauces and eat a few blueberries with alpro yoghurt and a soya drink. Alcohol is not you friend.
Meals usually around chicken, steak, pork with cauli mash and veg and salads in the summer. Lots of creativity around those simple ingredients if you look around- the book real meal revolution from Amazon is a good read as it explains the new way of eating and some great recipes.
I never feel hungry and don't think of it as a diet, now a way of life.
I feel extremely well, sleep great and have loads of energy. Bowels can be a little troublesome if you let it but I take psyllium husks once a day and that keeps things in order.
I am happy at 15 stone but will need to drop some calories if I want to lose more! I think I will wear these clothes out first - costs no end in smaller trousers/shirts/ tees! Waist gone from 46 to 40.
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