Pull ups and press ups: how many can you do?
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Pete102 said:
Out of interest, those who are achieving high reps / additional weight - what are your deadlift numbers? and also what accessory work would you recommend (assuming lat pull downs - anything else?)
As a heavier guy (95kg) I like to think my DL is reasonable (although it will pale into insignificance compared to others) it's just making that performance translate into pull ups etc.
For starters my max DL is 227.5kg. Recently I've lost 15kg in bodyweight which has knocked that number down to 215kg but obviously helped with the pullups!
I don't think pull ups have any correlation to deadlifts really, not for me anyway.As a heavier guy (95kg) I like to think my DL is reasonable (although it will pale into insignificance compared to others) it's just making that performance translate into pull ups etc.
For starters my max DL is 227.5kg. Recently I've lost 15kg in bodyweight which has knocked that number down to 215kg but obviously helped with the pullups!
Heavy barbell, Dumbbell and Tbar rows, along with rack pulls would be my staple movements to assist deads. Squats also have a huge carry over IMO, as do GHR (glute ham raise) if there's one available in your gym. Extra hamstring work will help too.
Pete102 said:
Out of interest, those who are achieving high reps / additional weight - what are your deadlift numbers? and also what accessory work would you recommend (assuming lat pull downs - anything else?)
As a heavier guy (95kg) I like to think my DL is reasonable (although it will pale into insignificance compared to others) it's just making that performance translate into pull ups etc.
For starters my max DL is 227.5kg. Recently I've lost 15kg in bodyweight which has knocked that number down to 215kg but obviously helped with the pullups!
My deadlift is very average.As a heavier guy (95kg) I like to think my DL is reasonable (although it will pale into insignificance compared to others) it's just making that performance translate into pull ups etc.
For starters my max DL is 227.5kg. Recently I've lost 15kg in bodyweight which has knocked that number down to 215kg but obviously helped with the pullups!
I weigh 83kg and have a 1RM of 165kg. But that is limited by grip (as I don't use a mixed grip or straps). Legs and back could probably go a little heavier.
I'm 78kg body weight and my 1RM for deadlift is ~170kg. To be honest the best thing for pullups is to lose bodyweight.
My weighted pullups (78kgs + 27.5kgs) is 105kgs, your weighted pullups are about the same given you're a lot heavier than me.
I'm not sure how a good deadlift would help you pullups, if anything a good bent over row weight would probably be more beneficial.
My weighted pullups (78kgs + 27.5kgs) is 105kgs, your weighted pullups are about the same given you're a lot heavier than me.
I'm not sure how a good deadlift would help you pullups, if anything a good bent over row weight would probably be more beneficial.
RTB said:
I'm 78kg body weight and my 1RM for deadlift is ~170kg. To be honest the best thing for pullups is to lose bodyweight.
My weighted pullups (78kgs + 27.5kgs) is 105kgs, your weighted pullups are about the same given you're a lot heavier than me.
I'm not sure how a good deadlift would help you pullups, if anything a good bent over row weight would probably be more beneficial.
Depends how you do your pull-ups.My weighted pullups (78kgs + 27.5kgs) is 105kgs, your weighted pullups are about the same given you're a lot heavier than me.
I'm not sure how a good deadlift would help you pullups, if anything a good bent over row weight would probably be more beneficial.
If you do Gironda pull-ups (pulling to sternum and arched back), bent over row would help a lot. You get a more horizontal line of pull.
If you do hollow body pull ups, the line of pull is probably more vertical and a bit more like a deadlift.
I did some sternum pulls ups yesterday and have re-injured the buggered up disc in my neck. No pull ups for me for some time.
I have found that the only way to get better with any exercise is to keep doing that exercise. Persistence does pay off - and to become competent at any exercise, you do have to be really persistent. For me at least, I didn't get better at pull ups because I did squats/deadlifts/presses etc., I got better at pull ups because I included them is every single workout.
chris watton said:
I have found that the only way to get better with any exercise is to keep doing that exercise. Persistence does pay off - and to become competent at any exercise, you do have to be really persistent. For me at least, I didn't get better at pull ups because I did squats/deadlifts/presses etc., I got better at pull ups because I included them is every single workout.
This.I'm ok at both, but that's down to doing them lots and lots, for a long, long time; rather than one helping the other. (+50kg for 4 chins, 302.5kg dead)
Aye, I don't believe there's a great deal of correlation between my deadlifts and my pulls & chins.
I can shift up to +50kg pulling from the bar, and did a quick test the other week and got 20 BW pullups.
Most I've pulled from the floor was 200kg at circa 72kg BW, but currently back to around 185kg @ 70kg BW after breaking my toe and my mojo going south a bit :-/ I train beltless & strapless tho, so with a bit of grit and training with the belt, I don't think I'm too far away from 200kg at my current BW.
Again tho, no real crossover between them, I don't think. Just a case of getting stuck in and getting better at individual movements.
I can shift up to +50kg pulling from the bar, and did a quick test the other week and got 20 BW pullups.
Most I've pulled from the floor was 200kg at circa 72kg BW, but currently back to around 185kg @ 70kg BW after breaking my toe and my mojo going south a bit :-/ I train beltless & strapless tho, so with a bit of grit and training with the belt, I don't think I'm too far away from 200kg at my current BW.
Again tho, no real crossover between them, I don't think. Just a case of getting stuck in and getting better at individual movements.
I agree.
You have to bear in mind that most people have huge improvements to be made from efficiency of movement and coordination, so practice at the target exercise will usually give the best results.
I don't entirely buy all the 'bringing up weak links' chat, at least not for beginner and intermediate guys. I'm sure that it becomes important once you are getting close to your limits, but I don't think most of us are near that.
One exception to that is maybe where you have so big an imbalance between different muscles that the stronger ones do all the work and so leave the weak ones under stimulated. I can just about believe that this may be true even for relatively weak people.
You have to bear in mind that most people have huge improvements to be made from efficiency of movement and coordination, so practice at the target exercise will usually give the best results.
I don't entirely buy all the 'bringing up weak links' chat, at least not for beginner and intermediate guys. I'm sure that it becomes important once you are getting close to your limits, but I don't think most of us are near that.
One exception to that is maybe where you have so big an imbalance between different muscles that the stronger ones do all the work and so leave the weak ones under stimulated. I can just about believe that this may be true even for relatively weak people.
I'm 28, ~97kg at 6'4" and I can do a first set of 15 strict wide grip pullups or 6-7 reps of BW+20kg. I train them a lot though, my pressing and squatting is fairly weak but my pulling is quite strong. I do bouldering and it's rather fun to do overhang climbs with no feet where possible, tends to amuse onlookers. It's rare to see anyone doing proper pullups at my gym and I've not seen anyone else top 10.
Pressups I don't actually know how many I could do fresh, somewhere between 30 and 50 I imagine.
Pressups I don't actually know how many I could do fresh, somewhere between 30 and 50 I imagine.
Just for your quantity planning purposes, last night I did pulled pork sandwiches for 50 people.
The butt I used was 6.5kg, and I cooked it in the oven for 12 hours at 120degrees.
Each person had at least one sandwich, and some had two or three. We still have a tupperware of pulled pork left.
I also did 4kg of chicken drumsticks, and 3kg of sausages. We have a little left over from those.
I would say that the brisket and one of your pork shoulders will be easily enough for 60 people, unless you are planning that each person has an entirely full dinner sized plate of pulled pork, with no side dishes.
The butt I used was 6.5kg, and I cooked it in the oven for 12 hours at 120degrees.
Each person had at least one sandwich, and some had two or three. We still have a tupperware of pulled pork left.
I also did 4kg of chicken drumsticks, and 3kg of sausages. We have a little left over from those.
I would say that the brisket and one of your pork shoulders will be easily enough for 60 people, unless you are planning that each person has an entirely full dinner sized plate of pulled pork, with no side dishes.
bulldong said:
Just for your quantity planning purposes, last night I did pulled pork sandwiches for 50 people.
The butt I used was 6.5kg, and I cooked it in the oven for 12 hours at 120degrees.
Each person had at least one sandwich, and some had two or three. We still have a tupperware of pulled pork left.
I also did 4kg of chicken drumsticks, and 3kg of sausages. We have a little left over from those.
I would say that the brisket and one of your pork shoulders will be easily enough for 60 people, unless you are planning that each person has an entirely full dinner sized plate of pulled pork, with no side dishes.
How does that help with pull-ups?The butt I used was 6.5kg, and I cooked it in the oven for 12 hours at 120degrees.
Each person had at least one sandwich, and some had two or three. We still have a tupperware of pulled pork left.
I also did 4kg of chicken drumsticks, and 3kg of sausages. We have a little left over from those.
I would say that the brisket and one of your pork shoulders will be easily enough for 60 people, unless you are planning that each person has an entirely full dinner sized plate of pulled pork, with no side dishes.
bulldong said:
Just for your quantity planning purposes, last night I did pulled pork sandwiches for 50 people.
The butt I used was 6.5kg, and I cooked it in the oven for 12 hours at 120degrees.
Each person had at least one sandwich, and some had two or three. We still have a tupperware of pulled pork left.
I also did 4kg of chicken drumsticks, and 3kg of sausages. We have a little left over from those.
I would say that the brisket and one of your pork shoulders will be easily enough for 60 people, unless you are planning that each person has an entirely full dinner sized plate of pulled pork, with no side dishes.
Started drinking a little early?The butt I used was 6.5kg, and I cooked it in the oven for 12 hours at 120degrees.
Each person had at least one sandwich, and some had two or three. We still have a tupperware of pulled pork left.
I also did 4kg of chicken drumsticks, and 3kg of sausages. We have a little left over from those.
I would say that the brisket and one of your pork shoulders will be easily enough for 60 people, unless you are planning that each person has an entirely full dinner sized plate of pulled pork, with no side dishes.
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