Keto diet - anyone else?

[feef]

Since getting back on the Keto wagon properly, today I found myself under 12st on the scales for the first time in ages. After Xmas I was a touch over 13.

Got another 10k trail run in a couple of weeks, so it'll be interesting to see if there's any change to my pace. It'll be borderline as I can do that distance at threshold HR which means I won't be running on fat at an endurance pace. (I'll save that for the half marathon trail run in September)

[ArsE92]

ATM said:

The good news is I now see junk getting offered around at the office - birthdays every day etc - and feel very little interest in eating it. I am still sleeping lightly but feel rested. I occasionally snack on nuts but not very often. I still eat out a lot but just go for steak or burgers without the bun and I dont eat the salad or garnish or anything else.

Yeah I'm the same with the sweet stuff generally - just not interested.

I stopped off at Burger King last night and had a Big King XL somethingorother without the bun and it was pretty enjoyable actually!

[ATM]

ArsE92 said:

ATM said:

The good news is I now see junk getting offered around at the office - birthdays every day etc - and feel very little interest in eating it. I am still sleeping lightly but feel rested. I occasionally snack on nuts but not very often. I still eat out a lot but just go for steak or burgers without the bun and I dont eat the salad or garnish or anything else.

Yeah I'm the same with the sweet stuff generally - just not interested.

I stopped off at Burger King last night and had a Big King XL somethingorother without the bun and it was pretty enjoyable actually!

I was at the Belfry last night - big golf club. I also ordered a double burger and planned to leave the bun. It wasn't great - maybe overcooked and way too chewy. I nearly left it half eaten which for me is unheard of.

[Kenny Powers]

ATM said:

So I'm still lifting as big as possible and doing no cardio. I usually go before work which is 6:30am. Then even though I am hungry I wait till lunch. Then Dinner obviously. So far I feel like I am losing some of the flab I gained while bulking - which was just eating a little more and drinking a lot of blue milk and changing my goals towards lifting as much as poss. I cant decide if I am getting tired quicker at the gym or if that is my imagination. I am still managing to lift similar weights.

The good news is I now see junk getting offered around at the office - birthdays every day etc - and feel very little interest in eating it. I am still sleeping lightly but feel rested. I occasionally snack on nuts but not very often. I still eat out a lot but just go for steak or burgers without the bun and I dont eat the salad or garnish or anything else.

Be mindful that too much protein isn’t ideal. My tip, for what it’s worth, is to view protein only as a necessary number. I personally eat about 80-100g of protein...I know that’s my amount...and I add fat to stop the hunger. If you’re hungry because you skipped breakfast, then it seems like you probably don’t have enough ketones in your bloodstream. Too much protein has knocked me out of ketosis more than once during the learning phase. Just an idea to think about. If you’re lifting weights then I imagine you’ll need a fair bit of protein though

[ATM]

Kenny Powers said:

ATM said:

So I'm still lifting as big as possible and doing no cardio. I usually go before work which is 6:30am. Then even though I am hungry I wait till lunch. Then Dinner obviously. So far I feel like I am losing some of the flab I gained while bulking - which was just eating a little more and drinking a lot of blue milk and changing my goals towards lifting as much as poss. I cant decide if I am getting tired quicker at the gym or if that is my imagination. I am still managing to lift similar weights.

The good news is I now see junk getting offered around at the office - birthdays every day etc - and feel very little interest in eating it. I am still sleeping lightly but feel rested. I occasionally snack on nuts but not very often. I still eat out a lot but just go for steak or burgers without the bun and I dont eat the salad or garnish or anything else.

Be mindful that too much protein isn’t ideal. My tip, for what it’s worth, is to view protein only as a necessary number. I personally eat about 80-100g of protein...I know that’s my amount...and I add fat to stop the hunger. If you’re hungry because you skipped breakfast, then it seems like you probably don’t have enough ketones in your bloodstream. Too much protein has knocked me out of ketosis more than once during the learning phase. Just an idea to think about. If you’re lifting weights then I imagine you’ll need a fair bit of protein though

I don't know if it is hunger or just that I am used to eating after a workout. Naturally i feel tired after a workout and this can often be confused for hunger.

[liner33]

ATM said:

I still eat out a lot but just go for steak or burgers without the bun and I dont eat the salad or garnish or anything else.

You should be eating the salad, a ketogenic diet is not just about as much meat as possible

[Kenny Powers]

liner33 said:

You should be eating the salad, a ketogenic diet is not just about as much meat as possible

Absolutely agree with this. Nutrition is extremely important. It’s not just about energy.

Also I personally try to limit my meat intake to chicken or oily fish, with a nice steak once or twice a week.

[LordGrover]

Plenty experimenting with 100% carnivorous diet seem to be doing okay after several years. Not claiming it's optimal for a lifetime, but a few months/years is unlikely do do much/any harm. Not my choice though, I like veg.
I find high quality, properly raised beef and lamb far easier to get than chicken. Pretty much all supermarket chicken is pretty poor quality IMO. Living in the (relative) sticks as I do I'm fortunate having access to a couple of local farm shops where hens, ducks and geese are properly 'free range', not just a supermarket label. Still prefer red meat and occasional seafood though.

[grumbledoak]

LordGrover said:

Plenty experimenting with 100% carnivorous diet seem to be doing okay after several years.

Do you have any names to google?

I do eat loads of green veg in place of the usual carbs, but I have long suspected that we are basically carnivorous - canine teeth, eyes in the front, able to eat meat raw, etc.

[LordGrover]

I'll look them out later, there was one on a recent Robb Wolf podcast and another on a Keto woman's podcast. Can't check right now but will do so in a hour or two.

ETA
Or now...
Robb Wolf episode 385 - Dr Shawn Baker (see also https://www.instagram.com/shawnbaker1967/?hl=en )
The Keto Diet with Leanne Vogel - Episode 081 Kelly Hogan (Zero carb)

Edited by LordGrover on Friday 20th April 20:41

[grumbledoak]

Thank you!

[Halb]

LordGrover said:

Plenty experimenting with 100% carnivorous diet seem to be doing okay after several years. Not claiming it's optimal for a lifetime, but a few months/years is unlikely do do much/any harm. Not my choice though, I like veg.
I find high quality, properly raised beef and lamb far easier to get than chicken. Pretty much all supermarket chicken is pretty poor quality IMO. Living in the (relative) sticks as I do I'm fortunate having access to a couple of local farm shops where hens, ducks and geese are properly 'free range', not just a supermarket label. Still prefer red meat and occasional seafood though.

YOu'e doing it, wow, well done. I posted in the diet thread a blog of a bloke that did it for 30 days. He kept it to a certain ration, 1.4:1 I think
may be a delicate question, but what I keep thinking about are the business trips to the loo...

THere is a great vid by Mic the Vegan on whether humans are herbivores, I think he nails it myself. I think we'd be a bit of a weird ape to be carnivores.

[ATM]

Halb said:

LordGrover said:

Plenty experimenting with 100% carnivorous diet seem to be doing okay after several years. Not claiming it's optimal for a lifetime, but a few months/years is unlikely do do much/any harm. Not my choice though, I like veg.
I find high quality, properly raised beef and lamb far easier to get than chicken. Pretty much all supermarket chicken is pretty poor quality IMO. Living in the (relative) sticks as I do I'm fortunate having access to a couple of local farm shops where hens, ducks and geese are properly 'free range', not just a supermarket label. Still prefer red meat and occasional seafood though.

YOu'e doing it, wow, well done. I posted in the diet thread a blog of a bloke that did it for 30 days. He kept it to a certain ration, 1.4:1 I think
may be a delicate question, but what I keep thinking about are the business trips to the loo...

THere is a great vid by Mic the Vegan on whether humans are herbivores, I think he nails it myself. I think we'd be a bit of a weird ape to be carnivores.

If the fat intake is high then there is no problem losing the waste. Not for me anyway.

[liner33]

Halb said:

YOu'e doing it, wow, well done. I posted in the diet thread a blog of a bloke that did it for 30 days. He kept it to a certain ration, 1.4:1 I think
may be a delicate question, but what I keep thinking about are the business trips to the loo...

THere is a great vid by Mic the Vegan on whether humans are herbivores, I think he nails it myself. I think we'd be a bit of a weird ape to be carnivores.

It was eating meat that allowed us to become the apes we are, without that we would be as smart as chimpanzees (Who eat some meat) , the protein allowed us to grow our brains

Not convinced by the carnivore diet but it seems to work well if you do a lot of weights and it appears to be as healthy at least as a vegan diet and at least you can have a reasoned discussion with carnivores

Carnivore diet is not the Keto diet nor is the Atkins diet although that has elements it lack the nutritional balance that you need to follow the keto diet correctly.

[Halb]

liner33 said:

It was eating meat that allowed us to become the apes we are, without that we would be as smart as chimpanzees (Who eat some meat) , the protein allowed us to grow our brains

Not convinced by the carnivore diet but it seems to work well if you do a lot of weights and it appears to be as healthy at least as a vegan diet and at least you can have a reasoned discussion with carnivores

Carnivore diet is not the Keto diet nor is the Atkins diet although that has elements it lack the nutritional balance that you need to follow the keto diet correctly.

That is one theory, an old one, more recent research suggests otherwise. Meat makes up 3% of a bonobo's diet.
Not sure if carno is as 'healthy', short term it won't kill you, might try it myself when I flick back to weights as a priority, long term it looks like mortality goes up. I've looked at a few carnos on-line, they're just like vegans, some are fine, some are knobs.

Edited by Halb on Saturday 21st April 10:58

[feef]

Some interesting research into artificial sweeteners and their effects on diabetes

https://buff.ly/2K84qBp

[LordGrover]

Halb said:

LordGrover said:

Plenty experimenting with 100% carnivorous diet seem to be doing okay after several years. Not claiming it's optimal for a lifetime, but a few months/years is unlikely do do much/any harm. Not my choice though, I like veg.
I find high quality, properly raised beef and lamb far easier to get than chicken. Pretty much all supermarket chicken is pretty poor quality IMO. Living in the (relative) sticks as I do I'm fortunate having access to a couple of local farm shops where hens, ducks and geese are properly 'free range', not just a supermarket label. Still prefer red meat and occasional seafood though.

YOu'e doing it, wow, well done. I posted in the diet thread a blog of a bloke that did it for 30 days. He kept it to a certain ration, 1.4:1 I think
may be a delicate question, but what I keep thinking about are the business trips to the loo...

THere is a great vid by Mic the Vegan on whether humans are herbivores, I think he nails it myself. I think we'd be a bit of a weird ape to be carnivores.

Not me dude.

[feef]

Halb said:

LordGrover said:

Plenty experimenting with 100% carnivorous diet seem to be doing okay after several years. Not claiming it's optimal for a lifetime, but a few months/years is unlikely do do much/any harm. Not my choice though, I like veg.
I find high quality, properly raised beef and lamb far easier to get than chicken. Pretty much all supermarket chicken is pretty poor quality IMO. Living in the (relative) sticks as I do I'm fortunate having access to a couple of local farm shops where hens, ducks and geese are properly 'free range', not just a supermarket label. Still prefer red meat and occasional seafood though.

YOu'e doing it, wow, well done. I posted in the diet thread a blog of a bloke that did it for 30 days. He kept it to a certain ration, 1.4:1 I think
may be a delicate question, but what I keep thinking about are the business trips to the loo...

THere is a great vid by Mic the Vegan on whether humans are herbivores, I think he nails it myself. I think we'd be a bit of a weird ape to be carnivores.

I think, all things considered, we're a bit of a weird ape regardless of our diet

[Youbecient]

egomeister said:

plain almonds are soul destroying to eat

I like plain almonds actually.. what's so bad about them?

I don't have any excess weight but I would like to decrease the fat percentage and also get rid of break out on my face that appear way too often for someone far over 20. I've been working on cutting sugar and milk and thought my meals were quite balanced. I just started counting calories and also the protein-fat-carbs distribution. And it looks like my carbs intake is around 70% of daily meals! Then I have around 20% of proteins and just under 10% of fats. I don't know.. is it not OK? Should I cut down rice?

[feef]

Youbecient said:

egomeister said:

plain almonds are soul destroying to eat

I like plain almonds actually.. what's so bad about them?

I don't have any excess weight but I would like to decrease the fat percentage and also get rid of break out on my face that appear way too often for someone far over 20. I've been working on cutting sugar and milk and thought my meals were quite balanced. I just started counting calories and also the protein-fat-carbs distribution. And it looks like my carbs intake is around 70% of daily meals! Then I have around 20% of proteins and just under 10% of fats. I don't know.. is it not OK? Should I cut down out rice?

FIFY

I use cauliflower rice when I'm doing a curry or something else with a decent flavour. If I'm doing a stir-fry, I just throw in more beansprouts rather than using rice or noodles (although Oomi low-carb noodles are okay, as long as you don't overcook them)