Keto diet - anyone else?
Discussion
mangos said:
Has anyone suffered after having eating carbs?
I have been restricting carb intake since January and generally manage to stick to it, but I visited family recently and they served up lasagne for dinner.
That night and the whole of the next day I had really bad stomach pain like never before and wondering if I have ended up giving myself issues somehow..
I regularly have treats/nights off inc pizza, chips, burger, many lagers but the one thing that made us both really feel a bit off was a large serve of pasta in an Italian restaurant some friends took us toI have been restricting carb intake since January and generally manage to stick to it, but I visited family recently and they served up lasagne for dinner.
That night and the whole of the next day I had really bad stomach pain like never before and wondering if I have ended up giving myself issues somehow..
ATM said:
Just bought some cold pressed British Rapeseed Oil from Aldi. Can I keep this or does it need to go in the bin as well?
It won’t kill you. Usual crap in the second paragraph of the label though 
Golden rule of carbohydrate and fats, is to do the exact opposite of what they tell you
It would be interesting to know the breakdown of the other macro-nutrients. I can't see any record of the split between protein and fat. Excess protein is known as a contributor to premature disease and mortality.
ETA
Neither Catherine Collins nor Prof Nita Forouhi mentioned on which studies they based their positions, just an assumption that the oft repeated dogma remains unchallenged.
ETA
Neither Catherine Collins nor Prof Nita Forouhi mentioned on which studies they based their positions, just an assumption that the oft repeated dogma remains unchallenged.
Edited by LordGrover on Friday 17th August 10:01
feef said:
Epidemiology is pretty much junk science. I'm sure the 'results' will be shouted from rooftops though: most people won't act where there is doubt. Moderation sounds reasonable. Carbs, pills, and amputations are very profitable.LordGrover said:
Excess protein is known as a contributor to premature disease and mortality.
Not to mention that an effective ketogenic diet does not replace carbohydrate with protein. Successfully managed and maintained ketosis must restrict protein. It amuses me how all these articles and studies on the subject appear to be written by people who don’t even know the basics. Keto is not a high protein diet. Proper ketosis requires the correct amount of protein for your body’s needs (much lower than most think). Nothing changes here. The only thing different is that carbohydrate, the only macronutrient that the body doesn’t need in order to function, is replaced with fat, the macronutrient that is absolutely essential to human life.
Winds me up. You’d think these people would at least attempt to understand what nutritional ketosis is before pedalling misinformation about what it does
grumbledoak said:
Epidemiology is pretty much junk science. I'm sure the 'results' will be shouted from rooftops though: most people won't act where there is doubt. Moderation sounds reasonable. Carbs, pills, and amputations are very profitable.
It's telling that most unis don't offer an out and out course of study in it.Epidemiology = statisticians masquerading as scientists?
NoVetec said:
Epidemiology = statisticians masquerading as scientists?
I'm not sure what they think they are up to. At best the process depends on people correctly remembering what they ate, and then telling the truth about it when they know they are being judged. The paper includes some relevant disclaimers, e.g.
"There are limitations to this study that merit consideration. This study represents observational data and is not a clinical trial..."
"Another limitation of this study is that diet was only assessed at two time intervals, spanning a 6-year period, and dietary patterns could change during 25 years."
etc. but this kind of detail won't make the MSM reports. Much like the Crisco fed mice results recently released. Expect more of it.
Does a survey like this take into account smokers/non smokers, predisposed medical conditions or organic/non organic food sources ?
There must be inestimable variables when surveying 15,400 people over 25 years and yet the scientists report...
"After following the group for an average of 25 years, researchers found that those who got 50-55% of their energy from carbohydrates (the moderate carb group and in line with UK dietary guidelines) had a slightly lower risk of death compared with the low and high-carb groups."
Slightly lower can easily become slightly higher if you add everything up again.
We get a new survey on our health every month or so and often they contradict one another. I must leave a lot of people very confused.
There must be inestimable variables when surveying 15,400 people over 25 years and yet the scientists report...
"After following the group for an average of 25 years, researchers found that those who got 50-55% of their energy from carbohydrates (the moderate carb group and in line with UK dietary guidelines) had a slightly lower risk of death compared with the low and high-carb groups."
Slightly lower can easily become slightly higher if you add everything up again.
We get a new survey on our health every month or so and often they contradict one another. I must leave a lot of people very confused.
loughran said:
Does a survey like this take into account smokers/non smokers, predisposed medical conditions or organic/non organic food sources ?
There must be inestimable variables when surveying 15,400 people over 25 years and yet the scientists report...
"After following the group for an average of 25 years, researchers found that those who got 50-55% of their energy from carbohydrates (the moderate carb group and in line with UK dietary guidelines) had a slightly lower risk of death compared with the low and high-carb groups."
Slightly lower can easily become slightly higher if you add everything up again.
We get a new survey on our health every month or so and often they contradict one another. I must leave a lot of people very confused.
The only thing that “studies” like this take into account is keeping paying customers addicted to carbohydrate. The confusion aspect is a calculated measure to ensure people won’t take any risks that may harm the grain, processed food and pharmaceutical industries. Which is why there is now an increasing amount of bullsThere must be inestimable variables when surveying 15,400 people over 25 years and yet the scientists report...
"After following the group for an average of 25 years, researchers found that those who got 50-55% of their energy from carbohydrates (the moderate carb group and in line with UK dietary guidelines) had a slightly lower risk of death compared with the low and high-carb groups."
Slightly lower can easily become slightly higher if you add everything up again.
We get a new survey on our health every month or so and often they contradict one another. I must leave a lot of people very confused.
t being published as keto and other alternatives gain traction among free-thinking people.ETA: If you want to know how deep the rabbit hole goes, consider that the AMA (Australian Medical Association) recently tried to CENSOR the maker of the film ‘The Magic Pill’ by demanding that Netflix remove it from their listings
Edited by Kenny Powers on Friday 17th August 21:03
loughran said:
Does a survey like this take into account smokers/non smokers, predisposed medical conditions or organic/non organic food sources ?
No. One comment on this paper I saw was that the title could equally have been "Female non-smokers live longer than males" for all the evidence says.
Maybe give up smoking.And the funny thing is that in a few days I know for a fact that I will once again have to endure friends and family telling me I’m going to be dead by the end of the week. Despite being ailment-free, 18% body fat, and being fitter and healthier than any of them.
Kerchiiing! Mission accomplished boys! Pat yourselves on the back and fire-up those combine harvesters again!
Kerchiiing! Mission accomplished boys! Pat yourselves on the back and fire-up those combine harvesters again!
This video is interesting: Dr. Gary Fettke.
Whilst the whole video is of interest, at about 12 minutes there are some relatively new findings...
Whilst the whole video is of interest, at about 12 minutes there are some relatively new findings...
Some great info in that video. Thank you. I didn’t realise that fructose in particular is a leptin inhibitor.
I’ve been saying for a long time that fruit doesn’t contain anything I can’t get from green vegetables besides sugar. Unfortunately, nearly everyone who disapproves of ketosis is a massive fruit nazi. Convincing them it’s all a big con is imposisble. Some might say it’s a fruitless endeavour
Also loved the quote at the end - “it’s easier to fool people than to convince them they’ve been fooled”. So true
I’ve been saying for a long time that fruit doesn’t contain anything I can’t get from green vegetables besides sugar. Unfortunately, nearly everyone who disapproves of ketosis is a massive fruit nazi. Convincing them it’s all a big con is imposisble. Some might say it’s a fruitless endeavour
Also loved the quote at the end - “it’s easier to fool people than to convince them they’ve been fooled”. So true
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