Keto diet - anyone else?

[Tiggsy]

liner33 said:

Bone broth doesn't equal a fast as far as i'm concerned, water only anything else can interrupt autophagy

Agree - was really just step 1!

Having now done 36hrs on 3 cups of broth (so under 100 cals) I can now go onwards from there - either up to 48 hrs + on broth on 36hrs on water.

Just like doing things step at a time to see the effect and understand the effects - I now know 36hrs on 100 cals is fine - so to go go 100% water and electrolytes is an easy step, etc

So interesting that all I've had thus far is a coffee and oil/butter with tuna salad to come at noon and feel so "fine" no hunger at any stage. I've always found the motivation of getting ripped to be very high but the motivation to eat sugar, equally high! Finally feel like the desire to be in shape is now so far ahead of the sugar craves I have things nailed!

I have a cheat day on 14th Feb that I planned 3 months ago - our traditional valentines risotto! My plan was to go all out and add a sugary pudding to the day but right now, I doubt I'll bother. The inclusion of a carb I've not touched in ages is enough via the rice......to go and eat refined sugar as well seems as alien to me as tucking into some heroine!

[liner33]

I do pretty similar , ie dip in and out of ketosis, I don't need to drop my carbs that low to switch and after enjoying a very sinful xmas of eating whatever i wanted, I fasted for 24 hours and then went VLC and was in ketosis in four days , I'm back to my pre xmas weight and will be doing low calories until late next month when I go away for a long weekend of course going low calorie is not a problem if you are overweight but not recommended if your body fat is less than 10%.

[Mothersruin]

I need your advice.

I'm very interested in the Keto Diet - tbf, my weight is pretty stable, I'm low(er) carbs already, love the fats and proteins etc... so I'm sure I can get onto it ok.

My questions are - over and above normal working out and running (a couple of times a week for both - hopefully), I also can be in a position where I have to be able to exert a reasonable amount of energy on demand any time night or day, but also to be able to not rely on a proper meal for a while. In my normal diet, this has been dealt with by ensuring sugary carbs are on hand, Snickers or Mars bars, flapjacks for instance - I'm usually burning tons of calories so it's not an issue per se, however, should I move onto the Keto Diet, what so of instant boosters can I use that don't have to be prepped before hand and can sit in a bag for a while before being used?

Or, is that sort of the point that I'll start to use fat, which in theory I have a decent supply of, and shouldn't have to worry about it?

Also - red wine - I love it. I can restrict how much I have but I'd be loathed to lose it completely.

Thanks in advance.

[NoVetec]

Mothersruin said:

I need your advice.

I'm very interested in the Keto Diet - tbf, my weight is pretty stable, I'm low(er) carbs already, love the fats and proteins etc... so I'm sure I can get onto it ok.

My questions are - over and above normal working out and running (a couple of times a week for both - hopefully), I also can be in a position where I have to be able to exert a reasonable amount of energy on demand any time night or day, but also to be able to not rely on a proper meal for a while. In my normal diet, this has been dealt with by ensuring sugary carbs are on hand, Snickers or Mars bars, flapjacks for instance - I'm usually burning tons of calories so it's not an issue per se, however, should I move onto the Keto Diet, what so of instant boosters can I use that don't have to be prepped before hand and can sit in a bag for a while before being used?

Or, is that sort of the point that I'll start to use fat, which in theory I have a decent supply of, and shouldn't have to worry about it?

Also - red wine - I love it. I can restrict how much I have but I'd be loathed to lose it completely.

Thanks in advance.

I'm no runner, but I found normal cycling and the cycling machines, rower and cross trainer at the gym to be largely easier on keto. The first couple of weeks of keto I'd feel more fatigued when going for it cardio-wise, but keeping up a general pace easier and then the intense part of cardio workouts to be easier by the end of the third week.

That was for my first stab at being in ketosis, done it two more times where I felt the exercise benefit inside a week. Some people report issues of strength loss with regards to lifting weights on keto, some report initial problems adapting before being fine. Similar with electrolyte supplements, some swear by them when in ketosis, others get on fine without.

If you're already low-carb, you shouldn't encounter any prohibitive obstacles when it comes to expending energy when needed. Is this for work? I know someone who's a retained firefighter in a big city i.e. a fair share of callouts, who does keto months at a time without a hitch.

For easy to prep and take food, cold cuts and cheese, nuts (pecans are a fave of mine - one of lower carb nuts), full-fat Greek Yoghurt with or without raspberries or walnuts, tuna mayo salad, leftovers from previous night etc. Having said that, once you're into nutritional ketosis snacks/frequent meals honestly won't be on your mind. You'll have the energy from your fat reserves seeing you through.

Wine's about 4/5 grams of carbs per glass IIRC. If you have to have it - wait until you've done two or three weeks when you're more fat-adapted. Just personally though, I stay away from alcohol and sweeteners when doing keto, both give me headaches unless I'm carbed up beforehand.

[grumbledoak]

Mothersruin said:

My questions are -

You can eat cheese or nuts or drink double cream if you want to, but none of them are going to be dumped into the bloodstream as fuel in the same way as sugar from sweets is. There isn't anything like that in Keto, or really any need for it. You just slowly but constantly burn an effectively limitless fuel. I never snack.

Exercise is fine once you are used to the very different feeling, thought it's probably not the diet for Olympic 100m contenders.

You can drink a little. A glass of wine will probably stop ketosis for 24 hours, but you go back after that. Daily drinking and a "keto" diet will just make you fat.

[So]

grumbledoak said:

You can drink a little. A glass of wine will probably stop ketosis for 24 hours, but you go back after that. Daily drinking and a "keto" diet will just make you fat.

Yes, it then just becomes an odd high-fat diet.

[Mothersruin]

Thanks so far.

How do people find being in Ketosis but then coming out of it for a specific period - holiday etc.. - is it easy to drop back in, and do you instantly add the kilos when you do drop out?

Ok, so I have my 50th birthday this year in Spain and we're staying in a vineyard for 5 days... I won't kick the arse out of it, but I will be drinking and eating with gay abandon (I'll probably still workout/run a bit too) - will I instantly pile on the pounds again?

Sorry - another question - is it worth going full retard on the diet, as in, tomorrow I start full on with 30g carbs etc.. or ease into it?

Thanks again.

[So]

Mothersruin said:

Thanks so far.

How do people find being in Ketosis but then coming out of it for a specific period - holiday etc.. - is it easy to drop back in, and do you instantly add the kilos when you do drop out?

Ok, so I have my 50th birthday this year in Spain and we're staying in a vineyard for 5 days... I won't kick the arse out of it, but I will be drinking and eating with gay abandon (I'll probably still workout/run a bit too) - will I instantly pile on the pounds again?

Sorry - another question - is it worth going full retard on the diet, as in, tomorrow I start full on with 30g carbs etc.. or ease into it?

Thanks again.

You will gain a few pounds quite quickly - it will be water. Keto and alcohol don't work at all together, so you may as well eat carbs.

Personally, I have found cycling keto to be helpful. I don't like keto for long uninterrupted periods.

You should keep the carbs to a minimum whist you are in the induction phase of keto. So start with <30g and later go to <50g.

[Mothersruin]

Thanks again.

[Mothersruin]

As of tomorrow, I shall go for ketosis.

I rarely eat breakfast bar a cup of tea (no sugar).

I need to go buy bacon and cream - love that

[Lemming Train]

As 'So' says, keto + wine = . You can't play at it mixing it up. Either drink wine and eat normally (carbs) or cut out the wine and do keto. Doing both will be a complete waste of your time.

A blow-out on holiday on a normal carb diet will see any loss you've made pile straight back on and there's a high likelihood you'll end up weighing more than when you first started.

As for energy, full carnivore keto dieter here and no problems with energy levels doing around 30 mins on my rower every day but ymmv.

[FocusRS3]

grumbledoak said:

You can eat cheese or nuts or drink double cream if you want to, but none of them are going to be dumped into the bloodstream as fuel in the same way as sugar from sweets is. There isn't anything like that in Keto, or really any need for it. You just slowly but constantly burn an effectively limitless fuel. I never snack.

Exercise is fine once you are used to the very different feeling, thought it's probably not the diet for Olympic 100m contenders.

You can drink a little. A glass of wine will probably stop ketosis for 24 hours, but you go back after that. Daily drinking and a "keto" diet will just make you fat.

This is interesting as i booze at weekends but still try and eat Keto as my wife cooks keto although i guess the Keto diet is really for midweek.

My wife has lost a stone (10.6-9.6) in the space of a few months so nbice and steady and she does stick to it other than weekends.

Are there any dangers to the Keto?

[LordGrover]

Being in a state of ketosis is healthy and beneficial to most.

How you achieve ketosis is another question. I see many people glugging oils and fats in order to achieve ketosis, which I doubt is healthy for anyone.

[So]

LordGrover said:

Being in a state of ketosis is healthy and beneficial to most.

How you achieve ketosis is another question. I see many people glugging oils and fats in order to achieve ketosis, which I doubt is healthy for anyone.

I have some concerns about the levels of animal products that the diet tends to encourage eating. Lots of hormones.

Also I personally find that I look quite haggard on keto after a few weeks, I think due to reduced hydration of subcutaneous fat. Increasing salt and water only partially addresses the problem.

[FocusRS3]

So said:

I have some concerns about the levels of animal products that the diet tends to encourage eating. Lots of hormones.

Also I personally find that I look quite haggard on keto after a few weeks, I think due to reduced hydration of subcutaneous fat. Increasing salt and water only partially addresses the problem.

My missus after losing a stone is looking fantastic and i've not noticed any haggardness.

i need to address what i eat and learn to choose better when i go to a restaurant. Too many carbs in my current diet

[LordGrover]

So said:

I have some concerns about the levels of animal products that the diet tends to encourage eating. Lots of hormones.

Also I personally find that I look quite haggard on keto after a few weeks, I think due to reduced hydration of subcutaneous fat. Increasing salt and water only partially addresses the problem.

Exogenous hormones are not an issue in UK/EU ruminants.
I'd be more concerned about not getting enough animal products in my diet. The anti-meat/animal product propaganda is prevalent, and has no basis in clinical research/trials.

[liner33]

Mothersruin said:

Thanks so far.

How do people find being in Ketosis but then coming out of it for a specific period - holiday etc.. - is it easy to drop back in, and do you instantly add the kilos when you do drop out?

Ok, so I have my 50th birthday this year in Spain and we're staying in a vineyard for 5 days... I won't kick the arse out of it, but I will be drinking and eating with gay abandon (I'll probably still workout/run a bit too) - will I instantly pile on the pounds again?

Sorry - another question - is it worth going full retard on the diet, as in, tomorrow I start full on with 30g carbs etc.. or ease into it?

Thanks again.

I drop in and out all the time , for me 100% keto just isn't practical or necessary (I use it to control my weight), over Xmas I ate and drank as I liked, was "off" for about 3 weeks, I put on a load of weight but within about 3 weeks it was all off again and I was back to pre xmas weight.

I simply stop eating, do a liquid only fast for 24 hours (Water and tea) and then start back at it, getting back into ketosis is very hard I feel hungry and lethargic for a few days but I get a massive energy boost and then I know I'm back into it

[grumbledoak]

FocusRS3 said:

Are there any dangers to the Keto?

No. It is what your body does naturally between meals if you leave the biscuits alone.

[FocusRS3]

grumbledoak said:

No. It is what your body does naturally between meals if you leave the biscuits alone.

I'm trying to re educate myself with choosing food as im a lazy bugger that takes the easy option.

I'm going to the Bike Shed tonight in London and rather than just order Burger/fries or Steak/fries with Mac and Cheese etc im taking a look at the menu now.

I'll try the Steak salad and replace the Potatoes with coleslaw but have some of the sides such as ribs and chicken wings. The goats cheese in Bread crumbs sound good too !

[So]

LordGrover said:

So said:

I have some concerns about the levels of animal products that the diet tends to encourage eating. Lots of hormones.

Also I personally find that I look quite haggard on keto after a few weeks, I think due to reduced hydration of subcutaneous fat. Increasing salt and water only partially addresses the problem.

Exogenous hormones are not an issue in UK/EU ruminants.
I'd be more concerned about not getting enough animal products in my diet. The anti-meat/animal product propaganda is prevalent, and has no basis in clinical research/trials.

There are naturally occurring hormones in meat and dairy. I am no vegan warrior by the way, I eat lots of animals. But I am wary about a diet high in animal products as a middle-aged man. I believe there is some evidence of a link between a high animal product diet and prostate problems.