Keto diet - anyone else?

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ArsE92

20,101 posts

128 months

Wednesday 8th May
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Dick Dastardly said:
Just had a M&S Meat’zza.

Surprised to see a bread free pizza on their shelves, seems quite a niche offering for them. They’ve replaced the dough base with one made of pork.

Tasted good and filled me up. I’ll be buying some more.

320g and every 100g is 6 carbs, 12 protein and 18 fat.
That sounds fantastic. M&S also do a lovely Chicken Madras which is 10g carbs thumbup. Works well with cauliflower rice.

Tiggsy

9,651 posts

193 months

Thursday 9th May
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DuncanM said:
Ok, I don't really get the disgusted at your neighbour thing if you've been big yourself. I'd expect a kinder outlook from someone who has struggled with the same thing.
I was 23 stone! Trust me.....I was pretty disgusting!

I understand 100% the difficulty - the addiction - that there should be no "blame"..... but I'm all for a little disgust. The solution for me was to get up and run instead of eat, anything that pushed me out the door was good and if that push came from my wife/kids thinking I looked grim (which they did, because they had eyes!) then all the better.

Disgusting doesn't come from a dislike of the individual....it comes from the deformity done to the human body. If my kid chopped his finger off in a freak sandwich cutting accident....that would be disgusting. I'd still love him! If he said he didn't need hospital, I'd say "are you kidding....that looks grim". It's the same response I'd give if he told me his fat belly didn't need dealing with. All my kids have gone through a fat stage...they all came out the other side well aware they had create a version of themselves they should not be happy with...so they fixed it (with help and support from me, and their own hard work)

I just feel we are a little too accepting of people damaging themselves in this particular way and it does them (as it did me) no favours. If a kid goes into my sons school and is obese it's "ok".....yet if she went in with scars on her arm from self harming they'd be all over it to get her help. Wall-E had it right. wink

DuncanM

4,009 posts

220 months

Saturday 11th May
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Tiggsy said:
I was 23 stone! Trust me.....I was pretty disgusting!

I understand 100% the difficulty - the addiction - that there should be no "blame"..... but I'm all for a little disgust. The solution for me was to get up and run instead of eat, anything that pushed me out the door was good and if that push came from my wife/kids thinking I looked grim (which they did, because they had eyes!) then all the better.

Disgusting doesn't come from a dislike of the individual....it comes from the deformity done to the human body. If my kid chopped his finger off in a freak sandwich cutting accident....that would be disgusting. I'd still love him! If he said he didn't need hospital, I'd say "are you kidding....that looks grim". It's the same response I'd give if he told me his fat belly didn't need dealing with. All my kids have gone through a fat stage...they all came out the other side well aware they had create a version of themselves they should not be happy with...so they fixed it (with help and support from me, and their own hard work)

I just feel we are a little too accepting of people damaging themselves in this particular way and it does them (as it did me) no favours. If a kid goes into my sons school and is obese it's "ok".....yet if she went in with scars on her arm from self harming they'd be all over it to get her help. Wall-E had it right. wink
Great reply Tiggsy, I'm glad your approach is working for you and yours.

speciald

11 posts

112 months

Sunday 12th May
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The gf has been talking about our terrible diets and potentially giving Keto a try.

Neither of us are particularly overweight, I'm 6ft and 78kg, but I would like to shift some belly fat and reduce the amount of sugar I eat.

The thing that concerns me the most is I am pretty active. I run 40 - 50 miles a week and do a bit of cycling on top. Am I likely to feel lethargic?

DuncanM

4,009 posts

220 months

Sunday 12th May
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speciald said:
The gf has been talking about our terrible diets and potentially giving Keto a try.

Neither of us are particularly overweight, I'm 6ft and 78kg, but I would like to shift some belly fat and reduce the amount of sugar I eat.

The thing that concerns me the most is I am pretty active. I run 40 - 50 miles a week and do a bit of cycling on top. Am I likely to feel lethargic?
At your weight I'd look at bulking up and changing shape rather than fat loss. Skinny fat springs to mind at 12.3 stone.
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grumbledoak

24,086 posts

174 months

Sunday 12th May
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speciald said:
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The thing that concerns me the most is I am pretty active. I run 40 - 50 miles a week and do a bit of cycling on top. Am I likely to feel lethargic?
No. Quite the opposite, usually. It does take time to adjust though, if you are sugar addicted you'll have some withdrawal to get through.

From then on fat fueled is a more constant, less explosive energy than sugar. Not great for sprinters but you should be fine for distance running.

LordGrover

30,483 posts

153 months

Monday 13th May
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DuncanM said:
speciald said:
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Neither of us are particularly overweight, I'm 6ft and 78kg, but I would like to shift some belly fat and reduce the amount of sugar I eat.
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At your weight I'd look at bulking up and changing shape rather than fat loss. Skinny fat springs to mind at 12.3 stone.
Without more information how can you possibly know?
I'm 186cm (6' 1") 75kgs and carrying excess body fat, maybe similar to OP.
In my case; I'm 56 years old, slim build and a lifetime high of nigh on 100kgs. It's hard to lose the residual belly fat and excess skin.
When I lift I gain muscle pretty well but now that the bulk of my excess fat has gone, more muscle gain doesn't affect/reduce my belly fat. It's stubborn.
Currently trying zero carb with IF after c. 6-7 years low carb/keto with a 14 month period of strict vegan/PB thrown in!

Can't be much help OP, but keto can be a great way of life and I certainly feel great when in ketosis. If you're younger with a better history you'll likely have better luck than me.

Tiggsy

9,651 posts

193 months

Monday 13th May
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speciald said:
The gf has been talking about our terrible diets and potentially giving Keto a try.

Neither of us are particularly overweight, I'm 6ft and 78kg, but I would like to shift some belly fat and reduce the amount of sugar I eat.

The thing that concerns me the most is I am pretty active. I run 40 - 50 miles a week and do a bit of cycling on top. Am I likely to feel lethargic?
I run a bit on Keto - I'm not fast (10k - 45mins) but I'm big so it takes a lot more effort to get my 16 stone round a course than the little guys I'm finishing with - even more so if it's a trail run or OCR event. I found I could train on keto fine but to have the extra energy to push hard and hit PB's - I needed carbs. Now a bowl of oats or some brown rice and a staple of my race days (or HEAVY training days).....and I stay in Ketosis just fine.

speciald

11 posts

112 months

Monday 13th May
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Thanks for the responses guys, appreciate you taking the time to reply.

I'm very keen to cut the sugar out and as the gf seems very keen on the keto thing I'll have to try it (not going to cook two seperate meals!) but will see what effect it has with regards to the running and perhaps make some additional changes.

I will find it hard as most of my go to foods are now things I shouldn't eat!

Lemming Train

2,646 posts

13 months

Monday 13th May
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Tiggsy said:
I run a bit on Keto - I'm not fast (10k - 45mins) but I'm big so it takes a lot more effort to get my 16 stone round a course than the little guys I'm finishing with - even more so if it's a trail run or OCR event. I found I could train on keto fine but to have the extra energy to push hard and hit PB's - I needed carbs. Now a bowl of oats or some brown rice and a staple of my race days (or HEAVY training days).....and I stay in Ketosis just fine.
Don't forget that you can get your glucose for performance from protein and still stay in ketosis without needing refined carbs. It's a process called gluconeogenesis. smile

DuncanM

4,009 posts

220 months

Monday 13th May
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LordGrover said:
Without more information how can you possibly know?
I'm 186cm (6' 1") 75kgs and carrying excess body fat, maybe similar to OP.
In my case; I'm 56 years old, slim build and a lifetime high of nigh on 100kgs. It's hard to lose the residual belly fat and excess skin.
When I lift I gain muscle pretty well but now that the bulk of my excess fat has gone, more muscle gain doesn't affect/reduce my belly fat. It's stubborn.
Currently trying zero carb with IF after c. 6-7 years low carb/keto with a 14 month period of strict vegan/PB thrown in!

Can't be much help OP, but keto can be a great way of life and I certainly feel great when in ketosis. If you're younger with a better history you'll likely have better luck than me.
Yeah reading back it comes over a bit dickish, apols.

Probably a bit of jealousy going on at the thought of being 78kg 😆

Tiggsy

9,651 posts

193 months

Monday 13th May
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Lemming Train said:
Tiggsy said:
I run a bit on Keto - I'm not fast (10k - 45mins) but I'm big so it takes a lot more effort to get my 16 stone round a course than the little guys I'm finishing with - even more so if it's a trail run or OCR event. I found I could train on keto fine but to have the extra energy to push hard and hit PB's - I needed carbs. Now a bowl of oats or some brown rice and a staple of my race days (or HEAVY training days).....and I stay in Ketosis just fine.
Don't forget that you can get your glucose for performance from protein and still stay in ketosis without needing refined carbs. It's a process called gluconeogenesis. smile
I know - but I've tried doing gruelling 3 hour obstacle races (think Tough Mudder....but a race, not a fun day out!) and I go better on carbs. It may even be placebo....but I better so it's impact is real.

And rolled oats, etc are carbs I'm happy to tolerate in small doses. They are hardly refined in the sense white carbs are.

Lemming Train

2,646 posts

13 months

Monday 13th May
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ArsE92 said:
Dick Dastardly said:
Just had a M&S Meat’zza.

Surprised to see a bread free pizza on their shelves, seems quite a niche offering for them. They’ve replaced the dough base with one made of pork.

Tasted good and filled me up. I’ll be buying some more.

320g and every 100g is 6 carbs, 12 protein and 18 fat.
That sounds fantastic. M&S also do a lovely Chicken Madras which is 10g carbs thumbup. Works well with cauliflower rice.
Any updates or pics on this guys? I meant to pick some up when out on my travels today but completely forgot about them. rolleyes

Dan130i

2 posts

Tuesday 14th May
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speciald said:
Thanks for the responses guys, appreciate you taking the time to reply.

I'm very keen to cut the sugar out and as the gf seems very keen on the keto thing I'll have to try it (not going to cook two seperate meals!) but will see what effect it has with regards to the running and perhaps make some additional changes.

I will find it hard as most of my go to foods are now things I shouldn't eat!
Hi,

I'm training to become a qualified nutritionist so I know a good amount about stuff like this!

A keto diet isn't in itself a 'magic' diet to make you lose weight or improve health (and I don't mean to offend anybody). The only scientific evidence is that it can benefit people with diabetes and epilepsy. Carbs have also actually been shown to significantly improve performance in sport over a low carb diet.

The overall thing that matter for fat loss is eating less calories than your body needs. If you need 2000 calories a day for example and you're only eating 1500 (a calorie deficit), your body needs to get 500 calories from somewhere to survive and those 500 would come from your fat stores. That is effectively how fat loss works.

Keto is a way to do it and some people really do well on it but there are other ways if it doesn't suit you (I'm not hating on keto!). By cutting out carbs, which per gram are the same calories as protein, you will probably end up either eating less or swapping for veg etc which is lower calorie and therefore you will be in the calorie deficit I mentioned above.

There are a lot of myths in the health industry which I have come to learn is one of THE worst industries because there's so many uneducated morons out there trying to make easy money.

Other things; you can't spot reduce fat. Frustrating but you're body chooses where it comes from and for probably 95% of people, the belly fat is the last place...

The only thing that matters for fat loss is a calorie deficit and how you get in that is your decision whether it be through keto or some other way!

Hope that helps.


Tiggsy

9,651 posts

193 months

Tuesday 14th May
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I'd buy some popcorn for this.....but I don't eat grains.

Lemming Train

2,646 posts

13 months

Tuesday 14th May
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Tiggsy said:
I'd buy some popcorn for this.....but I don't eat grains.
Save your money Tigg.

Phil.

1,450 posts

191 months

Tuesday 14th May
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Tiggsy said:
I'd buy some popcorn for this.....but I don't eat grains.
laugh

NoVetec

9,488 posts

114 months

Tuesday 14th May
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Tiggsy said:
I'd buy some popcorn for this.....but I don't eat grains.
hehe

Another CICO v Keto/low carb and/or IF inbound. biggrin


grumbledoak

24,086 posts

174 months

Tuesday 14th May
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Love the "easy money" line. Which very, very large industries make trillions from CICO? And what is the poster training to be? wink

Halb

47,422 posts

124 months

Tuesday 14th May
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liner33 said:
Yep obviously dont drink it neat (why would you?)dilute with water and have a drink afterwards.
you teaspoon it, like cod liver oil?

Mojooo said:
Has anyone eaten a McDonalds burger on Keto (no buns).

I have generally avoided McDonalds for about 10 years so odd that it is something that can be eaten on a diet.
I follow a guy on insta who has Flying Dutcmen, just the burger and cheese, he got it off Shawn Baker. Can't recall if it's Wendy's or In'n'Out that does it.
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