Keto diet - anyone else?
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Regarding the above - it's water weight. I've seen easy jumps of 3kg after a binge but's gone in a few days. Impossible if it was stored fat.
On another note - an update on my keto approach which for a while now has been keto all day, carbs at tea to send me to sleep.
Spent the last week off road motorcycling to Lands End - 1000 miles of farm tracks, woods, fields......hard riding that would have burnt through a LOT of calories. This wasn't a bimble through the countryside. This was falling off in woods and picking up my bike over and over....hard work.
Anyway...every morning I had a coffee and set off. Around 2/3pm I'd refuel and also have a low carb protein bar. NO HUNGER all day! Drinking LOTS. No time wasting on lunches and pub stops, etc.
When I set up camp I'd have a salad/tuna and just before an early bed I'd have oats, casein protein and a banana or blueberries.
Repeat for a week....work perfectly.
Got back Friday feeling great despite having worked hard all week. Sat AM went and did a fasted parkrun - 20.16 (a PB and certainly the fastest person over 200lbs!!!)
For me, I've cracked keto with targeted carbs. Burn fat all day, have glycogen on hand for when needed and top off at night. Only deviation is if I do a VERY hard event during the day (OCR race) - then I'll have some carbs pre race and supplement with gels during if needed.
On another note - an update on my keto approach which for a while now has been keto all day, carbs at tea to send me to sleep.
Spent the last week off road motorcycling to Lands End - 1000 miles of farm tracks, woods, fields......hard riding that would have burnt through a LOT of calories. This wasn't a bimble through the countryside. This was falling off in woods and picking up my bike over and over....hard work.
Anyway...every morning I had a coffee and set off. Around 2/3pm I'd refuel and also have a low carb protein bar. NO HUNGER all day! Drinking LOTS. No time wasting on lunches and pub stops, etc.
When I set up camp I'd have a salad/tuna and just before an early bed I'd have oats, casein protein and a banana or blueberries.
Repeat for a week....work perfectly.
Got back Friday feeling great despite having worked hard all week. Sat AM went and did a fasted parkrun - 20.16 (a PB and certainly the fastest person over 200lbs!!!)
For me, I've cracked keto with targeted carbs. Burn fat all day, have glycogen on hand for when needed and top off at night. Only deviation is if I do a VERY hard event during the day (OCR race) - then I'll have some carbs pre race and supplement with gels during if needed.
Just a quick update. Been following the plan for 2 weeks now. I snack regularly (which I actually prefer, rather than having breakfast, lunch, dinner etc) on cheese, meat, eggs and nuts. I was never fat to begin with, but I have found I feel thinner and am definitely less bloated. I predict in the next month I will begin to lose the visible (to me) fat - Mrs Novak is a Doctor, and tells me that you lose the internal fat (ie around your organs) first.
Highly recommended.
Highly recommended.
Interesting (i hope) observation on the keto and exercise......
Yesterday I ran an ultra marathon (50km)
First ever, never done more than 20km before and only done that twice in training - normally do the odd 10km mixed in with weights and stuff...so I'm a casual runner (and not built for it - WAY to big!)
Did it in 5.30 and ran it all, no walking so was happy with that.
So keto - it was AMAZING to watch what others where eating! The aid station had sweets and cakes and all sorts....coke, tango, etc - and people were wolfing it down from the start!
I do keto from 2pm (so IF) and then 100-200g carbs last thing at night (ben greenfield style) so I have energy for the next day but burn fat most of the time. My only change for the run was a small bowl of oats at 5am as I find running over 1hr on an empty tummy feels weird sometimes. And then I ran....drank a LOT of water and at 3hrs and 4.30 hrs I had a small sports gel (mainly as they seem to trick my brain into feeling good at a time when I guess my body may be starting to question the whole fat burning thing!) And I felt great.....not hungry once. And really, why should I be - 5 hours of exercise...jogging, I'm not dead lifting for hours! And at 220lbs and 12% body fat, I have energy for days of that!
Turns out there's quite the thing in ultra running of aid stations competing for the best snacks.....there's also a bunch of "heavier" people that run these things (and all power to them) - I just wonder if they realise they are probably eating more calories than they burn (and yet, no doubt, having a 2k cal plus meal to celebrate after!)
Anyway keto felt good (for me) - Came home and had a protein shake, some EAA and small refind sugar free flapjack. After 3 hours had the biggest chicken kebab known to man and treated myslef to half the pita (not had pita in YEARS!!!) before bed had my oats and dark chock - the carbs send to to sleep (at bedtime) and mean today, at 9.30am I'm ready to hit chest in the gym! (just not going to run there today!!!!!)
Yesterday I ran an ultra marathon (50km)
First ever, never done more than 20km before and only done that twice in training - normally do the odd 10km mixed in with weights and stuff...so I'm a casual runner (and not built for it - WAY to big!)
Did it in 5.30 and ran it all, no walking so was happy with that.
So keto - it was AMAZING to watch what others where eating! The aid station had sweets and cakes and all sorts....coke, tango, etc - and people were wolfing it down from the start!
I do keto from 2pm (so IF) and then 100-200g carbs last thing at night (ben greenfield style) so I have energy for the next day but burn fat most of the time. My only change for the run was a small bowl of oats at 5am as I find running over 1hr on an empty tummy feels weird sometimes. And then I ran....drank a LOT of water and at 3hrs and 4.30 hrs I had a small sports gel (mainly as they seem to trick my brain into feeling good at a time when I guess my body may be starting to question the whole fat burning thing!) And I felt great.....not hungry once. And really, why should I be - 5 hours of exercise...jogging, I'm not dead lifting for hours! And at 220lbs and 12% body fat, I have energy for days of that!
Turns out there's quite the thing in ultra running of aid stations competing for the best snacks.....there's also a bunch of "heavier" people that run these things (and all power to them) - I just wonder if they realise they are probably eating more calories than they burn (and yet, no doubt, having a 2k cal plus meal to celebrate after!)
Anyway keto felt good (for me) - Came home and had a protein shake, some EAA and small refind sugar free flapjack. After 3 hours had the biggest chicken kebab known to man and treated myslef to half the pita (not had pita in YEARS!!!) before bed had my oats and dark chock - the carbs send to to sleep (at bedtime) and mean today, at 9.30am I'm ready to hit chest in the gym! (just not going to run there today!!!!!)
BigMacDaddy said:
Halb said:
boiled eggs, corn beef slices, avocado, humus pot, cottage cheese pot, babybel. You can keep things basic.
OK talk me through this one, I've been avoiding humus as I assumed it was pretty carb-heavy; are you saying I've been depriving myself unnecessarily and can actually eat this 
https://www.myfitnesspal.com/food/calories/sweet-c...
Seems no more than a 100g of mixed nuts at 21g
grumbledoak said:
Tiggsy said:
Interesting (i hope) observation on the keto and exercise......
Yesterday I ran an ultra marathon (50km)
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Fantastic stuff! That is where I want to be.Yesterday I ran an ultra marathon (50km)
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Currently about half way. Fine on no food at all that far.
Weight training - can do it fasted
Heavy legs day - can do it fasted but feel better if I've had something (doesnt need to be carbs, just a protein shake an hour before is enough)
5k run - fasted
10k run - can go fasted but will feel (and be) faster if I've had a small amount of carbs 2 hrs before (tiny bowl of oats)
Obstabcle course over 2hrs - Need those oats 2 hrs before and a gel after 1hr (a lot of hard muscle useage - monky bars, rope climbs, carries)
Ultra Run (cause yeah, I'm an ultra runner now!!!!) - Need those oats and a couple of gels.
Will do a 100km event within the next 6 months* and can imagine a nutty,oaty bar of some sort (or 2) might well be needed to be added in.
No idea what event will make me want to eat a brownie mid way!
- Should add - no plans to become a full on ultra runner! but I've discovered my cramps during obstacle races are nothing to do with fulids or salts, etc - it's simple endurance. Get a muscle used to long duration work and it gets used to it. So I figure if I can run a 50km jog - I can crush a 20km obstacle race (i hope!) without cramp.
.I need some help
I’ve just started keto, but when it comes to carbs in THe UK, do you count the total amount of carbs or the carbs of which sugars?!
And what’s the difference?!
I know in America they do net carbs which is carbs - fibre as they are rolled together over there but we keep them separate here.
I’ve just started keto, but when it comes to carbs in THe UK, do you count the total amount of carbs or the carbs of which sugars?!
And what’s the difference?!
I know in America they do net carbs which is carbs - fibre as they are rolled together over there but we keep them separate here.
I went on a mission to lose 5kg/80kg over the last 4 weeks, starting with a few days on the keto diet
Ended up losing 7kg, 2kg of which was lost in the first week where I was doing keto.
After that I moved onto monitoring calories in without avoiding carbs (but still tried to avoid sugar)
I cycled ~120 miles the week I was on the keto diet and it destroyed me. It's an effective diet but made me feel pretty rough! Felt starving for most of the day and extremely weak when I was on the bike
Interesting to see how people get on with it long term
Ended up losing 7kg, 2kg of which was lost in the first week where I was doing keto.
After that I moved onto monitoring calories in without avoiding carbs (but still tried to avoid sugar)
I cycled ~120 miles the week I was on the keto diet and it destroyed me. It's an effective diet but made me feel pretty rough! Felt starving for most of the day and extremely weak when I was on the bike
Interesting to see how people get on with it long term
flight147z said:
I went on a mission to lose 5kg/80kg over the last 4 weeks, starting with a few days on the keto diet
Ended up losing 7kg, 2kg of which was lost in the first week where I was doing keto.
After that I moved onto monitoring calories in without avoiding carbs (but still tried to avoid sugar)
I cycled ~120 miles the week I was on the keto diet and it destroyed me. It's an effective diet but made me feel pretty rough! Felt starving for most of the day and extremely weak when I was on the bike
Interesting to see how people get on with it long term
You didn't "do keto" for a few days. You won't have even begun to change fuel. No wonder you felt sEnded up losing 7kg, 2kg of which was lost in the first week where I was doing keto.
After that I moved onto monitoring calories in without avoiding carbs (but still tried to avoid sugar)
I cycled ~120 miles the week I was on the keto diet and it destroyed me. It's an effective diet but made me feel pretty rough! Felt starving for most of the day and extremely weak when I was on the bike
Interesting to see how people get on with it long term
t on the bike!grumbledoak said:
You didn't "do keto" for a few days. You won't have even begun to change fuel. No wonder you felt st on the bike!
^ that. Transition period is anything from a week to a month and you'll feel generally st on the bike!t, hungry, tired and lacking in oomph until you're through it and burning ketones.Nickbrapp said:
I need some help
I’ve just started keto, but when it comes to carbs in THe UK, do you count the total amount of carbs or the carbs of which sugars?!
And what’s the difference?!
I know in America they do net carbs which is carbs - fibre as they are rolled together over there but we keep them separate here.
Fibre doesn't get broken down, so it doesn't count towards calories/insulin. No need to count fibre.I’ve just started keto, but when it comes to carbs in THe UK, do you count the total amount of carbs or the carbs of which sugars?!
And what’s the difference?!
I know in America they do net carbs which is carbs - fibre as they are rolled together over there but we keep them separate here.
https://www.thekitchn.com/this-is-the-most-importa...
grumbledoak said:
flight147z said:
I went on a mission to lose 5kg/80kg over the last 4 weeks, starting with a few days on the keto diet
Ended up losing 7kg, 2kg of which was lost in the first week where I was doing keto.
After that I moved onto monitoring calories in without avoiding carbs (but still tried to avoid sugar)
I cycled ~120 miles the week I was on the keto diet and it destroyed me. It's an effective diet but made me feel pretty rough! Felt starving for most of the day and extremely weak when I was on the bike
Interesting to see how people get on with it long term
You didn't "do keto" for a few days. You won't have even begun to change fuel. No wonder you felt sEnded up losing 7kg, 2kg of which was lost in the first week where I was doing keto.
After that I moved onto monitoring calories in without avoiding carbs (but still tried to avoid sugar)
I cycled ~120 miles the week I was on the keto diet and it destroyed me. It's an effective diet but made me feel pretty rough! Felt starving for most of the day and extremely weak when I was on the bike
Interesting to see how people get on with it long term
t on the bike!flight147z said:
I went on a mission to lose 5kg/80kg over the last 4 weeks, starting with a few days on the keto diet
Ended up losing 7kg, 2kg of which was lost in the first week where I was doing keto.
After that I moved onto monitoring calories in without avoiding carbs (but still tried to avoid sugar)
I cycled ~120 miles the week I was on the keto diet and it destroyed me. It's an effective diet but made me feel pretty rough! Felt starving for most of the day and extremely weak when I was on the bike
Interesting to see how people get on with it long term
It might be good for losing weight but for cycling not so good.Ended up losing 7kg, 2kg of which was lost in the first week where I was doing keto.
After that I moved onto monitoring calories in without avoiding carbs (but still tried to avoid sugar)
I cycled ~120 miles the week I was on the keto diet and it destroyed me. It's an effective diet but made me feel pretty rough! Felt starving for most of the day and extremely weak when I was on the bike
Interesting to see how people get on with it long term
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