Keto diet - anyone else?
Discussion
Nickbrapp said:
The gym, I am not expecting to be fit as soon as I go, what I was saying, was is there a link between the low carbs and me finding the same cardio I did before starting keto and then after, why was it so much harder after?
Yes. I explained it - again - in the post you just replied to! You are currently a sugar fiend without sugar.a311 said:
Where did I say that?
a311 said:
Part experiment part curiosity I've been on a Kete diet for the past 2 and a bit weeks. I'm going to give it at least a month to see if there are any long term benefits for following a keto lifestyle for me.
I retired from playing first team rugby the end of last season so I've decided to take up fell running to give me some training focus and entered a couple of events. I'll never be built like a fell runner but dropping some weight will make the change of sport easier, also listening to some podcasts reading some articles where keto is suited to endurance sports.
I'm two and a half weeks in. Week one I tried to keep calories high to help with the transition and kept exercise to walks. I'm a bugger for eating crisps and one kit kat can turn in to 3 or 4 so taking the crap totally out of the equation seems to work for me.
Week two started getting back to normal exercise, some runs and weights. Running felt strange, very low on energy for the first 5 minutes then fine after that. I'm coupling this with intermittent fasting through the week, never hungry for breakfast so IF suits me. Not really had any cravings or felt massively hungry in week 2 and finding I feel full quicker when I do eat.
This week I've been feeling tired in the evening and a much shorter fuse than normal, but we have a 3 month old which will be factoring into that.
Meals haven't been too difficult, just need extra planning so there is something I can have that isn't too much trouble to make the same for the rest of the family with some tweaks e.g. Fish pie I just hive my portion off and top with cheese when the Mrs and my daughter have it topped with mash or cous cous, they'll have spaghetti or carbonara and I'll have the same but with spiralled courgette. Reading labels is important, I've been having Billtong as a crisp replacement snack, picked up a bag of Waygu Billtong and it's full of sugar unlike the usual stuff. Average carb intake since I've started is 18g per day.
Not got a hugely sweet tooth, I've had some dark chocolate and normally will have some raspberries and strawberries with double cream. Made some brownies but they weren't great. Bought some Natural Erythritol to sub sugar in recipes and also some almond flour. I'm less arsed about drink the older I get so not really missing a beer. If my fit bit is to believed my resting heart rate has increased by 10 bpm since I started keto.
Stats so far
6'3" starting weight 16st 10lbs 28% body fat
today 16st 4lbs 26% body fat
Anything pie + anything chocolate = not going to work. I retired from playing first team rugby the end of last season so I've decided to take up fell running to give me some training focus and entered a couple of events. I'll never be built like a fell runner but dropping some weight will make the change of sport easier, also listening to some podcasts reading some articles where keto is suited to endurance sports.
I'm two and a half weeks in. Week one I tried to keep calories high to help with the transition and kept exercise to walks. I'm a bugger for eating crisps and one kit kat can turn in to 3 or 4 so taking the crap totally out of the equation seems to work for me.
Week two started getting back to normal exercise, some runs and weights. Running felt strange, very low on energy for the first 5 minutes then fine after that. I'm coupling this with intermittent fasting through the week, never hungry for breakfast so IF suits me. Not really had any cravings or felt massively hungry in week 2 and finding I feel full quicker when I do eat.
This week I've been feeling tired in the evening and a much shorter fuse than normal, but we have a 3 month old which will be factoring into that.
Meals haven't been too difficult, just need extra planning so there is something I can have that isn't too much trouble to make the same for the rest of the family with some tweaks e.g. Fish pie I just hive my portion off and top with cheese when the Mrs and my daughter have it topped with mash or cous cous, they'll have spaghetti or carbonara and I'll have the same but with spiralled courgette. Reading labels is important, I've been having Billtong as a crisp replacement snack, picked up a bag of Waygu Billtong and it's full of sugar unlike the usual stuff. Average carb intake since I've started is 18g per day.
Not got a hugely sweet tooth, I've had some dark chocolate and normally will have some raspberries and strawberries with double cream. Made some brownies but they weren't great. Bought some Natural Erythritol to sub sugar in recipes and also some almond flour. I'm less arsed about drink the older I get so not really missing a beer. If my fit bit is to believed my resting heart rate has increased by 10 bpm since I started keto.
Stats so far
6'3" starting weight 16st 10lbs 28% body fat
today 16st 4lbs 26% body fat
Lemming Train said:
Anything pie + anything chocolate = not going to work.
Wrong. Fish pie mix 200g 0 carbs
60 ml double cream 1 g carbs
60 ml creme fresh 1.7g carbs
30g mature chedder 0 carbs
Green and blacks 85% 18g 4.3g carbs
Willing to have a reasonable discussion but if not just ignore my posts.
Not pointing at anyone, but let's keep it friendly and helpful.
As the topic's grown, it's less likely that new readers will have read the whole thread, and likely just the last page or two. Sometimes it's simpler/nicer to repeat what's gone before, rather than expect them to trawl through nigh on 100 pages.
As the topic's grown, it's less likely that new readers will have read the whole thread, and likely just the last page or two. Sometimes it's simpler/nicer to repeat what's gone before, rather than expect them to trawl through nigh on 100 pages.
Lemming Train said:
OK chap, crack on then and continue to feel like s
t with no energy.
Using a Keto calculator the macros it gave for me were 50g Carbs, 129g Protein and 157g.t with no energy.Doing some prior reading before getting started keeping below 20g carbs seems to be commonly quoted target/threshold.
You said anything pie + anything chocolate won't work, but pie doesn't necessarily have to mean loads of potatoes or pastry and do the carbs from chocolate actually matter provided they are below the 20g?
Edited by topsey.mod on Tuesday 27th August 15:22
LordGrover said:
Not pointing at anyone, but let's keep it friendly and helpful.
As the topic's grown, it's less likely that new readers will have read the whole thread, and likely just the last page or two. Sometimes it's simpler/nicer to repeat what's gone before, rather than expect them to trawl through nigh on 100 pages.
No-one needs to trawl through nigh on 100 pages. On the last 2 pages Tiggsy has posted detailed experiences of his experiments mixing carbs/low-carbs and the effects on his performance/endurance.As the topic's grown, it's less likely that new readers will have read the whole thread, and likely just the last page or two. Sometimes it's simpler/nicer to repeat what's gone before, rather than expect them to trawl through nigh on 100 pages.
Lemming Train said:
LordGrover said:
Not pointing at anyone, but let's keep it friendly and helpful.
As the topic's grown, it's less likely that new readers will have read the whole thread, and likely just the last page or two. Sometimes it's simpler/nicer to repeat what's gone before, rather than expect them to trawl through nigh on 100 pages.
No-one needs to trawl through nigh on 100 pages. On the last 2 pages Tiggsy has posted detailed experiences of his experiments mixing carbs/low-carbs and the effects on his performance/endurance.As the topic's grown, it's less likely that new readers will have read the whole thread, and likely just the last page or two. Sometimes it's simpler/nicer to repeat what's gone before, rather than expect them to trawl through nigh on 100 pages.
Oh, at no point did I eat battered fish!
Carbs for the run where oats and blueberries 3 hours before the start and one gel at 2/3rds into it.
Tiggsy said:
Just to update - Ran the Severn Bridge Half Marathon on Sunday in the crazy heat (Volume increases ahead of surface area so it's hard for big guys to regulate heat as well as shorter ones, hence elephants ears!) - 1.47 time and finished around people that had a runners build so happy enough (Endurance events, I want to be up with the short/lean guys I could batter to death. Strength events, I want to be up with big guys that think an Ultra is a new Marvel character. Then, come the apocalypse, I'm golden!)
Oh, at no point did I eat battered fish!
Carbs for the run where oats and blueberries 3 hours before the start and one gel at 2/3rds into it.
Good effort. I did a 10k trianing run in the heat 478m vertical so quite challenging espeically in the heat. What do you keep your net carbs to on a normal day out of interest? Oh, at no point did I eat battered fish!
Carbs for the run where oats and blueberries 3 hours before the start and one gel at 2/3rds into it.
a311 said:
Using a Keto calculator the macros it gave for me were 50g Carbs, 129g Protein and 157g.
Doing some prior reading before getting started keeping below 20g carbs seems to be commonly quoted target/threshold.
You said anything pie + anything chocolate won't work, but pie doesn't necessarily have to mean loads of potatoes or pastry and do the carbs from chocolate actually matter provided they are below the 20g?
You just seem to be a dick for being a dicks sake.
Doing some prior reading before getting started keeping below 20g carbs seems to be commonly quoted target/threshold.
You said anything pie + anything chocolate won't work, but pie doesn't necessarily have to mean loads of potatoes or pastry and do the carbs from chocolate actually matter provided they are below the 20g?
You just seem to be a dick for being a dicks sake.
So what is a pie if it's not pastry dough? Do you know what a pie is?
It's one of the worst things you can eat if doing a keto diet and you'll be well over your daily carb limit just from eating the pastry, let alone its contents or the bar of dark chocolate you're polishing it off with! 
How long are you doing IF for? That is more likely to be the cause of your lack of energy when exercising.
Stick rigidly to meat, fish, eggs, hard cheese until your body gets used to change and converts to burning ketones for energy. You will then feel the improvements that everyone else who sticks to the instructions feels. When you're playing at it by eating carbs to satisfy your cravings throughout the induction period you'll feel like crap as your body just sits in limbo waiting for the next batch of glucose to arrive. How do you know when you've fully converted to running on ketones? When you can surround yourself with cake, biscuits, pie, chocolate, crisps and have absolutely no interest in eating any of them, instead preferring a nice juicy steak. Once your body has 'trained' itself to running on ketones for energy, then you can introduce some carbs for better performance during your exercise and so long as you don't go crazy with them your body will remain fat-adapted.
a311 said:
Good effort. I did a 10k trianing run in the heat 478m vertical so quite challenging espeically in the heat. What do you keep your net carbs to on a normal day out of interest?
Right now it's pretty consistent.Break-fast (after training around 2pm) Big Salad, tuna, protein shake
Snack - (4.30pm ish) Nuts/fat bomb/greek yog ...one off them, not all 3!
Super - (no later than 7pm) Regular meat based meal but with sweet pot or brown rice
Super pudding - Oats, casein protein, blue berries, dark chock (as in, 100%)
So it's pretty much no carbs until those last 2 meals where I can get up to 100g (less fibre) sometimes more if feeling tired. Maybe 150?
Only change is the oats meal again in the am if I have an event on that needs them.
So - around 100g gross carbs a day. (If I'm having a rest day or just feel well fueled I'll leave the carbs out that day, save a few berries)
Lemming Train said:
So what is a pie if it's not pastry dough? Do you know what a pie is?
It's one of the worst things you can eat if doing a keto diet and you'll be well over your daily carb limit just from eating the pastry, let alone its contents or the bar of dark chocolate you're polishing it off with! How long are you doing IF for? That is more likely to be the cause of your lack of energy when exercising.
Stick rigidly to meat, fish, eggs, hard cheese until your body gets used to change and converts to burning ketones for energy. You will then feel the improvements that everyone else who sticks to the instructions feels. When you're playing at it by eating carbs to satisfy your cravings throughout the induction period you'll feel like crap as your body just sits in limbo waiting for the next batch of glucose to arrive. How do you know when you've fully converted to running on ketones? When you can surround yourself with cake, biscuits, pie, chocolate, crisps and have absolutely no interest in eating any of them, instead preferring a nice juicy steak. Once your body has 'trained' itself to running on ketones for energy, then you can introduce some carbs for better performance during your exercise and so long as you don't go crazy with them your body will remain fat-adapted.
I kept off the dairy in the first two weeks after watching some of Thomas DeLauer videos around starting keto and inflammation.
I generally do a 16:8 fast.
I expect I'm feeling crappy at times because I'm still adjusting, doing quite a lot of exercise or a combination of both.
I experienced the not being surrounded by cake etc and not being interested in it at the weekend.
I wish you a pleasant evening.
Lemming Train said:
a311 said:
Using a Keto calculator the macros it gave for me were 50g Carbs, 129g Protein and 157g.
Doing some prior reading before getting started keeping below 20g carbs seems to be commonly quoted target/threshold.
You said anything pie + anything chocolate won't work, but pie doesn't necessarily have to mean loads of potatoes or pastry and do the carbs from chocolate actually matter provided they are below the 20g?
You just seem to be a dick for being a dicks sake.
Doing some prior reading before getting started keeping below 20g carbs seems to be commonly quoted target/threshold.
You said anything pie + anything chocolate won't work, but pie doesn't necessarily have to mean loads of potatoes or pastry and do the carbs from chocolate actually matter provided they are below the 20g?
You just seem to be a dick for being a dicks sake.
So what is a pie if it's not pastry dough? Do you know what a pie is?
substitute the mash with something else and job jobbed.
feef said:
Shepherds Pie? Cottage Pie?
Fair point. The only times I have had fish pie (which is rarely) is when they've been done in pastry hence my assumption that the OP was also eating same, which is of course a 
on a keto diet. I see from some further investigation that it's more commonly made with a mash topping rather than pastry, similar to shepherds pie and cottage pie. It's all moot anyway as it now transpires he only ate some cod/haddock cheese sauce mix. Even if it had been done with mash it still wouldn't be keto friendly.Nearly all of these "why am I feeling like crap?" moans wouldn't exist if people stuck to the script. Meat, fish, eggs and high fat dairy. That's it. Instead you have them mixing it up with all sorts of carb-laden 'cheats' meaning that their body doesn't know whether it's coming or going on glucose or ketones and unsurprisingly makes them feel like s
t in the process.gregs656 said:
Maybe when you get frustrated with people who are learning the score and feeling a bit rough you should go back and read some of your own posts on that subject to remind your self that it was a learning curve for you too.
I've been doing various keto diets (atkins, carnivore) on and off for years, long before I signed up here. It took literally 60 seconds on google to discover the small list of food types that I should stick to and what not to eat. It's not unreasonable to expect people to do the same basic research, especially when the same question has been answered hundreds of times over the course of this thread by people like Kenny, grumbleoak and Grover.Lemming Train said:
I've been doing various keto diets (atkins, carnivore) on and off for years, long before I signed up here. It took literally 60 seconds on google to discover the small list of food types that I should stick to and what not to eat. It's not unreasonable to expect people to do the same basic research, especially when the same question has been answered hundreds of times over the course of this thread by people like Kenny, grumbleoak and Grover.
There was a time on this thread or another where if I took a shot every time you were told you need to increase your calorie intake to facilitate weight loss I would have been drunk for days. I seem to recall you getting a lot of friendly, easily searchable, advice on rowing too.Just read back over your last couple of posts. If you are going to rant at someone about their choices perhaps you should at least show them to courtesy of reading their posts properly and, if you're unsure what something is (like a fish pie) to do your own basic research before jumping in boots up.
I've been on a low carb - Keto diet since January, I've lost 2.5 stone, no snacks and skip breakfast. My energy is good, football twice a week and a gym 3 times, feeling good and looking ok.
I haven't talked too much about the diet at work, until a couple of colleagues suggested while looking at me that 'I'm ok, I can eat what I like as I'm skinny'. When I corrected them to say earlier in the year I was 16 stone and now I'm around 13.8 thanks to Keto they wanted to learn more. Over the last 3 months they have lost over 5 stone between them.
Keto is a good diet, easy to maintain and results are obvious. Another side to this is that after suffering with IBS for years, cramps and the runs at least twice a month, this has almost been eradicated.
I haven't talked too much about the diet at work, until a couple of colleagues suggested while looking at me that 'I'm ok, I can eat what I like as I'm skinny'. When I corrected them to say earlier in the year I was 16 stone and now I'm around 13.8 thanks to Keto they wanted to learn more. Over the last 3 months they have lost over 5 stone between them.
Keto is a good diet, easy to maintain and results are obvious. Another side to this is that after suffering with IBS for years, cramps and the runs at least twice a month, this has almost been eradicated.
Just had a little catch up on the last 10 or so pages I have missed. Is everyone alright? Do some of us need a Snickers? (A keto friendly one) 
Anyway, wanted to drop in, it seems that some people have achieved some HUGE weight losses since January looking at the 2019 Weight Loss Table which is amazing!! I havent fallen off the wagon, I just havent updated in a long time and there isnt anything to really update it with.
I am about 2 stone down since starting in January, perhaps a bit more but I do not weigh myself that regularly as whilst weight loss will be a bonus I adopted this lifestyle for the improvement in general wellbeing and mental alertness and to battle afternoon post lunch fatigue slumps that were destroying my productivity.
This way of eating and lifestyle change has been a revelation for me, I feel better than I have ever felt before, more energy, more focussed, and healthier.
Hope everyone is well.
Anyway, as you were
Anyway, wanted to drop in, it seems that some people have achieved some HUGE weight losses since January looking at the 2019 Weight Loss Table which is amazing!! I havent fallen off the wagon, I just havent updated in a long time and there isnt anything to really update it with.
I am about 2 stone down since starting in January, perhaps a bit more but I do not weigh myself that regularly as whilst weight loss will be a bonus I adopted this lifestyle for the improvement in general wellbeing and mental alertness and to battle afternoon post lunch fatigue slumps that were destroying my productivity.
This way of eating and lifestyle change has been a revelation for me, I feel better than I have ever felt before, more energy, more focussed, and healthier.
Hope everyone is well.
Anyway, as you were
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