Keto diet - anyone else?

[littlegreenfairy]

Phil. said:

littlegreenfairy said:

I’m ignoring him

Quite happy with my ‘rabbit food’

Will do a lot of reading- thank you for all the links. Very helpful.

There are a lot more vegan low carb items you can buy from the supermarket and I’m happy to suggest some items if you wish?

It’s also really easy to replace spag bog, chilli, several different curries (while keeping it low carb) if you don’t mind a bit of chopping and cooking. Take a look at Pininterest for some ideas, or again I’m happy to share.

Good luck, it takes a bit of time and motivation to transition.

That would be wonderful thank you.

Always happy to be doing a little extra chopping and cooking.

You know what would blow Lemming’s mind? We’re mostly a gluten free house too because of my husband. (I’ve been known to sit in a supermarket car park and scarf down bread/pastry as I missed the texture so badly 😂😂) So I’m usually making three versions of the same dinner- veggie, gluten free and ‘normal’ for our three year old.

[LordGrover]

Phil. said:

Back on topic.......

Pleased (and surprised) to see you making vegan keto work.
I made it 14 months vegan/WFPB and had to quit. After the initial bounce of the first month or two I found it very hard going - can't imagine what a keto version would be like.
It's simply not viable for me for many reasons, but I'd be interested to see how you get on. I like to see the whole picture, not just opinions that agree with my own.

[Phil.]

LordGrover said:

Pleased (and surprised) to see you making vegan keto work.
I made it 14 months vegan/WFPB and had to quit. After the initial bounce of the first month or two I found it very hard going - can't imagine what a keto version would be like.
It's simply not viable for me for many reasons, but I'd be interested to see how you get on. I like to see the whole picture, not just opinions that agree with my own.

Thanks for the support LG. It all comes down to motivation and in my case its my long-term health. Not being vegan isn’t an option for me after nearly 4 years and everything I’ve learned. Which means if I want to lose weight and control my blood sugars then keto is my only option whilst avoiding medication, which is my decision. I’ve also taken a step back from full-time work this year which means I have more time for regular exercise. All in all I’m feeling great which helps with the motivation.

There is pretty much a vegan replacement for all low carb food. It just takes a bit of finding and the occasional compromise. I’ll post up some more vegan keto stuff for LGF later today.

[Phil.]

This is more of a pictorial because all these low carb vegan products are available in most supermarkets.

Before the moaners arrive, yes, a lot of what I have shown is processed and I only eat processed stuff occasionally and with some nice veg. We cook most nights from basics. But this provides an indication of the variety of products readily available if you want to try vegan keto. And the range of available low carb vegan products is increasing weekly. I'm sure I have missed a few too.

A couple of items I haven't listed below include tofu scramble that we make from scratch is and eat it as part of a 'full English breakfast' vegan style. Hummus in moderation is also a good go to.Olives and olive spread is great. Plus loads of salad and veg cooked in a variety of ways with a variety of herbs and spices to make chilli's, curry's, spag big etc. As mentioned in an earlier post there are lots ideas and recipes on Pinterest.

I no particular order, and provided as an example not the definitive list:

[mooseracer]

Marmite peanut butter!

[feef]

Phil. said:

This is more of a pictorial because all these low carb vegan products are available in most supermarkets.

Before the moaners arrive, yes, a lot of what I have shown is processed and I only eat processed stuff occasionally and with some nice veg. We cook most nights from basics. But this provides an indication of the variety of products readily available if you want to try vegan keto. And the range of available low carb vegan products is increasing weekly. I'm sure I have missed a few too.

A couple of items I haven't listed below include tofu scramble that we make from scratch is and eat it as part of a 'full English breakfast' vegan style. Hummus in moderation is also a good go to.Olives and olive spread is great. Plus loads of salad and veg cooked in a variety of ways with a variety of herbs and spices to make chilli's, curry's, spag big etc. As mentioned in an earlier post there are lots ideas and recipes on Pinterest.

The problem is that most of those also claim to be low-fat and are stuck in the 'traditional' nutritional idea that fat = bad.
Yes you can get a lot of that stuff on a Vegan diet, but it may take a bit more effort to get the fat content high enough

[BigMacDaddy]

I've had the Barenaked noodles before (I'd be happy with courgetti, but my wife moans that they're not noodle-like enough, grrr).

Anyway I was pleasantly surprised, on their own they have no taste whatsoever, but they do take on the flavour of what you cook them with very well. Have used them with meatballs and in chinese stir-fry type dishes so far, and the texture works better than the courgetti so consider me a convert

[Nickbrapp]

I can highly recommend the M&S plant range Cumberland sausage, they really do taste like a real Cumberland Sausage. Made from soy obviously and very low carb.

[Phil.]

feef said:

The problem is that most of those also claim to be low-fat and are stuck in the 'traditional' nutritional idea that fat = bad.
Yes you can get a lot of that stuff on a Vegan diet, but it may take a bit more effort to get the fat content high enough

There’s are plenty of ways of consuming fat on a vegan diet. Nuts, coconut, olives and avocados are examples of high fat items and all the products containing them. A handful of pecans (20g) alone provides around 15g of fat. I’ve used Cronometer regularly and had no problem achieving my daily fat intake target. No hunger pangs here.

[Phil.]

I knocked this up in 10mins this evening. Very tasty.

[Lemming Train]

Lemming Train said:

^

This is the one I bought but it's back up at £100 now whereas I paid £90 : https://www.argos.co.uk/product/7988321

If you want an easy life when it comes to cleaning then I recommend it simply because of the basket : https://housinghere.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06... as it's a piece of piss to clean vs metal wire racks/baskets in other models like the expensive Philips ones where all the crud gets stuck to them.

Mine continues to churn out the porky goodness :

RIP the Air Fryer after only 2.5 months! The fan started making a terrible clattering noise when spooling up and down at the start and end which didn't sound healthy, although it still worked OK, but more annoying was the black coating in the bottom pan had started to bubble and was peeling off in chunks leaving an exposed rusty metal after washing it. Also the basket became non-non-stick after half a dozen uses and foods like sausages would weld themselves to the bottom which became really hard work to clean afterwards, even with a good soaking. So it went back to Argos today and immediately they gave me a brand new one!

I can't fault the cooking as it does meats really well, but I fear I'll have the same problems again within a few months. I've looked at more expensive models but even those don't seem to last more than a year or so before the fan or motor packs up and/or the coating comes away.

[maxwellwd]

Hi all, looking for some advice here. I have pretty high cholesterol whereby I have to take statins and have done for about 3/4 years

It is more of a genetic issue with me rather than diet & lifestyle. (38 years old) My question is, can a Keto diet help with Cholesterol? It is something I have vaguely looked at before and have followed this thread on and off for the last year, but keen to get contributors thoughts on this

Ideally I would rather take statins every other day as they do cause muscle stiffness/cramps but going to the gym and taking ZMA supplements alleviates this somewhat, would love to not have to keep taking them though

[Phil.]

There appear to be conflicting reports on the impact of Keto on cholesterol levels (LDL/HDL):

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/326320.p...

You’re probably aware that cholesterol is consumed through meat, dairy and eggs, so eating more vegetables, nuts and seeds (none of which contain any cholesterol) would reduce your intake.

[grumbledoak]

maxwellwd said:

Hi all, looking for some advice here. I have pretty high cholesterol whereby I have to take statins and have done for about 3/4 years

It is more of a genetic issue with me rather than diet & lifestyle. (38 years old) My question is, can a Keto diet help with Cholesterol? It is something I have vaguely looked at before and have followed this thread on and off for the last year, but keen to get contributors thoughts on this

Ideally I would rather take statins every other day as they do cause muscle stiffness/cramps but going to the gym and taking ZMA supplements alleviates this somewhat, would love to not have to keep taking them though

I've been on statins. The side effects caused me to read quite a lot about them. You might want to start here:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Great-Cholesterol-Dr-Malc...

tl;dr - it turns out that total serum cholesterol, or the LDL component, are very poor predictors of coronary heart disease - the big fear of the day back in the 1950s. You heard about cholesterol because it was "bigged up", because the pharma companies knew of compounds that would reduce those readings. The numbers needed to treat (NNT) are high, and the side effects are worse than generally admitted. But they've made billions selling them! Ka-ching! We're only hearing the truth now they are falling out of patent, just in time for the next wonder drug, PCSK9s, but I digress.

A far better predictor of mortality is TG:HDL - that is the ratio of triglycerides to HDL cholesterol. High triglycerides being a "bad" sign and high HDL a "good" one. A ketogenic diet can help you here. Because triglycerides *are* driven by diet - dietary carbs in fact - and a keto diet will remove those carbs.

Obviously I don't know your readings, but maybe talk with your doctor about which readings are prompting the statins and ask about measuring your TG:HDL? Some doctors are much more open than others to lifestyle and diet change, or to the bad news about the wonder drug. But they might be interested in your blood work before and after three months of strict keto...

Best of luck.

[grumbledoak]

Phil. said:

You’re probably aware that cholesterol is consumed through meat, dairy and eggs, so eating more vegetables, nuts and seeds (none of which contain any cholesterol) would reduce your intake.

Reducing dietary cholesterol has no effect on serum cholesterol. Your body will simply make more to compensate. It is vital stuff.

[scjgreen]

Been on Keto WOE since the end of September

Just around 2st 3lbs lost.

3 Inches gone off my waist, 2 Inches off my chest.

Heartburn/Acid Reflux has dissapeared, Sleeping much better and not always out of breath!

[NoVetec]

Roadkill?

You've had too many chicken dinners. /firststjokeofthedecadeouttheway

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Going to do another burst of cyclical keto soon. Not a New Year's thing, will start in April time I reckon. Keto's definitely BBQ friendly, easily so IMO.

Like the idea of some endurance cardio in good weather whilst running on fat for fuel for a few months.

[Neptune188]

Getting back on this. Two years since I was last here, Got out of shape last year. Need to loose 2st, so I reckon 3 months should do it.

Let's see how we go...is DietDoctor still a good resource for recipes? Anywhere else?

[grumbledoak]

Neptune188 said:

Getting back on this. Two years since I was last here, Got out of shape last year. Need to loose 2st, so I reckon 3 months should do it.

Let's see how we go...is DietDoctor still a good resource for recipes? Anywhere else?

Ted Naiman MD is good for info, less so for recipes
https://www.burnfatnotsugar.com/

[LordGrover]

grumbledoak, are you still ZC/carno or back to keto?