Keto diet - anyone else?

[mattwh]

VR99 said:

Well done for following a diet and the weight loss!
I'm in a similar boat with family riddled by diabetes, high BP and heart issues..so a great starting point genetically lol.
How did you 'begin' keto? I've tried keto before but not consciously and more accidently... it was quite a few years back and I literally cut all starchy carbs..it worked with the weight loss but was too extreme and too quick..ended up looking like I had just come out of a famine/POW camp and lost muscle too so the resulting weight gain later when I was scoffing carbs due to the built-up cravings meant I ended up in a worse position than when I started.

I've come to a point where I think keto is probably the best diet for my body type and genes. South Asian, easily put on bf/weight and get the 'sleepy hangover' from large meals which to me suggests bordering on insulin-resistant though was tested as negative for diabetes recently.

Other half started it so it made sense to move over to it - mixing her main meals (high fat / protein) with mash, pasta and chips was a one-way street to obesity !

Using an App to log and monitor (a carrot rather than stick approach) helped me as did being able to still have the foods I enjoy (albeit only at the weekends) like wine, beer, toast, chips etc.

The food I eat now is equally (if not more so) tasty, it just has no carbs.

[RedAndy]

Lemming Train said:

... I was losing 1.5 to 2 kg every week

Is that lot then? I lost 3kg in my first week of burgersneggs and was a bit miffed about it - thought it'd be more. But if a couple of KG a week is good then I'm more upbeat about it!

[Lemming Train]

RedAndy said:

Lemming Train said:

... I was losing 1.5 to 2 kg every week

Is that lot then? I lost 3kg in my first week of burgersneggs and was a bit miffed about it - thought it'd be more. But if a couple of KG a week is good then I'm more upbeat about it!

First week = mostly fluid loss. You won't do 3kg every week, I can guarantee you that. Even 2kg every week is pushing it and you're at risk of doing damage to yourself, eg. muscle mass loss and loose skin.

[RedAndy]

Lemming Train said:

First week = mostly fluid loss. You won't do 3kg every week, I can guarantee you that. Even 2kg every week is pushing it and you're at risk of doing damage to yourself, eg. muscle mass loss and loose skin.

righto. thanks, makes sense: I have noticed an increase in frequency and duration of peeing, and subsequent need to drink a lot of water! I'll keep at it then and see. I've got over the craving for bread and chocolate already. I thought it'd take longer than that. I'm now going in to the cutting own on portions bit... try to fast as well as keto.

[Louis Balfour]

RedAndy said:

righto. thanks, makes sense: I have noticed an increase in frequency and duration of peeing, and subsequent need to drink a lot of water! I'll keep at it then and see. I've got over the craving for bread and chocolate already. I thought it'd take longer than that. I'm now going in to the cutting own on portions bit... try to fast as well as keto.

Don't go bonkers. If you're >40 fast weight loss isn't a good look. >50 you run the risk of looking like a cadaver. That applies to any diet, and with keto you have the delicious double whammy of a lack of subcutaneous hydration.

In addition to which you'll probably put it all back on again.

Slow and consistent wins. It's easier to stick with and you won't feel or look like death. A stone a year is not too slow, if you're already fairly slim.

[Lordbenny]

My Mrs took up Keto over a year ago to help with migraines (she didn’t need to lose weight) She also takes salt three or four times a day. I joined her....so no pasta, potatoes, cakes, pastry or bread as well as fasting. I have a cup of tea first thing in the morning and a small fry up around 11am. We then eat around 6pm and fast until 11am the next day. If we’re invited to a dinner party the Keto goes out the window and I will have the occasional beer/glass of wine but I must say....it works. But....it’s a lifestyle not a diet. I also think it’s the reason I had mild Covid symptoms recently.

[Type R Tom]

Anyone got a good recipe for BBQ sauce? Fancy ribs this weekend. Seen a few online but was planning on experimenting with a drop of tomato puree, vinegar, erythritol and some spices.

Hot sauce being carb free (generally) is a life saver so buffalo wings and blue cheese on the plan too.

[omniflow]

Type R Tom said:

Anyone got a good recipe for BBQ sauce? Fancy ribs this weekend. Seen a few online but was planning on experimenting with a drop of tomato puree, vinegar, erythritol and some spices.

Hot sauce being carb free (generally) is a life saver so buffalo wings and blue cheese on the plan too.

Is it worth starting a Keto recipes thread (there might be one hidden away somewhere)?

There are a fair few suggestions on this thread, but it's 130 pages, so probably not efficient.

Not sure whether it should be in Health Matters or Food, Drink etc.

I've had good success with Thai coconut based dishes - cauliflower rice is tolerable.

A decent BBQ sauce recipe would be fantastic - however, I'm not a fan of artificial sweeteners so would need to work around that. I made Coronation Chicken last week and pretty much stuck to my pre-keto recipe. Curry powder fried in quite a lot of oil with onions and garlic and then sieved. A mix of mayonnaise, creme fraiche and full fat greek yoghurt, some lemon juice and then about 50g net of sieved apricot jam - which was probably 40g of carbs. However, this did 8+ portions, so I figured that was ok. Not sure the same approach would work with BBQ sauce though - the nice ones have a LOT of sugar in them.

[soxboy]

I had this chicken satay at lunch;

https://www.dietdoctor.com/recipes/chicken-satay-s...

It made the nicest dipping sauce I think I’ve ever had

[Type R Tom]

omniflow said:

Is it worth starting a Keto recipes thread (there might be one hidden away somewhere)?

There are a fair few suggestions on this thread, but it's 130 pages, so probably not efficient.

Not sure whether it should be in Health Matters or Food, Drink etc.

I've had good success with Thai coconut based dishes - cauliflower rice is tolerable.

A decent BBQ sauce recipe would be fantastic - however, I'm not a fan of artificial sweeteners so would need to work around that. I made Coronation Chicken last week and pretty much stuck to my pre-keto recipe. Curry powder fried in quite a lot of oil with onions and garlic and then sieved. A mix of mayonnaise, creme fraiche and full fat greek yoghurt, some lemon juice and then about 50g net of sieved apricot jam - which was probably 40g of carbs. However, this did 8+ portions, so I figured that was ok. Not sure the same approach would work with BBQ sauce though - the nice ones have a LOT of sugar in them.

Yeah, could be an idea. I bought the Keto Kitchen book but was a little disappointed. Hate searching sites and blog posts with a life story before the recipe.

I'm planning on using some Heinz "no added sugar" tom sauce as the base, then add cider vinegar, smoke chili powder, liquid smoke and the bag juices from the ribs currently in the sous vide. I Will probably use a drop of Erythritol if I have to and anything else I think may work from the spice cupboard.

Going to be an experiment, not got much else to do on a Saturday afternoon and if it doesn't work they will be plain rub and hot sauce.

[omniflow]

Type R Tom said:

Yeah, could be an idea. I bought the Keto Kitchen book but was a little disappointed. Hate searching sites and blog posts with a life story before the recipe.

I'm planning on using some Heinz "no added sugar" tom sauce as the base, then add cider vinegar, smoke chili powder, liquid smoke and the bag juices from the ribs currently in the sous vide. I Will probably use a drop of Erythritol if I have to and anything else I think may work from the spice cupboard.

Going to be an experiment, not got much else to do on a Saturday afternoon and if it doesn't work they will be plain rub and hot sauce.

I'm getting a bit obsessed with all of this.....

100g of that Heinz ketchup is 23 grams of carbs.

If it makes enough BBQ sauce for 4 portions, and a bit drips off the side of the ribs in the final stages of cooking, then that's 5grams / portion (a bit more for the vinegar). Then a slaw made with mostly cabbage / other greens and some guacamole and you've got a pretty decent BBQ meal. Actually - if you just coat the ribs before the final cooking stage, and don't slather them in sauce when they're on your plate, then 100g might go alot further than 4 portions. Let me know how you get on.

[Type R Tom]

I love bbq and smoking, normally don't sauce them as they are nice with natural smoke but find oven ones miss something so need sauce. The ketchup I'm using is 5.4g per 100g so much lower.

[DaveGrohl]

omniflow said:

Type R Tom said:

Anyone got a good recipe for BBQ sauce? Fancy ribs this weekend. Seen a few online but was planning on experimenting with a drop of tomato puree, vinegar, erythritol and some spices.

Hot sauce being carb free (generally) is a life saver so buffalo wings and blue cheese on the plan too.

Is it worth starting a Keto recipes thread (there might be one hidden away somewhere)?

There are a fair few suggestions on this thread, but it's 130 pages, so probably not efficient.

Not sure whether it should be in Health Matters or Food, Drink etc.

I've had good success with Thai coconut based dishes - cauliflower rice is tolerable.

A decent BBQ sauce recipe would be fantastic - however, I'm not a fan of artificial sweeteners so would need to work around that. I made Coronation Chicken last week and pretty much stuck to my pre-keto recipe. Curry powder fried in quite a lot of oil with onions and garlic and then sieved. A mix of mayonnaise, creme fraiche and full fat greek yoghurt, some lemon juice and then about 50g net of sieved apricot jam - which was probably 40g of carbs. However, this did 8+ portions, so I figured that was ok. Not sure the same approach would work with BBQ sauce though - the nice ones have a LOT of sugar in them.

Dietdoctor.com has a lot of good recipes. We aren't full on keto, low carb prob, but the pizza recipe is a gamechanger. I love pizza apart from the bread lol so keto pizza is defo the future, so so tasty.

[DaveGrohl]

RedAndy said:

Lemming Train said:

First week = mostly fluid loss. You won't do 3kg every week, I can guarantee you that. Even 2kg every week is pushing it and you're at risk of doing damage to yourself, eg. muscle mass loss and loose skin.

righto. thanks, makes sense: I have noticed an increase in frequency and duration of peeing, and subsequent need to drink a lot of water! I'll keep at it then and see. I've got over the craving for bread and chocolate already. I thought it'd take longer than that. I'm now going in to the cutting own on portions bit... try to fast as well as keto.

Also it's important to have a bit more salt than you may be used to, helps with possible keto flu symptoms and dehydration as the body runs down its glycogen reserves.

[Huntsman]

We've just had a cheese sauce made with creme fraiche and mozzarella. Lush!

[BigMacDaddy]

Type R Tom said:

I love bbq and smoking, normally don't sauce them as they are nice with natural smoke but find oven ones miss something so need sauce. The ketchup I'm using is 5.4g per 100g so much lower.

I occasionally use the Skinny Sauces ketchup and it's OK, but not a patch on the real thing. Had no idea the Heinz stuff was that low until you mentioned it and a quick check on the product website has convinced me that's gonna be the way forward, I only have a small squirt every now and then so that'll do nicely.
Only thing I would say with regards to BBQ is that it's sucralose-based, which when heated/cooked with can break down into other nastier chemicals, so as the base for a sauce to add after smoking/BBQing it looks ideal but I'd not use it as a marinade or cooking sauce myself

[Type R Tom]

BigMacDaddy said:

Type R Tom said:

I love bbq and smoking, normally don't sauce them as they are nice with natural smoke but find oven ones miss something so need sauce. The ketchup I'm using is 5.4g per 100g so much lower.

I occasionally use the Skinny Sauces ketchup and it's OK, but not a patch on the real thing. Had no idea the Heinz stuff was that low until you mentioned it and a quick check on the product website has convinced me that's gonna be the way forward, I only have a small squirt every now and then so that'll do nicely.
Only thing I would say with regards to BBQ is that it's sucralose-based, which when heated/cooked with can break down into other nastier chemicals, so as the base for a sauce to add after smoking/BBQing it looks ideal but I'd not use it as a marinade or cooking sauce myself

I need a drop of tom sauce with my bacon and eggs! The BBQ sauce I made was pretty good, you could tell it wasn't true but nice enough on ribs. However, I didn't know about the sucralose issue, I heated the sauce twice! Will do some more research.

[BigMacDaddy]

Yeah the stuff I read suggested it's fine up to 98 degrees centigrade, after which it starts to break down into some other compounds that you'd probably rather avoid. Probably fine just warming it in a pan as long as you don't bring it to the boil, but I'd personally not want to stick it in the oven/bbq on food for prolonged periods. Might be minimal risk and of course depends how much sucralose is in a given quantity of the sauce too I guess, but I'm gonna err on the side of caution.

Anyway I'm like you, I prefer to dry-rub ribs, brisket etc before smoking and then just add some sauce to the finished article. Dammit, I'm hungry now

[Evoluzione]

Teddy Lop said:

Evoluzione said:

grumbledoak said:

Evoluzione said:

It's all processed meat which contains nothing your body needs, but everything that causes bowel cancer and other issues. If that is just once a week or fortnight (given the size) it'll be ok.

Sausages are not "processed meat" in that sense. And that whole "processed meat linked to cancer" has been debunked repeatedly, e.g. here: "low to very low certainty evidence of little to no effect on risk"
https://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/2752328/unproce...

I've never seen a sausage running round in a field Only on burying their heads on PHers neighbours lawns.
I'll read the other later, but really you don't know what to believe, as soon as you read one report another comes along that debunks it!

sausage is a difficult one as the term covers a lot of ground from low grade, full of crap to just meat and a few herbs and spices.

Most "meat gives you cancer" assertions come from studies that fail to account for lifestyle factors and the simple fact is if you take 100 meat eaters and 100 non meat eaters, your average vege/vegan is less likely to smoke/drink or eat to excess, more likely to exercise etc etc. The (very few) studies that have accounted for lifestyle show negligible difference in cancer risk.

Read my post properly. It isn't meat which is the problem, it's processed meat.

[Lemming Train]

What are we all going to do when Klaus gets his way and meat is banned for consumption by normies, instead having a choice of "plant-based protein" or nothing at all?

PS. G.O. did you get my email the other day?