Naturally thin?

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pushthebutton

1,097 posts

182 months

Monday 21st August 2017
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There's no magic involved.

Chances are that you eat about the right amount to sustain your body weight based on your activity levels. I'd guess that if you're full you stop eating and if you've over-indulged then you possibly skip a meal to balance things out? For some people this happens subconsciously/naturally and for others it takes a conscious effort (me).

Other people can't/don't do this.

Maxf

8,409 posts

241 months

Monday 21st August 2017
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Some people definitely don't have an 'off' switch. I'll gladly finish whatever is on my plate, long after the immediate hunger is sated - if I like the taste, I'll keep eating, to get more of the taste. It's mostly 'healthy' savories for me too, I can't do the same with cakes or ice cream for example, but give me a massive bowl of pasta...

Luckily I'm pretty active (but still not 'slim'), but I'm going to have to change my eating habits if I have to stop being as active for some reason.

DuncanM

6,183 posts

279 months

Monday 21st August 2017
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BenjiS said:
Rule of thumb for losing weight it 1lb of fat is 3000 calories. So you cut 500 calories out per day to cut 1lb of weight per week.

Running that sum the other way... To gain 1 stone in 2 weeks, that's 1lb per day. So an extra 3000 calories per day. Whilst a lot, if you're completely sedentary, boozing heavily, and eating junk for the whole day, then I can see 3000 extra calories per day being achievable. 3000 calories is 10 pints and a pizza.
I like this post, it shows how easy excess calories can be consumed!

Excess is so much easier to do, because it is great fun - if you love food and drink!

otolith

56,132 posts

204 months

Monday 21st August 2017
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There are some interesting indications that gut microbes may have something to do with the difference between individuals with similar lifestyles and very different outcomes.

This was a case of someone who had a transplant of gut bacteria from her overweight daughter to cure a C. difficile infection. It worked, it cured her, but she suddenly started to gain weight.

http://www.idsociety.org/FMT_Weight_Gain/

See also;

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-gut...

tankplanker

2,479 posts

279 months

Monday 21st August 2017
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pushthebutton said:
There's no magic involved.

Chances are that you eat about the right amount to sustain your body weight based on your activity levels. I'd guess that if you're full you stop eating and if you've over-indulged then you possibly skip a meal to balance things out? For some people this happens subconsciously/naturally and for others it takes a conscious effort (me).

Other people can't/don't do this.
Agree with this. Anybody who is stuck as to why they are fat, thin or just the right weight needs to keep an accurate food and exercise diary using myfitnesspal for a month, it should be very clear as to why you are the shape you are from that. Most people, including skinnies, lie or incorrectly estimate about either how much they eat or how much they exercise over an extended period. Eating a ton of food one day but then under eating the next few days doesn't mean you'll get fat, neither does eating loads then starving yourself for a single day make you skinny. Weight loss or gain is an extended period of calories under/over your actual calorie expenditure.

I haven't seen anything to suggest outside of a small number of extremes at either end that there is much more than a few hundred calories either side of the average for BMR in somebody the same weight/age/height/sex.

People who are naturally skinny seem to not snack, fatties snack more often than not, and the skinnies tend to miss a meal or two on a regular basis particularly if they have eaten a big meal recently. If your body is regulating how full you feel properly then you will have to force yourself to over eat at a meal to catch up or over eat. Fatties tend to have poor regulation on the full feeling by their bodies, usually from eating piles of sugary crap that abuses their hormone levels responsible for regulating intake.

ambuletz

10,735 posts

181 months

Monday 21st August 2017
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It's simple.

If someone says "I'm fat, i can't lose weight and I barely eat anything" it's a lie.
if someone says "i'm so thin and can't gain weight yet I eat loads!!" it's a lie.

the fat person eats more then they think (did you ever watch the programme secret eaters?)
and the thin person eats alot less then they think (watch fat vs thin).


as for why someone might put on weight right after going gym & cutting cals? they've gone back to old habits and exercised leess.

J4CKO

41,560 posts

200 months

Monday 21st August 2017
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I tend to overshoot on how much food I need, you know that time from finishing your dinner to feeling satiated, going and getting more where if you stopped, and waited that normal portion would be fine, your body needs to just acknowledge that its been fed, and that can take 20 mins or so.

Over ordering, going to a restaurant, ordering a starter, then the belly buster burger, with sides because you are hungry when the normal sized burger would be fine for most people.

Not keeping track of what you eat, well guess what, you really dont need to as your body will, by storing loads of fat ! if you eat four Chocolate biscuits with a brew mid morning, and then the same later on, that maybe 600 calories or more that you have used for not much benefit, none apart from being delicious.This is how "treats" become routine, maybe have two biscuits a couple of times a week.

Gorging, people do this, and you can do it occasionally but not every day, a 100 calories a day over a year, i.e. one 2 bar KitKat is potentially enough to put 10 pounds on, so no wonder people get very big if consuming a thousand calories or more additional a day, then that situation compounds, I see bigger people at work using the lift as the stairs are hard work, I see them using the vending machines.

The Blood Sugar Rollercoaster, you eat a bowl of Frosties at 7.30 and feel full, 10 am you are ravenous as the Gucose has been used, so you get a chocolate bar, that gives you an hour or two until you eat a bag of crisps, white bread sandwich, biscuit and a can of coke, blood sugar through the roof, until the 3 pm come down where you scuttle to get a Snickers, which gets you to your evening meal, the a snack later on, easy to see where the extra calories come from.

I dont do the "Carbs are Bad" thing, we need them but if we have 2500 calories as an average man, you cant fit them all in that 2500 if you live on stuff like that, they make you hungry and crave more, you need to fit in stuff that will keep you fuller, you can eat a pound of mixed vegatables, bit of protein, fat and a moderate portion of carbs and feel really full, despite only maybe having 600 cals, a carb heavy meal will be smaller and maybe 900 cals.

Booze, my downfall, I love it but you cant really have any quantity every day, a glass of red with a meal, a beer or whatever but I see guys in our local having six pints a night, that is over 1200 cals, half your dally calories to booze before food, also when I think I want a drink, it usually means I need food, once I have something to eat, not that bothered about the drink.

We dont need as much food as we think, months of restricting means you get used to less, there are loads of strategies to help you, but if its just starving between Mars Bars and Pies, it will never work.

The weight wont come off overnight, it needs to be done over a long period, along with exercise and you need to be consistent.



Am waffling, sorry, just love letting people in on the stuff I have discovered whilst losing weight and just that anything is possible, you just need to be patient, and consistent, also it doesnt need to be miserable.




Speed 3

4,567 posts

119 months

Monday 21st August 2017
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I've always been lean and in my younger days would struggle to add any bulk but then I've never had a big appetite compared to what I see some people putting away (just look at the "photos of your dinner" thread on here). As I became middle aged it started to be easier to add weight to the point where I did the 5/2 with my missus to lose about 5kg. It was initially hard but I found the benefit wasn't so much the 2 fasting days, it was the discipline on the other 5, helped by myfitnesspal and a shrinking stomach no doubt. Once it was down to what i'd say was ideal (72kg's, 6ft) it was much easier to keep it under control with a little bit of discipline. I'd say my metabolism has generally kept me thin. I think its a case of both genetics and lifestyle.

irish boy

3,535 posts

236 months

Monday 21st August 2017
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I'm in the naturally thin group, 5ft 11, body fat around 5%, just over 11st and have been since 18 years old, 40 next month.

Maintain an averagely healthy lifestyle, run around 3 miles once a week, occasional cycle, game of footie, bit of hiking etc.

Did the gym thing for a bit, got stronger but no change in look, and preferred doing the cardio thing outside where it was infinitely more interesting.

Eat like a horse with plenty of snacks. Active in work walking up to 10 miles a day. Love to put half a stone on but unlikely to happen now.




Otispunkmeyer

12,593 posts

155 months

Monday 21st August 2017
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Runs in our family

Everyone who seems to have taken after granddad is tall and thin.

In her 20's my mother apparently used to go shopping with her girls and when they got back at the end of the day, clothes she'd bought in the morning were now a bit too loose.

No one in our family is a bloater really and I wouldn't say its because they're all exercising every day and eating lettuce. My dad likes to knock back crisps, biscuits and beer in amounts that would have me on the floor. He's still just short and stocky and since he moved house and is renovating the whole thing from scratch he's literally dropped all the fat he did have in very short order and is pretty much just a ball of muscle. My mum is a carb monster and yet, last I saw her, the wind could have taken her away!

I could lose what fat I have, but it'd only be for properly revealing my abs. As it stands you can see them, but they're not super defined.

I still do a fair amount of exercise; 2 gym, 1 pilates, 4 swim sessions a week (3-4 k of high intensity swimming per session usually). which I'd say is moderate these days, I used to do way way more. But I eat st, I will readily admit that. Most of my diet is good; yogurt and muesli for breaky, heavily packed sandwiches on flat bread for lunch (lots of decent hams etc, fruit) and usually freshly made dinner on an evening with lots of fresh veg and meat. But in between I'll be scoffing biscuits, sweets, icecreams the lot. Probably got a sugar addiction and would probably have type 2 if it wasn't for all the exercise. I binge on sweet crap and I need to stop!

Today I had a double decker, a nakd bar and a frusli bar as snacks. I'm going to go home soon and I'll finish the bag of minstrals in the cupboard with a cuppa!

As I stand today, 6ft 3 inch, I weigh 75kg and I struggle to go any higher. I peaked at 78kg once but couldn't sustain it. I just couldn't keep on eating and shoveling protein shakes down me throat at that level. I got tested once and the machine said I'd need just over 1900 calories a day to stand still and breathe.

I think that is it really. Whilst I do binge on crap, I do reach a point where I just don't need it anymore. I very rarely find myself hungry come 10:30am... I don't get constant pangs for food. There is a definite off-switch upstairs that just shuts down any further cravings. Some people definitely do not have this!

I've never checked but I wouldn't be surprised that, on average I am just about eating enough calories to stay still and probably not eating enough protein as a % of intake. I suspect my intake/expenditure fluctuates wildly with days where I am way over and days, like yesterday after such a hard session, where I have massive calorie debt.

When we go on holiday we normally come back the same or lighter. Normally because we don't do lunch to save money and we're normally doing a lot of walking about or activities during the day. I did however go on a 2 week caribbean cruise and came back 1 kg lighter once! No idea how because I made good use of the ice cream bar and the Pizza bar.

Mothersruin

8,573 posts

99 months

Monday 21st August 2017
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Slim until I hit 40.

Never had to worry at all, ate and drank whatever I liked - the only different would be my muscle mass depending on any training or sports played.

Hit 40 and without changing a thing I got a pot belly - little or no fat anywhere else. I now have to consciously balance exercise and diet to keep in control of it - which in a way is actually good as it means I'm probably looking after my heart and respiratory system better than I would have otherwise.

So my conclusion is purely one of metabolism and whatever factors are involved as I've aged.

Otispunkmeyer

12,593 posts

155 months

Monday 21st August 2017
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anonymous said:
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I reckon so. As in my post. My dad has dropped some weight just because instead of sitting on his bum watching footy and eating crisps he's been lugging furniture, knocking walls down, putting walls up and other house building activities. Both my parents have actually said they've never slept so well for ages. Busy all day and then as soon as the head hits the pillow its lights out and solid 8 hours sleep before waking.


tankplanker

2,479 posts

279 months

Monday 21st August 2017
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irish boy said:
I'm in the naturally thin group, 5ft 11, body fat around 5%, just over 11st and have been since 18 years old, 40 next month.

Maintain an averagely healthy lifestyle, run around 3 miles once a week, occasional cycle, game of footie, bit of hiking etc.

Did the gym thing for a bit, got stronger but no change in look, and preferred doing the cardio thing outside where it was infinitely more interesting.

Eat like a horse with plenty of snacks. Active in work walking up to 10 miles a day. Love to put half a stone on but unlikely to happen now.
With all that exercise you probably aren't eating enough to put on weight. If you could keep to that bodyfat percentage at that height, eat at least 3000 calories, and not do all that cardio then I'd be suggesting a trip to the doctors.

Keep an accurate diary on myfitnesspal for a month of your food and exercise. Then if you really want to put on weight have two or three mass gaining protein shakes a day, the ones that are ~800 calories a pop, but most importantly eat *exactly* the same amount of food as the previous month on top of the shakes. It'll be hard as you'll likely be bloated but if you stick at it you'll put on at least a pound a week with an extra 1600 calories a day.

I'd suggest anybody who thinks they are naturally skinny by genetics as they burn more calories than somebody else with the same food/exercise/body profile to try the shake test for a month or two, just as long as you are honest about your food intake while doing it.

tricky360

391 posts

185 months

Monday 21st August 2017
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My friend is really fat, but when he sees someone fat he slags them off , it's like in his head he's ok !
I've noticed with him , he doesn't chew his food, we will get the same lunch but he's finished his sandwich , crisps and chocolate before I've even open my sandwich!
I've told him to slow down and chew
It would help him lose weight

ORD

18,120 posts

127 months

Tuesday 22nd August 2017
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darker grapefruit said:
J4CKO said:
11.5 stone and look like your at the gym all the time ?

Must be not doing loads of cardio in those gym sessions you dont go to !
I assume OP is a mesomorph, and his friends are endomorphs?
Largely made up BB rubbish.

OP does not each much or has a thyroid problem. End of story.

Hoofy

76,358 posts

282 months

Tuesday 22nd August 2017
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ORD said:
Largely made up BB rubbish.

OP does not each much or has a thyroid problem. End of story.
yes

J4CKO

41,560 posts

200 months

Tuesday 22nd August 2017
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Some people just arent pigs like me biggrin

A guy I work with eats basically because he would die if he didn't, he just doesn't really get that much out of food, I think there are a lot like that, they dont get all that hungry and its a bit of a chore.

however, I think a lot of slim, fit people work very hard to be like that, they do without things, they exercise, they make good choices where the larger ones arent as dilligent, or think they are, but really arent.

I think for some, their view and consumption is so skewed it is difficult to come back from, i.e. they dont eat fruit or veg, they drink alcohol every day, they drink sugary fizzy drinks, they eat vast quantities so end up at maybe 4000/5000 cals per day, coming back from that to 1800 or so to lose weight is hard, especially if you try to satisfy the inevitable cravings.

I am trying, will always have to, I had a can of Soup for lunch and a round of toast, int he past it would be the soup, 2 rounds of toast and then something afterwards, so probably 300 calories more than the 400 or so I have had, 400 cals this morning for a bowl of porridge, leaves me 1200 or so for later, which is fine, can exist on 2000 calories fine.

Its difficult saying no to yourself, its just one of those strategies you have to evolve if you truly want to be thinner, like last night, getting hungry so was thinking would raid the fridge, but decided not to and went to bed, I think its these things that people are missing, I was, still not there but am trying to save me from myself.

I think as well, for a lot of people its a pleasure, gratification, they dont get any from their body as its is so heavy, they want to be trim, but it seems like a million miles off, its a brief escape and a lot have pretty depressing lives, cant work as too fat, get the piss taken, must be hard, even at 18 stone it made me miserable, 30 stone must be hell, must make everything so hard.

Flibble

6,475 posts

181 months

Tuesday 22nd August 2017
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My weight has steadily increased since moving in with my girlfriend. I think the main culprit is that I'd have a light meal or no meal if I wasn't feeling very hungry, whereas now we have a solid dinner every day. So down to the automatically regulating intake thing more than anything else.

ORD

18,120 posts

127 months

Tuesday 22nd August 2017
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I've never been able to trust my hunger sensations to moderate eating.

When I was younger (teens to early 20s) and very physically active, I had to force down food when I wasn't remotely hungry or I would lose weight. I had to eat until it was slightly painful 4 times a day to stay at around 80kg.

Now I am 34 and relatively sedentary, I am hungry literally all the time. I eat quite a lot but am never full or wholly satiated. If I ate whenever I had an urge to eat, I would get fat fast.

TameRacingDriver

18,087 posts

272 months

Tuesday 22nd August 2017
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I've always been frustrated by my weight. When I was a youngun, I was very skinny and simply could not put on weight no matter how hard I tried, and believe me, I tried very hard; I had a HUGE appetite, and a very very sweet tooth. I could easily eat more than both my parents put together, and routinely did.

I remember that my mother used to make home-made corned-beef and potato pies (which were lush!) and I could sit and eat a whole pie that was the size of a dinner plate along with mashed potato, gravy and ketchup while they would just eat maybe a slice. I used to get the rest of the pie they didn't eat the following day for my packed lunch.

On the days when I didn't get a packed lunch and instead got money, I used to get a double quarter pound burger with cheese and 2 bakewell tarts for my dinner every day at school from the local cafe. Not to mention I used to call in every morning without fail for a quarter pound of pick'n'mix sweets.

One particular thing was like heroin to me and that was battenburg cake (and it still is like heroin). I would ride to the nearest shop that would sell it and buy a whole brick and eat the lot. My breath would smell strongly of sugar for nearly a week afterwards. If it wasn't that, it was bakewell tarts, angel cakes or my grandmothers home made sponge cakes. I'd be quite happy to wash this down with full fat coke, sprite or lilt (remember that?).

Basically, you get the idea - I had an insatiable appetite and absolutely loved anything sweet. At age 18, at 5'10" I weighed just 10 stone despite this appalling diet of pies and cakes. Yes I did eat some healthy meals at home too but I'd devour those too and come back for my parents leftovers (if there was any). Even the pet dog probably thought I would try and steal its food. biggrin

One thing though I didn't do an awful lot of was drink, but that changed as I entered my 20's and I have been a fairly heavy drinker ever since. This seems to have been the thing that tipped my weight the other way.

Fast forward to today, and I still have a very sweet tooth, but I have reigned it in a lot, and I am still addicted to sweets but I manage to limit myself to say half a dozen maltesers on a night to get rid of the craving. I get an hours exercise minimum every day (at least 8000 steps, usually more and weight training twice a week). My appetite is considerably smaller than it was as a child, but I am now 15.5 stone. I am, I guess, fairly stocky, but I do have a gut, but the big thing is the drink. Despite all of the crap I ate as a child which didn't affect me, it is the drink that I firmly believe has piled on the pounds, but the problem is drinking is so ingrained in my psyche and social life that I am finding it rather difficult to cut down. I am trying (but not always succeeding) not to have it Monday to Thursday and this helps but honestly, I have tried losing weight before and even if I cut down successfully on the drink its just not easy. That being said I'm honestly not bothered about having a 6-pack figure or anything like that, those days are long behind me. I'd settle for having some decently muscled limbs and less gut.

TLDR - I honestly believe it IS more difficult for some people to lose weight than others, and its not always for the reasons we may think. Some people are dishonest with themselves, but not everyone.