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knk said:
One week in, ostarine 25mg/day; arms like Garth, boobs like Linda Lusardi, balls like Farinelli.
Not really! Not noticed anything yet. Shoulder still buggered.
You could try running something like MK Extreme alongside your ostarine. My brother is taking both at the moment, and he's definitely put on size and all his niggles have disappeared.Not really! Not noticed anything yet. Shoulder still buggered.
I hope that people realise that Sarms are generally research drugs, the exact formula of which has not been released in most cases. The resellers make the best match- you never know if you're getting what it says on the fancy packaging. They also have the potential to shut you down, as with steroids, potentially permanently. (though chances are slim)
markcoznottz said:
Abbreviated hit routine using squat dead weighted dips, maybe trap bar instead of the squat - deads, ....perfect form, using micro plates to slowly up the load, most people after 6 months would look loads better, and it wouldn't cost a whole load of ££££.
Some will, some won't. Plenty of people get strong without much aesthetic change. Many men find it extremely hard to stay lean; many don't put on much muscle. Lots of people will plateau at a fairly low level.
CaptainSensib1e said:
To those of you thinking of taking steroids, are you really sure you've reached your natural limit? I see so many guys trainig completely inappropriately and then complaining about their lack of progress. I don't think most people should even think about steroids until they've done a serious stint of training based around progressive overload on squats/deadlifts/pull ups/dips.
I have no issue with steroids, but it's not a sensible option if you're not training right on the first place.
Theres a website, i cant remember what though, that took measurements of lots of bodybuilders and came up with a formula to define what someones natural limit was that was fairly accurate, to being what someones natural limit was.I have no issue with steroids, but it's not a sensible option if you're not training right on the first place.
I think its based around the size of your wrist.
watwenwong said:
I hope that people realise that Sarms are generally research drugs, the exact formula of which has not been released in most cases. The resellers make the best match- you never know if you're getting what it says on the fancy packaging. They also have the potential to shut you down, as with steroids, potentially permanently. (though chances are slim)
Aye, you've been warned folks 
Don't come running back to us, asking wotwenwong.
For a bit of fun I've just completed an experimental 4 week cycle of DHEA 50mg ed and creatine (creapure) 1.5mg x2 ed. Base level was completely clean, having had a few months off supplements. Energy, libido, aggression and strength all up, after 3 weeks libido started to turn to insomnia so called it a day after a further week. No other sides. Got me nicely back into reasonable shape. Strength up noticeably, added 5 kilos, probably 2.5 water. Quite enjoyable. Currently researching a short NPP and TP cycle for later in the year.
popeyewhite said:
For a bit of fun I've just completed an experimental 4 week cycle of DHEA 50mg ed and creatine (creapure) 1.5mg x2 ed. Base level was completely clean, having had a few months off supplements. Energy, libido, aggression and strength all up, after 3 weeks libido started to turn to insomnia so called it a day after a further week. No other sides. Got me nicely back into reasonable shape. Strength up noticeably, added 5 kilos, probably 2.5 water. Quite enjoyable. Currently researching a short NPP and TP cycle for later in the year.
NPP and prop is a great wee cycle- mild side wise, but good gains. I've been supplementing with Creatine, but anything it's doing is negligible, other than adding a bit of water weight.popeyewhite said:
Nice, just what I was thinking... It's the constant search for ways to mitigate sides that concerns me more and more.
Sides may, or may not present them selves- slight acne around the shoulders, night sweats and a little insomnia have been the only sides I've ever experienced- and they're only for short periods at a time, and mostly down to tren. (some orals also make me feel awful, but I avoid them now, namely Anadrol...)Aromasin for oestrogen control, if you think it's necessary (it's my preference- I find it better than Nolva of Arimadex by miles)- some people run it on cycle, I tend to only use when I think necessary.
With NPP/Prop, I think sides, if any, will be minimal- they're usually blown out of proportion if you look online. Short esters will clear out fairly quick if it's something that doesn't agree with you anyway. Some people are more sensitive/prone to them, but these are the people that you tend to read about online. No one bothers to say a cycle was great with no sides- it's only when it goes wrong!
popeyewhite said:
For a bit of fun I've just completed an experimental 4 week cycle of DHEA 50mg ed and creatine (creapure) 1.5mg x2 ed. Base level was completely clean, having had a few months off supplements. Energy, libido, aggression and strength all up, after 3 weeks libido started to turn to insomnia so called it a day after a further week. No other sides. Got me nicely back into reasonable shape. Strength up noticeably, added 5 kilos, probably 2.5 water. Quite enjoyable. Currently researching a short NPP and TP cycle for later in the year.
You were more irascible? Quicker to anger?Very interesting thread.
I'm in my mid-forties now and have been lifting since my teens.
Oddly I've never felt the desire to try steroids FWIW. Of course I'd like to lift more and put on (Flexspeak) 'lean cut mass' but I think I've just accepted the way I am. If I look in the mirror I'm happy with what looks back.
For me going to the gym has always been about stress relief, banter with mates, hard graft and seeing the results of that hard graft. I've never felt the need for chemical enhancement (apart from supplements like creatine, protein powder, etc).
Though, given by what goes on in my current gym, I do seem to be in the minority.
I don't mean to judge anyone who does btw (though there does seem to be a correlation in my experience between the biggest a
holes in the gym and the biggest roid users).
I'm in my mid-forties now and have been lifting since my teens.
Oddly I've never felt the desire to try steroids FWIW. Of course I'd like to lift more and put on (Flexspeak) 'lean cut mass' but I think I've just accepted the way I am. If I look in the mirror I'm happy with what looks back.
For me going to the gym has always been about stress relief, banter with mates, hard graft and seeing the results of that hard graft. I've never felt the need for chemical enhancement (apart from supplements like creatine, protein powder, etc).
Though, given by what goes on in my current gym, I do seem to be in the minority.
I don't mean to judge anyone who does btw (though there does seem to be a correlation in my experience between the biggest a
holes in the gym and the biggest roid users).
Pvapour said:
popeyewhite said:
Halb said:
You were more irascible? Quicker to anger?
Nothing like t, but certainly I was irritable. Easy to control though. I'm also a fan of AAKG but cycle it with creatine. Although you can buy the two pre-mixed now I like to keep them separate as I take the AAKG as I'm on the way out.
SO before i knew what was wrong with my shoulder (turns out it was scar tissue preventing it from healing, which has now been removed), i tried MK677 and Ostratine via capsule format (to help the shoulder heal quicker).
Quick round-up of my experience.
Positives
Strength quickly returned to my left shoulder (right shoulder is/was fked)
Arms got bigger
Negatives
Would need to train for atleast 2 hours a day to get the HGH (or whatever it is) appetite
Got 'fat' as i kept eating but didnt have the HGH appetite
Ive got about a weeks supply left which i might as well take to see if it will help with the recovery as just been cleared for light weights
Quick round-up of my experience.
Positives
Strength quickly returned to my left shoulder (right shoulder is/was f
ked)Arms got bigger
Negatives
Would need to train for atleast 2 hours a day to get the HGH (or whatever it is) appetite
Got 'fat' as i kept eating but didnt have the HGH appetite
Ive got about a weeks supply left which i might as well take to see if it will help with the recovery as just been cleared for light weights
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