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watwenwong said:
Be aware that Ostarine will shut down your HPTA down as effectively as oral anabolics
Not really true. I've done a couple of Ost cycles and never PCT. Didn't need it. Know plenty of others who've done the same... .watwenwong said:
It'll also impact upon your cholesterol levels in the same way as oral steroids.
Possibly - it may well affect LDL negatively but no way as badly as, for example, winny.watwenwong said:
Some kind of PCT would be advised, and not just an of the shelf test booster either.
PCT isn't really necessary. Especially with Ost. In fact the fastest way (not the most comfortable though) to get your nuts back on track is no PCT at all. After a couple of weeks they'll be screaming at your pituitary.watwenwong said:
These are things that people should be aware of before introducing and drug into their system, it's not something to be taken lightly. Research drugs are also notorious for being under dosed, or not what they say they are.
popeyewhite said:
watwenwong said:
Be aware that Ostarine will shut down your HPTA down as effectively as oral anabolics
Not really true. I've done a couple of Ost cycles and never PCT. Didn't need it. Know plenty of others who've done the same... .watwenwong said:
It'll also impact upon your cholesterol levels in the same way as oral steroids.
Possibly - it may well affect LDL negatively but no way as badly as, for example, winny.watwenwong said:
Some kind of PCT would be advised, and not just an of the shelf test booster either.
PCT isn't really necessary. Especially with Ost. In fact the fastest way (not the most comfortable though) to get your nuts back on track is no PCT at all. After a couple of weeks they'll be screaming at your pituitary.watwenwong said:
These are things that people should be aware of before introducing and drug into their system, it's not something to be taken lightly. Research drugs are also notorious for being under dosed, or not what they say they are.
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Ost, IMO, is a waste of money- tried it, not worth it. I can see the appeal though, basically a ‘steroid’ with with out the stigma (or results)
And re pct, I presuming you (and others) had bloods done to confirm you didn’t need it
One of the problems is people running things, feeling ok after, so thinking all is well, until it isn’t. But, you’re body etc etc.
Research chemicals (most sarms) are just that. The full chemical make up often isn’t even available as it’s in development. There are some very potent ones though, which work, and need pct. Ost just isn’t really one of them IME.
There’s a reason why most bodybuilders don’t use sarms.
watwenwong said:
Ost, IMO, is a waste of money- tried it, not worth it. I can see the appeal though, basically a ‘steroid’ with with out the stigma (or results)
Hey how are you? Top lurking! Yeah Ost is weak.
watwenwong said:
And re pct, I presuming you (and others) had bloods done to confirm you didn’t need it
Most of us can tell whether there's any shutdown or symtoms of low t. Or did you mean lipid profiles? In which case yes, people have and they found a rise in LDL and drop in HDL. Not massive, and it corrected with weeks.But again, no one needs PCT. It is not a physical requirement after a cycle. That's broscience. PCT will make things easier, but providing someone's not done something stupid (blasted for 10 months or somesuch), testes will come back to life eventually, and not necessarily any slower than if someone does a full PCT.
watwenwong said:
One of the problems is people running things, feeling ok after, so thinking all is well, until it isn’t. But, you’re body etc etc.
Sure good idea to get bloods. kidney profile etc. Ost not necessary after a short course IMO.watwenwong said:
Research chemicals (most sarms) are just that. The full chemical make up often isn’t even available as it’s in development. There are some very potent ones though, which work, and need pct. Ost just isn’t really one of them IME.
LGD is absolutely filthy. Worse than any AAS cycle I've done by far and shuts you down so abruptly at five weeks it's like someone threw a switch. Won't be going there again.watwenwong said:
There’s a reason why most bodybuilders don’t use sarms.
It's funny how on some bbuilding forums SARMS users are denigrated by hard core AAS users because they're not f
king themselves up as much.
Similarly injectables vs orals - You're not a man if you don't inject test!I like the quicker recovery Ost gives, and the raised libido. i think most use SARMS because they see them as less dangerous than steroids, which...well, no one knows. They're also scared of needles, believing anything worthwhile AAS needs to be injected. However steroids are addictive, both psychologically and physically, and SARMS aren't. No one yet has had heart failure, prostate cancer, infections from needles (abcesses), cystic acne etc etc from SARMS. Tell a lie. I knew someone who stacked LGD with some other SARM and had major acne.
Its Just Adz said:
No, done a few over the years but not done any for about 18 months.
Lockdown kinda killed my training this year, as it did for many.
On test 300, 1.5ml per week.
Plus some oral "beast bombs" which are 25mg oxy + 15mg dbol + 15mg tbol.
Dunno why I bothered asking tbh - I'm clueless about gear!Lockdown kinda killed my training this year, as it did for many.
On test 300, 1.5ml per week.
Plus some oral "beast bombs" which are 25mg oxy + 15mg dbol + 15mg tbol.
Injecting actually has several health benefits over orals- it IS better for you. Injecting test directly- rather than eating liver & kidney toxic orals that mess with digestion - is by far the more sensible option. Yes it involves needles. But if you stay clean and sensible, you’ll likely never have a single issue.
watwenwong said:
Injecting actually has several health benefits over orals- it IS better for you. Injecting test directly- rather than eating liver & kidney toxic orals that mess with digestion - is by far the more sensible option. Yes it involves needles. But if you stay clean and sensible, you’ll likely never have a single issue.
Anyone sensible does their orals sublingually.popeyewhite said:
Anyone sensible does their orals sublingually.
I’ve never come across any one who does!Even if they did- that doesn’t mean they bypass the liver, kidney, or stop digestive issues. The digestive issues are often related to the liver function and toxicity, and not the fact the orals are in your stomach.
watwenwong said:
Oxy (oxymetholone) is anadrol. Super harsh- Mixing it with Tbol and dbol isn’t a smart move if you like your liver and kidneys.
But short term it’ll bang your strength up massively. But running 3 orals is just fking stupid tbh.
Its only short term while cycle starts, little kick start. They are mixed in one capsule, normally would never mix 3!But short term it’ll bang your strength up massively. But running 3 orals is just f
king stupid tbh.Thought would see what they are like.
Its Just Adz said:
Its only short term while cycle starts, little kick start. They are mixed in one capsule, normally would never mix 3!
Whilst I can see the appeal for a kicker- I still don’t think there’s a need for 3 in one. It’s just overkill imo, but I’m not a fan of orals for the reasons I previously mentionedwatwenwong said:
Whilst I can see the appeal for a kicker- I still don’t think there’s a need for 3 in one. It’s just overkill imo, but I’m not a fan of orals for the reasons I previously mentioned
I appreciate the comments, i do prefer injectables and will be strictly them by end of month.watwenwong said:
I’ve never come across any one who does!
Me. And quite a few tbol/var 'specialists' I know that value their digestive system and liver. Lots of ways to play much safer with certain steroids.watwenwong said:
Even if they did- that doesn’t mean they bypass the liver, kidney, or stop digestive issues. The digestive issues are often related to the liver function and toxicity, and not the fact the orals are in your stomach.
Not sure what you're on about there, Steroids taken sublingually are absorbed directly into the bloodstream so bypass the digestive process and liver. Also it's thought lipid profile isn't as badly affected when orals are taken sublingually. A damaged liver produces more LDL apparently. Win/win.watwenwong said:
Whilst I can see the appeal for a kicker- I still don’t think there’s a need for 3 in one. It’s just overkill imo, but I’m not a fan of orals for the reasons I previously mentioned
You'd have to seriously abuse them anyway to be honest. Eight weeks of 50 mg tbol is going to be a stroll for a healthy liver. And if you were guaranteed no liver/digestive system problems? The whole fear of oral thing is almost total bro nonsense. Per my comments a few years ago on this thread, I've never had any interest in steroids.
However, at 41, I do kinda half fancy the idea of trying something - mostly out of curiosity.
From some very cursory research, it seems that low test or Ostarine would be a good fit.
Would that be correct?
However, at 41, I do kinda half fancy the idea of trying something - mostly out of curiosity.
From some very cursory research, it seems that low test or Ostarine would be a good fit.
Would that be correct?
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