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TheJimi said:
Per my comments a few years ago on this thread, I've never had any interest in steroids.
However, at 41, I do kinda half fancy the idea of trying something - mostly out of curiosity.
From some very cursory research, it seems that low test or Ostarine would be a good fit.
Would that be correct?
Ask yourself , do you need it or want it? At 41 I would have no problems with you juicing, natural test will start to drop off, no harm in keeping on an even keel. I would even suggest it may help you to stay injury free, presumably your tendons, ligaments etc are healthy and strong with your years of training. Loads of information out there, particularly for trt dose test as we get older. However, at 41, I do kinda half fancy the idea of trying something - mostly out of curiosity.
From some very cursory research, it seems that low test or Ostarine would be a good fit.
Would that be correct?
TheJimi said:
Per my comments a few years ago on this thread, I've never had any interest in steroids.
However, at 41, I do kinda half fancy the idea of trying something - mostly out of curiosity.
From some very cursory research, it seems that low test or Ostarine would be a good fit.
Would that be correct?
Kind of in the same situation but I'm 31. However, at 41, I do kinda half fancy the idea of trying something - mostly out of curiosity.
From some very cursory research, it seems that low test or Ostarine would be a good fit.
Would that be correct?
Training well 4/5 times a week, Macros going well now again after lockdown, cycling roughly 10 miles a day for cardio... I'm trying to cut bodyfat to give myself a good starting position for a bulk.
But my god I'm tired! I am getting results, legs, arms shoulders, chest are a lot thicker than they were last year but if I could use a little of something for a few weeks to give me a quick boost, id probably take it right now.
Ostarine vs test
Ost - I liked it for the faster recovery, healing and very slight performance increase. You might grow a bit. Very few sides, though everyone's different.
Test - WHOA. This is the real deal. more sides though. You need to be healthy, both physically and psychologically. Be VERY careful, especially if you have had cancer or family history of prostate trouble, heart disease, high cholesterol (LDL), hypertension or serious acne. You will almost definitely need a PCT with test. Don't bother with a TRT dose, if you're going through all the faff of injecting just do a beginner's cycle and enjoy it - it's only a bit more than TRT anyway.
Keep both courses under 10 weeks.
Ost - I liked it for the faster recovery, healing and very slight performance increase. You might grow a bit. Very few sides, though everyone's different.
Test - WHOA. This is the real deal. more sides though. You need to be healthy, both physically and psychologically. Be VERY careful, especially if you have had cancer or family history of prostate trouble, heart disease, high cholesterol (LDL), hypertension or serious acne. You will almost definitely need a PCT with test. Don't bother with a TRT dose, if you're going through all the faff of injecting just do a beginner's cycle and enjoy it - it's only a bit more than TRT anyway.
Keep both courses under 10 weeks.
popeyewhite said:
You'd have to seriously abuse them anyway to be honest. Eight weeks of 50 mg tbol is going to be a stroll for a healthy liver. And if you were guaranteed no liver/digestive system problems? The whole fear of oral thing is almost total bro nonsense.
Without wanting to cause offence- you don’t seem to know what you’re talking about. You didn’t even know what oxy was, now you’re saying you’d need to seriously abuse it before it causes damage?!Your advice seems I’ll informed, not based on experience, and is often missing the point. Orals can be safe, yes. But certain ones are incredibly toxic- oxy being one. There’s also a reason why people tend not to run orals for long, regardless of administration.
Orals work very well, as does injecting. Ostarine doesn’t, the sarms that do have the same down sides as standard steroids.
The things that work, work well. The things that don’t, aren’t normally bothered with. Ostarine is seen as a ‘safe’ starter- because, bluntly, it does f
k all.If you’re going to do it, do it. If you’re not, don’t dabble with things that’ll potentially have the sides of steroids without the benefits.
popeyewhite said:
Ostarine vs test
Ost - I liked it for the faster recovery, healing and very slight performance increase. You might grow a bit. Very few sides, though everyone's different.
Test - WHOA. This is the real deal. more sides though. You need to be healthy, both physically and psychologically. Be VERY careful, especially if you have had cancer or family history of prostate trouble, heart disease, high cholesterol (LDL), hypertension or serious acne. You will almost definitely need a PCT with test. Don't bother with a TRT dose, if you're going through all the faff of injecting just do a beginner's cycle and enjoy it - it's only a bit more than TRT anyway.
Keep both courses under 10 weeks.
Test is the safest thing you can run- it’s just a larger dose of what your body is already producing. Ost - I liked it for the faster recovery, healing and very slight performance increase. You might grow a bit. Very few sides, though everyone's different.
Test - WHOA. This is the real deal. more sides though. You need to be healthy, both physically and psychologically. Be VERY careful, especially if you have had cancer or family history of prostate trouble, heart disease, high cholesterol (LDL), hypertension or serious acne. You will almost definitely need a PCT with test. Don't bother with a TRT dose, if you're going through all the faff of injecting just do a beginner's cycle and enjoy it - it's only a bit more than TRT anyway.
Keep both courses under 10 weeks.
popeyewhite said:
Ostarine vs test
Ost - I liked it for the faster recovery, healing and very slight performance increases.
This is a good description of what I'm after, actually.Ost - I liked it for the faster recovery, healing and very slight performance increases.
I don't really care about size, and performance wise, well - I'm capable of pulling over 3 X BW @ circa 72-73kg BW.
So really, I'm just after a small edge to recovery and & healing. Any performance or size gain would be very much a secondary consideration.
watwenwong said:
Test is the safest thing you can run- it’s just a larger dose of what your body is already producing.
More bro science. Why do people still come out with this stuff? Test is only reasonably safe in TRT doses. In doses likely to cause growth (the only doses worth bothering with if you're going to inject IMO) it is a blunt instrument as there's the possibility it will make every muscle grow - including your heart. It will also aromatise, causing you to carry water which will increase BP. Some orals are far less anabolic than test while providing a nice performance increase. They also have far less sides than test and don't aromatise. Take them sublingually and bypass any liver problems.popeyewhite said:
More bro science. Why do people still come out with this stuff? Test is only reasonably safe in TRT doses. In doses likely to cause growth (the only doses worth bothering with if you're going to inject IMO) it is a blunt instrument as there's the possibility it will make every muscle grow - including your heart. It will also aromatise, causing you to carry water which will increase BP. Some orals are far less anabolic than test while providing a nice performance increase. They also have far less sides than test and don't aromatise. Take them sublingually and bypass any liver problems.
Bro science 
You do know that every other steroid is just an artificial variation of test? 
But yeah, that’s a much safer thing to put in your body.... there are less aromatising ones, And ones with differing properties, but they often come with their own sides because they’ve been altered. They all require a PTC as well if you’re going to come off.Test is the main base for any cycle. Run orals alone, watch your dick stop working, and watch the gains disappear when you stop if you please though. What you’re saying is the thing to do, simply isn’t the thing anyone does. Apart from you. Soooo- Maybe you’ve discovered a way that no other bodybuilder knows, advises or follows. Or perhaps ....you’re just not correct? Hmmmm.
TheJimi said:
Man, you guys are doing nothing for my confidence here!
my advice- research it all thoroughly, avoid big bodybuilding forums. Look for respected names who’ve done articles on it. Speak to people who have done the things they’re talking about on a regular basis, and not dabblers.It’s easier than it used to be now- There are forums like trainedbyJP (you pay for a month Get all the info you need, it’s not much money- I think it’s maybe free for a week Too!)- that has everything you need to know, on every thing, from someone who is an expert. (If you do, see how often oral only sublingual cycles come up
)Best to be prepared, properly!
Edited by watwenwong on Sunday 18th October 21:51
popeyewhite said:
Why am I not surprised you had to look it up. Bad idea to base what you think is worthwhile knowledge on frequency of hits and anecdote brah.
It was a reference to the fact it won’t come up. I’m not even on there and I don’t need to check to know that I’m pretty sure you have a very minimal experience on the subject matter, yet here you are recommending things you’ve likely not even tried. You thought oxy was var- mix them up and see how you get on..... case closed
I would wager most people regularly put more harmful substances into their system than steroids, be it through diet, drinking, smoking, recreational drug use or supplementation. Anything is dangerous in excess, and yes, some steroids are more dangerous than others (oxy is one of the only oral steroids to be linked to liver cancer for instance). Choose your poison, research it carefully (which you are doing!), and adopt a hygienic consistent protocol.
watwenwong said:
It was a reference to the fact it won’t come up. I’m not even on there and I don’t need to check to know that
I’m pretty sure you have a very minimal experience on the subject matter, yet here you are recommending things you’ve likely not even tried. You thought oxy was var- mix them up and see how you get on..... case closed
I'm not sure anyone should be recommending anything to anyone.I’m pretty sure you have a very minimal experience on the subject matter, yet here you are recommending things you’ve likely not even tried. You thought oxy was var- mix them up and see how you get on..... case closed
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