Steroids ?

[Anonymous-poster]

smiffy180 said:

Anonymous-poster said:

People who take unprescribed roids are either very brave or very stupid

Why?
I've got bloodwork to back up they're legit where I get mine from for TRT dose.
They've been around years with plenty of client feedback to back up how good the stuff is.

Although I wouldn't touch an unknown company without a certificate to back up what's in it.

Your last sentence says it all really.

[TheJimi]

Which is what? What does it say?

[Anonymous-poster]

TheJimi said:

Which is what? What does it say?

Can you not read?

[lemmingjames]

TheJimi said:

Which is what? What does it say?

More importantly have you set up an only fans page yet and going to dish out training and nutrition advice during the natty bulk?

[TheJimi]

Anonymous-poster said:

TheJimi said:

Which is what? What does it say?

Can you not read?

I think the fact that I asked you a direct question based on your post kinda indicates that I can.

Although, I don't care enough to indulge you any further.

[Legacywr]

AJB88 said:

Kind of in the same situation but I'm 31.

But my god I'm tired! I am getting results, legs, arms shoulders, chest are a lot thicker than they were last year but if I could use a little of something for a few weeks to give me a quick boost, id probably take it right now.

In my experience, testosterone won’t cure your tiredness. It’ll increase your ability train, if you train harder, you’ll be more tired mentally.

[ORD]

Legacywr said:

In my experience, testosterone won’t cure your tiredness. It’ll increase your ability train, if you train harder, you’ll be more tired mentally.

It’ll help his tiredness if he’s low T.

[AJB88]

last blood test T was fine

[popeyewhite]

watwenwong said:

It was a reference to the fact it won’t come up. I’m not even on there and I don’t need to check to know that

You just know you're right, yes?

Here's a doctor explaining why the most effective and safest way to take orals is sublingually
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcGW_zw1bGk

watwenwong said:

I’m pretty sure you have a very minimal experience on the subject matter, yet here you are recommending things you’ve likely not even tried. You thought oxy was var- mix them up and see how you get on..... case closed

Don't make stuff up please. I asked whether the abbreviation 'oxy' was for Anavar (oxandrolone). long time since I've been there

As I have said, a sensible approach to oral steroids would be to bypass the liver and digestive system entirely and take them sublingually, ie let them dissolve under your tongue to absorb directly into the bloodstream. that is what most people I know do. So there is no problem taking Anadrol + Var, though why any sensible person would is beyond me.

Please save the bro nonsense about having to use a test base with orals. it's complete rubbish. The East Germans had their athletes on Tbol alone for years, i know a number of female lifters who swear by var/tbol only cycles - and plenty of males at beginner or intermediate dosage. anyone can can run HCG or EC for the last few weeks to bring things back in line. No need for test and the hassle that comes with it.

watwenwong said:

my advice- research it all thoroughly, avoid big bodybuilding forums. Look for respected names who’ve done articles on it. Speak to people who have done the things they’re talking about on a regular basis, and not dabblers.

You mean people who are quite sensible with their health, take the longview and are capable of sifting through anecdote and bro nonsense? They live long and healthy lives, whilst carrying more muscle than most but don't need a personal cardiologist? Seems to be the right approach, no?

watwenwong said:

It’s easier than it used to be now- There are forums like trainedbyJP (you pay for a month Get all the info you need, it’s not much money- I think it’s maybe free for a week Too!)- that has everything you need to know, on every thing, from someone who is an expert. (If you do, see how often oral only sublingual cycles come up )

Sublingual cycles don't come up because the site doesn't cater for those people with a little bit of common sense and some self-preservation instinct. JP himself is renowned for using 6 grams of steroids a week. To put that into perspective for some on here - a common TRT dose might be between 50-100 milligrams per week. Jordan Peters was on 6,000 milligrams a week of variuos test based stuff. He looked dreadful, and still does TBH. If you want impartial advice on steroids it's not a good idea seeking it from a forum run by a bbuilder who, to be fair like many of his contemporaries, won't make it past the next decade without a heart bypass through steroid abuse.

[popeyewhite]

CharlieH89 said:

PCTs are always advised but how many in the real world do it if they know others have recovered (not had any downsides) without doing it? Majority of casual gym goers probably.

Yep.
This is a bugbear of mine. Up until the last 20 years, very few people did any PCT at all. The human body doesn't need a PCT. PCT was invented because people were searching for ways to hasten a return to baseline levels of t, estrogen etc so they could plan their next cycle. Nowadays - guess what? it's massive business selling PCT therapies. And yes, getting back to normal is 'easier' with a PCT, but the fastest way to get your nuts back together (if you avoid HCG, EC etc) is take nothing - your balls will be screaming at your pituitary gland to release LH and LSH VERY loudly

CharlieH89 said:

Steroids improve the body a lot quicker than doing it naturally. It’s a fact.
They might grow the heart aswell as other muscles but will they do that off one 10 week course? I can’t see it.
A life time of abusing it then possibly yes?

In cycle dosages they do grow the heart as well. The heart is a muscle afterall. A fine line, yes, and a couple of 10 week courses, or three 8 week courses and you may well be fine. 'Course you don't have to take stuff as anabolic as testosterone. There are steroids with lower anabolic ratings that instead of prioritising muscle growth, look more towards athletic performance and recovery...but there's a different price to pay with them.

[watwenwong]

popeyewhite said:

Blah blah

Goodo. Just give it up man, you’re not convincing anyone, no matter how often you call it bro science. You’re saying things are good, when they’re simply not.

We all bow down to your knowledge though. (Good google job finding the YouTube vid btw, solid research. Find much else? )

Pick who to believe:
Popeyewhite- the car forum guy, who bizarrely, is an expert on every single topic on here....

Or people who’s job it is to know these things, with vast amounts of personal experience, research and knowledge.

Hmmm, who to pick?!

[watwenwong]

Your plan is to take a synthetic test variation, shut down natural test for 10 weeks, No thoughts to liver and kidney protection, and then just cross your fingers that your balls will magically begin to work again? Take no bloods, and just crack on. Top advice!

Do you know what happens when you stop your body getting testosterone? To your mood, your sexual function, your brain clarity and energy?And no, a synthetic variation like tbol, does not do the same job.

And East German athletes? Yeah, they had their health and sexual function first and foremost on the agenda

If you’ve done this a few times, no wonder you’re so argumentative and grumpy

[vonuber]

watwenwong said:

Do you know what happens when you stop your body getting testosterone? To your mood, your sexual function, your brain clarity and energy?

If anyone wants to know, it's not good.

[Legacywr]

ORD said:

Legacywr said:

In my experience, testosterone won’t cure your tiredness. It’ll increase your ability train, if you train harder, you’ll be more tired mentally.

It’ll help his tiredness if he’s low T.

I’ve got the impression that, this thread has gone from ‘needing’ it, to, ‘abusing’ it

[popeyewhite]

Legacywr said:

ORD said:

Legacywr said:

In my experience, testosterone won’t cure your tiredness. It’ll increase your ability train, if you train harder, you’ll be more tired mentally.

It’ll help his tiredness if he’s low T.

I’ve got the impression that, this thread has gone from ‘needing’ it, to, ‘abusing’ it

This. If people must take PEDS then take the absolute minimum needed to achieve your goals. And it's a huge amount less than any bro-site would have you believe.

[xx99xx]

Legacywr said:

I’ve got the impression that, this thread has gone from ‘needing’ it, to, ‘abusing’ it

No-one 'needs' steroids in the context of this thread, it's more about 'wanting' them for whatever reason. TRT is a different matter.

[ORD]

xx99xx said:

Legacywr said:

I’ve got the impression that, this thread has gone from ‘needing’ it, to, ‘abusing’ it

No-one 'needs' steroids in the context of this thread, it's more about 'wanting' them for whatever reason. TRT is a different matter.

Different in theory, but if you look at the ‘TRT’ doses that people take, the line is quite blurred.

[popeyewhite]

ORD said:

xx99xx said:

Legacywr said:

I’ve got the impression that, this thread has gone from ‘needing’ it, to, ‘abusing’ it

No-one 'needs' steroids in the context of this thread, it's more about 'wanting' them for whatever reason. TRT is a different matter.

Different in theory, but if you look at the ‘TRT’ doses that people take, the line is quite blurred.

Very true. In my experience the line is most frequently blurred by more mature weightlifters who, after a career that has featured the overuse of steroids, find that a higher than medically recommended regular TRT dose satisfies both the need for a stable serum level of test to go about their daily business feeling 'right', as well as a nice performance boost. In effect they are using PEDS still, but at a much safer dose. An acquantance in his early fifties used cypionate to keep himself floating around on 200 mg a week. Unsurprisingly he found his training going well and regular PBs were set.

[xx99xx]

popeyewhite said:

ORD said:

xx99xx said:

Legacywr said:

I’ve got the impression that, this thread has gone from ‘needing’ it, to, ‘abusing’ it

No-one 'needs' steroids in the context of this thread, it's more about 'wanting' them for whatever reason. TRT is a different matter.

Different in theory, but if you look at the ‘TRT’ doses that people take, the line is quite blurred.

Very true. In my experience the line is most frequently blurred by more mature weightlifters who, after a career that has featured the overuse of steroids, find that a higher than medically recommended regular TRT dose satisfies both the need for a stable serum level of test to go about their daily business feeling 'right', as well as a nice performance boost. In effect they are using PEDS still, but at a much safer dose. An acquantance in his early fifties used cypionate to keep himself floating around on 200 mg a week. Unsurprisingly he found his training going well and regular PBs were set.

I guess that's my point. Medically recommended/prescribed doses are TRT and are given because natural levels are below a recommended level. Taking more than that is 'abuse' and is often done to make those tight (too small) t shirts appear even tighter. Would it not be easier and safer to buy an even smaller t shirt to make ones self look bigger if that is an objective?! This is a generalisation not aimed at anyone in particular.

[markcoznottz]

popeyewhite said:

ORD said:

xx99xx said:

Legacywr said:

I’ve got the impression that, this thread has gone from ‘needing’ it, to, ‘abusing’ it

No-one 'needs' steroids in the context of this thread, it's more about 'wanting' them for whatever reason. TRT is a different matter.

Different in theory, but if you look at the ‘TRT’ doses that people take, the line is quite blurred.

Very true. In my experience the line is most frequently blurred by more mature weightlifters who, after a career that has featured the overuse of steroids, find that a higher than medically recommended regular TRT dose satisfies both the need for a stable serum level of test to go about their daily business feeling 'right', as well as a nice performance boost. In effect they are using PEDS still, but at a much safer dose. An acquantance in his early fifties used cypionate to keep himself floating around on 200 mg a week. Unsurprisingly he found his training going well and regular PBs were set.

It’s still juicing, despite what they convince themselves of. You have more test than any human ever has had naturally, presumably you are in a state of heightened protein synthesis just like any other ped. How many grams per week would a 60 yr old guy produce, (someone lifetime clean)?