Reversing Type 2 Diabetes

Reversing Type 2 Diabetes

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LordGrover

33,544 posts

212 months

Monday 12th November 2018
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Easier to say what we should not be eating - highly refined, and processed foods.
Pretty much all 'natural' 'wholefoods' should constitute a healthful diet.

Robertj21a

16,477 posts

105 months

Monday 12th November 2018
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LordGrover said:
Easier to say what we should not be eating - highly refined, and processed foods.
Pretty much all 'natural' 'wholefoods' should constitute a healthful diet.
I'd totally agree but I'm sure Kenny will still claim that I'm wrong !!

Kenny Powers

2,618 posts

127 months

Monday 12th November 2018
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Not at all. All natural whole foods is the only thing I eat. I absolutely steer clear of all processed food. The difference I suspect with most is that I class bread, pasta, and rice as processed foods.

You won’t find much of anything in my pantry that was made in a factory. I even make my own mayonnaise biggrin

Halb

53,012 posts

183 months

Monday 12th November 2018
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Robertj21a said:
Not sure how that can be. They've always stuffed themselves with cakes and carbohydrates. Only recently have they been diagnosed as diabetic.
eating practises did change a lot in the late 70s, early 80s.

LordGrover

33,544 posts

212 months

Monday 12th November 2018
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anonymous said:
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I think it's you who needs to back up that claim - fruit and nuts too seasonal to be relied upon, plus insufficient nutrition. Wheat, rye, etc were all grasses and pretty much inedible for much of our time on this planet.

didelydoo

5,528 posts

210 months

Monday 12th November 2018
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LordGrover said:
I think it's you who needs to back up that claim - fruit and nuts too seasonal to be relied upon, plus insufficient nutrition. Wheat, rye, etc were all grasses and pretty much inedible for much of our time on this planet.
An interesting article on the evolution of our species diet- https://www.nationalgeographic.com/foodfeatures/ev...

Meat played a major role for some (artic areas), but generally not as much for others. It's an interesting read.

LordGrover

33,544 posts

212 months

Monday 12th November 2018
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didelydoo said:
An interesting article on the evolution of our species diet- https://www.nationalgeographic.com/foodfeatures/ev...

Meat played a major role for some (artic areas), but generally not as much for others. It's an interesting read.
Yes, interesting.

I think we can agree that modern refined and processed foods are sub-optimal, and maybe even the cause of many chronic conditions.
As opportunist omnivores we are able to thrive on a surprising variety of foods, though our genes may predispose us to one or another diet.

I've experimented with many 'extreme' diets from full-on vegan to meatilicious carnivore and many between. I have no idea what effect this has on my long-term health, but I've felt either good or great on all of them. I've stuck to natural, whole foods in all instances with very few exceptions. Vegan was difficult after a year or so - I began to get a bit skinny-fat and felt a little 'not quite on it'.
For me, the simplest to maintain is the 'right' diet for me - and currently that's a pretty varied low carb-stylee diet. That's not because I have an irrational fear of carbs or underlying health condition that requires me to restrict carbs - it's because I prefer it. I believe it's more nutritionally dense as most starchy carbs like rice, pasta and breads may be energy rich, but they're nutrient poor. I think I get more bang per buck from my meat/fish/egg/dairy meal when accompanied by leafy greens and other non-starchy vegetables.

Apols to OP and others for going rather off-topic. boxedin

Kenny Powers

2,618 posts

127 months

Monday 12th November 2018
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LordGrover said:
That's not because I have an irrational fear of carbs or underlying health condition that requires me to restrict carbs - it's because I prefer it.
Same. I feel I could probably begin to reintroduce some carbs back into my diet now, but I don’t want to. I’m completely happy with a carb-free lifestyle. I eat what I want when I want and don’t feel even slightly deprived. The opposite in fact. I feel sharp as a tack all day every day. I’m always full of energy and never hungry. I’m also medication-free with glucose control equal to or probably better than most people. For me personally there are no downsides and I’ll never go back.

Each to their own of course, it’s obviously not for everyone, but one thing I will claim with 100% conviction is that there is no better treatment for T2DM, irrespective of back-and-forth sparring sessions about what causes it thumbup

Halb

53,012 posts

183 months

Monday 12th November 2018
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LordGrover said:
it's because I prefer it. I believe it's more nutritionally dense as most starchy carbs like rice, pasta and breads may be energy rich, but they're nutrient poor. :
a lot are. TUbers are the king of nutritional starches. Very good for lifters too.

JiggyJaggy

1,451 posts

140 months

Monday 12th November 2018
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Type 2 non-insulin dependant diabetic here. Play footie 2/3 times a week for approx 1.5 hours but today I started my new regime of walking up all 14 flights of stairs in my building every evening when I get home. This is going to hurt! lol

Kenny Powers

2,618 posts

127 months

Tuesday 13th November 2018
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JiggyJaggy said:
Type 2 non-insulin dependant diabetic here. Play footie 2/3 times a week for approx 1.5 hours but today I started my new regime of walking up all 14 flights of stairs in my building every evening when I get home. This is going to hurt! lol
What medication are you taking, if any? I presume Metformin?

Physical activity is one of your best friends, but be mindful that really strenuous exercise is likely to increase blood glucose in the short term.

JiggyJaggy

1,451 posts

140 months

Tuesday 13th November 2018
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Kenny Powers said:
What medication are you taking, if any? I presume Metformin?

Physical activity is one of your best friends, but be mindful that really strenuous exercise is likely to increase blood glucose in the short term.
Agreed, at the moment my blood glucose seems to go high but also seems to recover at a decent rate. I am quickly realising that eating smaller portions throughout the day helps immensely. Ps yes I am on Metformin.

Kenny Powers

2,618 posts

127 months

Tuesday 13th November 2018
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Cool. Metfomin is a very good drug. It’s primary function really is to block gluconeogenesis - crucial because your liver is insulin resistant and will pour out glucose just for fun. More importantly it doesn’t stimulate insulin secretion and so won’t make your insulin resistance worse, as many other more serious medications do. Insulin injections being the absolute worst nightmare for this. It’s also fairly easy to get off it at a later time if your control is substantial.

Regarding eating little and often, that’s good if it works for you but have a think about the longer term. Eating anything at all, even just chewing stimulates insulin release, and you need to minimise insulin secretion. Snacking regularly isn’t the most ideal strategy. Rather, you should find foods that you can eat to satiety in one sitting without raising glucose concentrations out of range. I do understand though that this can be tricky at first, and of course you have to do what is currently working for you.

Please keep us updated with your progress. I genuinely and sincerely wish you the best on your mission thumbup

JiggyJaggy

1,451 posts

140 months

Tuesday 13th November 2018
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Kenny Powers said:
Cool. Metfomin is a very good drug. It’s primary function really is to block gluconeogenesis - crucial because your liver is insulin resistant and will pour out glucose just for fun. More importantly it doesn’t stimulate insulin secretion and so won’t make your insulin resistance worse, as many other more serious medications do. Insulin injections being the absolute worst nightmare for this. It’s also fairly easy to get off it at a later time if your control is substantial.

Regarding eating little and often, that’s good if it works for you but have a think about the longer term. Eating anything at all, even just chewing stimulates insulin release, and you need to minimise insulin secretion. Snacking regularly isn’t the most ideal strategy. Rather, you should find foods that you can eat to satiety in one sitting without raising glucose concentrations out of range. I do understand though that this can be tricky at first, and of course you have to do what is currently working for you.

Please keep us updated with your progress. I genuinely and sincerely wish you the best on your mission thumbup
Good advice there, trying to stick to low level or no level cleaner foods such as meat and veg, fish etc which are not processed. Not easy in central London where the shops are full of rubbish!

Kenny Powers

2,618 posts

127 months

Tuesday 13th November 2018
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Good stuff. Seems like you’re already on the right track thumbup

Just always remember - insulin insulin insulin. As a type 2 excessive insulin got you where you are. Contrary to common opinion you now need less of it, not more. Before eating or snacking always ask yourself “will what I’m about to do need lots of insulin?” If the answer is yes then think twice.

You won’t go far wrong biggrin

martin-95sd2

29 posts

106 months

Tuesday 13th November 2018
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Having lost 3.5 stones over the last three years i am now no longer in the diabetic zone! Exercise, ie. good interesting walks, and diet, salads 5 times a week, have worked for me! Don’t forget we are all different and what’s good for one is crap for another!

grumbledoak

31,534 posts

233 months

Wednesday 14th November 2018
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Happy #WorldDiabetesDay party :notcake: :bacon: biggrin

LordGrover

33,544 posts

212 months

Wednesday 14th November 2018
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anonymous said:
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That article broadly coincides with several other pieces I've read.

It's a shame the author has such a chequered history: click. Doesn't mean it's not accurate, but makes it easy to shoot him down.

Kenny Powers

2,618 posts

127 months

Wednesday 14th November 2018
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Not surprising considering that anyone who challenges the orthodoxy very often gets their career torn up and thrown in the bin.

I have never heard of this guy so have no skin in the game here, but reading that “quack watch” article, all I can think about is Tim Noakes.

Edited by Kenny Powers on Wednesday 14th November 16:35

NoVetec

9,967 posts

173 months

Wednesday 14th November 2018
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Dwight Lundell sounds like an impulsive person with a certain disregard for paperwork and a penchant for cutting corners, not ideal for a surgeon to say the least yet that doesn't mean his views and research into heart disease is wrong.