Reversing Type 2 Diabetes
Discussion
grumbledoak said:
Certainly the lipid hypothesis is totally discredited.
That has never prevented it from being nutritional orthodoxy. Its really quite incredulous that an unproven hypothesis became, and remains, dietary dogma across the globe. History books will describe the miracle of humans in the 20th century being hoodwinked by a fairy tale of their own making, but it will be a very long time before that story is written 
Bit of a tip for anyone hoping to further improve their blood glucose control.
Resistance training. Lifting weights. I started doing it mainly just to improve the look of my sexy body, but I’ve found it has reduced my blood glucose even further on top of ketosis. Fasting now is regularly 4.5mmol/L, hardly ever goes above 5.5 during the day even after a meal, and I can’t remember the last time I saw 6+. Remember this is all without any medication whatsoever.
Ketosis, regular exercise and mild weight training is, for me at least, the diabetes code decrypted. Additionally, even though I already had a 30” waist, I’ve found myself having to use a bit more belt, despite not losing or gaining a gram of weight. Which I assume means I’m gaining muscle mass. Don’t misunderstand, I’m still a weakling, but so far, for me, lifting weights has had measurable health benefits.
Just an anecdote that may help others who are trying to improve things
ETA: “a bit more belt” is a probably bit ambiguous. I meant more belt wrapped around me - as in my waist is now even slimmer, but I haven’t lost any weight.
Resistance training. Lifting weights. I started doing it mainly just to improve the look of my sexy body, but I’ve found it has reduced my blood glucose even further on top of ketosis. Fasting now is regularly 4.5mmol/L, hardly ever goes above 5.5 during the day even after a meal, and I can’t remember the last time I saw 6+. Remember this is all without any medication whatsoever.
Ketosis, regular exercise and mild weight training is, for me at least, the diabetes code decrypted. Additionally, even though I already had a 30” waist, I’ve found myself having to use a bit more belt, despite not losing or gaining a gram of weight. Which I assume means I’m gaining muscle mass. Don’t misunderstand, I’m still a weakling, but so far, for me, lifting weights has had measurable health benefits.
Just an anecdote that may help others who are trying to improve things
ETA: “a bit more belt” is a probably bit ambiguous. I meant more belt wrapped around me - as in my waist is now even slimmer, but I haven’t lost any weight.
Edited by Kenny Powers on Tuesday 20th November 08:07
No argument from me on the weights, and walking not running
Obviously everyone is slightly different in their genetic makeup and goals, but I definitely think the evidence is overwhelming that unnatural poly “vegetable” oils are no good. Unless atherosclerosis and cancer play a part in your health plans.
Obviously everyone is slightly different in their genetic makeup and goals, but I definitely think the evidence is overwhelming that unnatural poly “vegetable” oils are no good. Unless atherosclerosis and cancer play a part in your health plans.
I also uncovered a bit of a revelation recently that goes a very long way to explaining why I, and others, developed T2 without ever becoming obese.
Depositing fat is the body’s entirely natural way of taking excess (unused) glucose out of the blood and safely storing it in fat tissue for later use as energy. But some people find it genetically difficult to develop body fat. They cannot become obese, and so their body doesn’t have that safety buffer - it has nowhere to put the excess glucose. In these cases, where the person has excess glucose in the blood, they won’t get fat, they will just get diabetes sooner.
This suggests that contrary to popular opinion, getting obese does not make you diabetic (which I already knew) but in fact (which I didn’t know) acts as a buffer to delay diabetes. The underlying cause is always hyperinsulinemia, and people who are genetically slim just get diabetes quicker than those who are more able to lay down fat.
Obviously some others on here will know better because their fat diabetic friend ate a doughnut once, but there you have it - this is why not all type 2 diabetics are/were obese. Myself included.
Depositing fat is the body’s entirely natural way of taking excess (unused) glucose out of the blood and safely storing it in fat tissue for later use as energy. But some people find it genetically difficult to develop body fat. They cannot become obese, and so their body doesn’t have that safety buffer - it has nowhere to put the excess glucose. In these cases, where the person has excess glucose in the blood, they won’t get fat, they will just get diabetes sooner.
This suggests that contrary to popular opinion, getting obese does not make you diabetic (which I already knew) but in fact (which I didn’t know) acts as a buffer to delay diabetes. The underlying cause is always hyperinsulinemia, and people who are genetically slim just get diabetes quicker than those who are more able to lay down fat.
Obviously some others on here will know better because their fat diabetic friend ate a doughnut once, but there you have it - this is why not all type 2 diabetics are/were obese. Myself included.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-46290849
Type 2 diabetes affects 7,000 under-25s in England and Wales
I'm not surprised at all, to be honest.
This is a ticking time bomb that's only going to get worse, judging from all the young obese people waddling from their desks to the restaurant and back again at my workplace.
I really question how much of this is down to genetic predisposition when over the last 30 years or so T2 seems to be increasing so dramatically in frequency. Do human genetics change that quickly - in one generation?
Type 2 diabetes affects 7,000 under-25s in England and Wales
I'm not surprised at all, to be honest.
This is a ticking time bomb that's only going to get worse, judging from all the young obese people waddling from their desks to the restaurant and back again at my workplace.
I really question how much of this is down to genetic predisposition when over the last 30 years or so T2 seems to be increasing so dramatically in frequency. Do human genetics change that quickly - in one generation?
The glucose intolerance is a genetic predisposition that all humans have likely had for millennia, but it only started to cause degenerative metabolic diseases with the advent of modern super-agriculture and exploding consumption of carbohydrate. Exponentially so during the last 30-40 years. The genetics haven’t changed in one generation. The western diet has.
Join the dots.
Join the dots.
Carbs, sure, but also two other very simple things:
(1) Eating vastly too much.
(2) Exercising vastly too little.
I think (2) is underrated in these discussions. If people moved more, they would realise how horribly unhealthy they are and do something about it.
A silly little anecdote, I know, but what drove this home for me was playing football with 12 of my youngest brother’s friends last year. They were all 26 or so. Some were fat; some weren’t. All were unbelievable unfit. Gassed after 5 minutes. Weak. Slow. Not remotely scientific, of course. But it made me think ‘f
king hell - this lot will be knackered in 10 years’.
I think the ‘hysteria’ over the future of the NHS is actually slightly understated. It really is facing an impossible task.
(1) Eating vastly too much.
(2) Exercising vastly too little.
I think (2) is underrated in these discussions. If people moved more, they would realise how horribly unhealthy they are and do something about it.
A silly little anecdote, I know, but what drove this home for me was playing football with 12 of my youngest brother’s friends last year. They were all 26 or so. Some were fat; some weren’t. All were unbelievable unfit. Gassed after 5 minutes. Weak. Slow. Not remotely scientific, of course. But it made me think ‘f
king hell - this lot will be knackered in 10 years’. I think the ‘hysteria’ over the future of the NHS is actually slightly understated. It really is facing an impossible task.
ORD said:
Carbs, sure, but also two other very simple things:
(1) Eating vastly too much.
(2) Exercising vastly too little.
I think (2) is underrated in these discussions. If people moved more, they would realise how horribly unhealthy they are and do something about it.
A silly little anecdote, I know, but what drove this home for me was playing football with 12 of my youngest brother’s friends last year. They were all 26 or so. Some were fat; some weren’t. All were unbelievable unfit. Gassed after 5 minutes. Weak. Slow. Not remotely scientific, of course. But it made me think ‘fking hell - this lot will be knackered in 10 years’.
I think the ‘hysteria’ over the future of the NHS is actually slightly understated. It really is facing an impossible task.
I don't disagree as such but I feel that some people over emphasise the exercise bit. For the vast majority of people, of all ages, food or drink intake is far easier to control than finding time for exercise. (1) Eating vastly too much.
(2) Exercising vastly too little.
I think (2) is underrated in these discussions. If people moved more, they would realise how horribly unhealthy they are and do something about it.
A silly little anecdote, I know, but what drove this home for me was playing football with 12 of my youngest brother’s friends last year. They were all 26 or so. Some were fat; some weren’t. All were unbelievable unfit. Gassed after 5 minutes. Weak. Slow. Not remotely scientific, of course. But it made me think ‘f
king hell - this lot will be knackered in 10 years’. I think the ‘hysteria’ over the future of the NHS is actually slightly understated. It really is facing an impossible task.
It's more the lack of willpower, to stop eating so much excess food, that seems to be the biggest problem.
Robertj21a said:
I don't disagree as such but I feel that some people over emphasise the exercise bit. For the vast majority of people, of all ages, food or drink intake is far easier to control than finding time for exercise.
It's more the lack of willpower, to stop eating so much excess food, that seems to be the biggest problem.
I disagree. People can always find time to be more active.It's more the lack of willpower, to stop eating so much excess food, that seems to be the biggest problem.
At my office "I'll take the stairs thanks" is seen as freakish virtue signalling.
ORD said:
Carbs, sure, but also two other very simple things:
(1) Eating vastly too much.
(2) Exercising vastly too little.
I think (2) is underrated in these discussions. If people moved more, they would realise how horribly unhealthy they are and do something about it.
A silly little anecdote, I know, but what drove this home for me was playing football with 12 of my youngest brother’s friends last year. They were all 26 or so. Some were fat; some weren’t. All were unbelievable unfit. Gassed after 5 minutes. Weak. Slow. Not remotely scientific, of course. But it made me think ‘fking hell - this lot will be knackered in 10 years’.
I think the ‘hysteria’ over the future of the NHS is actually slightly understated. It really is facing an impossible task.
You’re absolutely right. Exercise is vital for using up glucose/glycogen and helps for cardiovascular performance. You’d never see me disputing that. I think perhaps it gets downplayed by some because it’s not a particularly effective long term strategy for weight loss, which is what almost everyone seems to think it’s vital for. Even more so in this discussion where almost everyone seems to think that being fat causes diabetes.(1) Eating vastly too much.
(2) Exercising vastly too little.
I think (2) is underrated in these discussions. If people moved more, they would realise how horribly unhealthy they are and do something about it.
A silly little anecdote, I know, but what drove this home for me was playing football with 12 of my youngest brother’s friends last year. They were all 26 or so. Some were fat; some weren’t. All were unbelievable unfit. Gassed after 5 minutes. Weak. Slow. Not remotely scientific, of course. But it made me think ‘f
king hell - this lot will be knackered in 10 years’. I think the ‘hysteria’ over the future of the NHS is actually slightly understated. It really is facing an impossible task.
Edited by Kenny Powers on Thursday 22 November 08:34
I think exercise is hugely over looked in general health and preventing diabetes. It perhaps isn't a calorie burning fix all for losing fat, though it helps. BUT it play a huge role in reducing sugar in the blood stream, and that would play a huge part in stopping insulin resistance. Thus combined this would look to be a great fix for the obesity problem.
On top of this, people who tend to exercise regularly also tend to watch their diet more carefully, and don't overconsume the types of food that can cause them issues further down the line. Not to mention the benefits to cardiovascular health, bone density, mental health, and many other things.
On top of this, people who tend to exercise regularly also tend to watch their diet more carefully, and don't overconsume the types of food that can cause them issues further down the line. Not to mention the benefits to cardiovascular health, bone density, mental health, and many other things.
Yup. The biggest driver of diabesity is unused glucose. People consuming a level of carbohydrate not commensurate with their activity level, resulting in hyperinsulinemia. These people would benefit greatly from either vastly reducing carb intake, or vastly increasing their activity level. Or a bit of both. A balance is needed that suits each individual but, sadly, most people simply aren’t aware that this balance is required, and wouldn’t know how to achieve it even if they did.
Governments make the problem worse by allowing their agencies to be influenced by organisations whose interest is to boost profits, not your health.
Governments make the problem worse by allowing their agencies to be influenced by organisations whose interest is to boost profits, not your health.
didelydoo said:
I think exercise is hugely over looked in general health and preventing diabetes. It perhaps isn't a calorie burning fix all for losing fat, though it helps. BUT it play a huge role in reducing sugar in the blood stream, and that would play a huge part in stopping insulin resistance. Thus combined this would look to be a great fix for the obesity problem.
On top of this, people who tend to exercise regularly also tend to watch their diet more carefully, and don't overconsume the types of food that can cause them issues further down the line. Not to mention the benefits to cardiovascular health, bone density, mental health, and many other things.
Pretty sure this is the crucial issue. For most non-diabetics potatoes and rice are fine, it's an excess of refined and manufactured rubbish that's available/consumed. Flour, sugar and seed oils being the prime culprits.On top of this, people who tend to exercise regularly also tend to watch their diet more carefully, and don't overconsume the types of food that can cause them issues further down the line. Not to mention the benefits to cardiovascular health, bone density, mental health, and many other things.
LordGrover said:
...Flour, sugar and seed oils being the prime culprits.
Absolutely. Two thirds of the US/UK diet comprises sugar, flours, and industrial oils. It’s little wonder everyone is dying, and so long as these fake foods are cheap and profitable, it will never change at anything beyond an individual level.I predict the NHS will collapse within two decades and be replaced by a US-style health insurance system. After which everything will get much, much worse.
zygalski said:
I disagree. People can always find time to be more active.
At my office "I'll take the stairs thanks" is seen as freakish virtue signalling.
Nope, got to disagree. A large proportion of the UK population will be mothers with kids who are already stressed with the demands of the day. Many men will be in sedentary jobs like bus/lorry/train driving, sitting at a PC etc etcAt my office "I'll take the stairs thanks" is seen as freakish virtue signalling.
They should be able to fit in a bit of exercise at some point but it's rarely going to counteract the cakes, biscuits and general snacking that they routinely consume. Most don't realise just how much exercise is actually needed to burn off the calories in a simple sandwich or bag of chips
Robertj21a said:
zygalski said:
I disagree. People can always find time to be more active.
At my office "I'll take the stairs thanks" is seen as freakish virtue signalling.
Nope, got to disagree. A large proportion of the UK population will be mothers with kids who are already stressed with the demands of the day. Many men will be in sedentary jobs like bus/lorry/train driving, sitting at a PC etc etcAt my office "I'll take the stairs thanks" is seen as freakish virtue signalling.
They should be able to fit in a bit of exercise at some point but it's rarely going to counteract the cakes, biscuits and general snacking that they routinely consume. Most don't realise just how much exercise is actually needed to burn off the calories in a simple sandwich or bag of chips
Robertj21a said:
Nope, got to disagree. A large proportion of the UK population will be mothers with kids who are already stressed with the demands of the day. Many men will be in sedentary jobs like bus/lorry/train driving, sitting at a PC etc etc
They should be able to fit in a bit of exercise at some point but it's rarely going to counteract the cakes, biscuits and general snacking that they routinely consume. Most don't realise just how much exercise is actually needed to burn off the calories in a simple sandwich or bag of chips
Rubbish- anyone can make the time if they want to. I'm a busy guy, I work a sedentary job, I have 3 young kids- I make time.They should be able to fit in a bit of exercise at some point but it's rarely going to counteract the cakes, biscuits and general snacking that they routinely consume. Most don't realise just how much exercise is actually needed to burn off the calories in a simple sandwich or bag of chips
People need to have some self control and responsibility. EVERYONE knows junk food and sweets aren't good for you. Everyone knows exercise IS good for you. It's down to personal choice. Yes its easier to eat s
t and be lazy all day- of course it is! But don't go complaining when the chickens come home to roost- because it's always in your control, if you want it.Gassing Station | Health Matters | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff