What training are you doing/have you done today? (Vol.3)
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Does it affect you adversely?
I've gone back onto my hard circuits type workouts, I used to feed before them, but I've started doing them fasted. Did one today, my elimination circuit, had a few coffees and a cup of bone broth, and a tesco version of berocca, it was hard, but it's hard regardless.
I've gone back onto my hard circuits type workouts, I used to feed before them, but I've started doing them fasted. Did one today, my elimination circuit, had a few coffees and a cup of bone broth, and a tesco version of berocca, it was hard, but it's hard regardless.
Halb said:
Does it affect you adversely?
I've gone back onto my hard circuits type workouts, I used to feed before them, but I've started doing them fasted. Did one today, my elimination circuit, had a few coffees and a cup of bone broth, and a tesco version of berocca, it was hard, but it's hard regardless.
It really did today. I've gone back onto my hard circuits type workouts, I used to feed before them, but I've started doing them fasted. Did one today, my elimination circuit, had a few coffees and a cup of bone broth, and a tesco version of berocca, it was hard, but it's hard regardless.
However it was probably a combination of hunger and just being generally a bit worn out. I've been going at it pretty hard for the last 14 weeks basically - the only week I haven't been to the gym 3 times and played squash at least once is the week I went skiing. Time for a deload. I'll keep going in but do some different things.
What ever I did to my shoulder last Saturday isn't right yet, but it feels like it needs to be worked out and kept lose.
gregs656 said:
Halb said:
Does it affect you adversely?
I've gone back onto my hard circuits type workouts, I used to feed before them, but I've started doing them fasted. Did one today, my elimination circuit, had a few coffees and a cup of bone broth, and a tesco version of berocca, it was hard, but it's hard regardless.
It really did today. I've gone back onto my hard circuits type workouts, I used to feed before them, but I've started doing them fasted. Did one today, my elimination circuit, had a few coffees and a cup of bone broth, and a tesco version of berocca, it was hard, but it's hard regardless.
However it was probably a combination of hunger and just being generally a bit worn out. I've been going at it pretty hard for the last 14 weeks basically - the only week I haven't been to the gym 3 times and played squash at least once is the week I went skiing. Time for a deload. I'll keep going in but do some different things.
What ever I did to my shoulder last Saturday isn't right yet, but it feels like it needs to be worked out and kept lose.
Cardio-led stuff - throw as much as you like at yourself whilst fasted, and it just works. And feels good.
Lifting - no point even bothering to try when fasted.
V8mate said:
gregs656 said:
Halb said:
Does it affect you adversely?
I've gone back onto my hard circuits type workouts, I used to feed before them, but I've started doing them fasted. Did one today, my elimination circuit, had a few coffees and a cup of bone broth, and a tesco version of berocca, it was hard, but it's hard regardless.
It really did today. I've gone back onto my hard circuits type workouts, I used to feed before them, but I've started doing them fasted. Did one today, my elimination circuit, had a few coffees and a cup of bone broth, and a tesco version of berocca, it was hard, but it's hard regardless.
However it was probably a combination of hunger and just being generally a bit worn out. I've been going at it pretty hard for the last 14 weeks basically - the only week I haven't been to the gym 3 times and played squash at least once is the week I went skiing. Time for a deload. I'll keep going in but do some different things.
What ever I did to my shoulder last Saturday isn't right yet, but it feels like it needs to be worked out and kept lose.
Cardio-led stuff - throw as much as you like at yourself whilst fasted, and it just works. And feels good.
Lifting - no point even bothering to try when fasted.
Stop talking in absolutes when all you're doing is referring to personal experience.
I alternate between fasted and non-fasted training. There's a difference in terms how how much I can lift but it's not orders of magnitude, certainly not such that there's "no point even bothering to try when fasted"
TheJimi said:
V8mate said:
gregs656 said:
Halb said:
Does it affect you adversely?
I've gone back onto my hard circuits type workouts, I used to feed before them, but I've started doing them fasted. Did one today, my elimination circuit, had a few coffees and a cup of bone broth, and a tesco version of berocca, it was hard, but it's hard regardless.
It really did today. I've gone back onto my hard circuits type workouts, I used to feed before them, but I've started doing them fasted. Did one today, my elimination circuit, had a few coffees and a cup of bone broth, and a tesco version of berocca, it was hard, but it's hard regardless.
However it was probably a combination of hunger and just being generally a bit worn out. I've been going at it pretty hard for the last 14 weeks basically - the only week I haven't been to the gym 3 times and played squash at least once is the week I went skiing. Time for a deload. I'll keep going in but do some different things.
What ever I did to my shoulder last Saturday isn't right yet, but it feels like it needs to be worked out and kept lose.
Cardio-led stuff - throw as much as you like at yourself whilst fasted, and it just works. And feels good.
Lifting - no point even bothering to try when fasted.
Stop talking in absolutes when all you're doing is referring to personal experience.
I alternate between fasted and non-fasted training. There's a difference in terms how how much I can lift but it's not orders of magnitude, certainly not such that there's "no point even bothering to try when fasted"
TheJimi said:
Ok, "IME"
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Sorry, missed that
It's cool - you're not one of our forum idiots.Arse.
Sorry, missed that
I would go so far as to confirm my quite drastic statement though. My lifting is severely hampered not only by being under-fed, but also by being incorrectly fed.
A breakfast of toast and marmelade and coffee, followed up by a Belgian bun just before training (for example!!!) would give me a belly full of calories but I'd be sluggish as hell.
No brekkie (or pre-lifting food) starts ok, but I hit my 'just can't do any more' within 25 mins.
People differ massively when it comes to food. I feel like I am going to pass out or kill someone if I don’t eat between lunch and dinner - that gap is just too long for me. And I feel weak as a kitten if I don’t eat within a couple of hours before any kind of strenuous training. Others feel almost no ill effects from fasting.
One thing that I wonder about fasted lifting is this: even if you are only 5% weaker than usual, wouldn’t that prevent you making any progress on a lot of programmes? Might the fasted workout not be a wasted workout in terms of the stress adaptation cycle, assuming you cannot lift more than last time? This doesn’t apply if you always train fasted. But take my recent crack at doing novice linear progression on squats - if I was 2% weaker, I wouldn’t be able to add 2.5kg to what I lifted last week. Maybe this is one of the reasons all novice programmes (and most intermediate programmes) include advice to eat as much as you can!
One thing that I wonder about fasted lifting is this: even if you are only 5% weaker than usual, wouldn’t that prevent you making any progress on a lot of programmes? Might the fasted workout not be a wasted workout in terms of the stress adaptation cycle, assuming you cannot lift more than last time? This doesn’t apply if you always train fasted. But take my recent crack at doing novice linear progression on squats - if I was 2% weaker, I wouldn’t be able to add 2.5kg to what I lifted last week. Maybe this is one of the reasons all novice programmes (and most intermediate programmes) include advice to eat as much as you can!
Today>
Beltless pause highbar squat: up to 227.5kg/500lbs single
GHR: 4 sefs F
DB ham curls: 3 sets F
Leg ext: 1 RPF, 1 F, 2 single leg F
Good. heres the top squat - https://www.instagram.com/p/BjeKcW4BAfI/?hl
Beltless pause highbar squat: up to 227.5kg/500lbs single
GHR: 4 sefs F
DB ham curls: 3 sets F
Leg ext: 1 RPF, 1 F, 2 single leg F
Good. heres the top squat - https://www.instagram.com/p/BjeKcW4BAfI/?hl
ORD said:
People differ massively when it comes to food. I feel like I am going to pass out or kill someone if I don’t eat between lunch and dinner - that gap is just too long for me. And I feel weak as a kitten if I don’t eat within a couple of hours before any kind of strenuous training. Others feel almost no ill effects from fasting.
I usually eat between lunch and dinner as well. Normally this would be about an hour before hitting the gym at about 4pm. Yesterday I had lunch earlier, got to the gym later (after 5) and hadn't eaten in between.
It's counter productive really as I until I tweaked my shoulder I was feeling like I was making big strides. Not going in on Monday was a mistake, not going in ready yesterday was a mistake - mentally feel like I am going backwards even though I know there is a perfectly reasonable explanation.
edit: on the upside my shoulder has felt so much better today. Best thing for it to be used a bit I think.
Edited by gregs656 on Friday 1st June 18:02
thought I'd share this
9 mins
GSP - Intermittent Fasting Changed My Life - Joe Rogan Podcast
https://youtu.be/W_KS3RQbB5g9 mins
smiffy180 said:
Halb said:
That's the purpose of the 'ladder' system.https://www.strongfirst.com/strength-numbers-case-...
I like your 70kg way as ell, many reps is the only way to strengthen/toughen that tendon
I'm upping the weight 2.5kg a session until it starts to decrease dramatically then I'll slow it down.
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