What training are you doing/have you done today? (Vol.3)

What training are you doing/have you done today? (Vol.3)

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Burwood

18,709 posts

247 months

Monday 9th July 2018
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My abs are visible relaxed (top ones) even now and i'm no better than 15%bf. If I cough, which really tenses them up they are all showing including the vertical valley. Abs is a strong point for me. I've always trained them directly at least trice a week for years.

didelydoo

5,528 posts

211 months

Monday 9th July 2018
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Burwood said:
Try working backwards from the 2 years ago ripped stats. If for example you're 105kg now and you think you would need to drop 8kg to be in the prior state of bf% that would suggest 97kg at 8% which is roughly 8kg of fat which suggests you hold 16kg now. 15% today. Very rough guess work.

I recall you were 92 in that lean state? It would be reasonable to assume you have gained 5kg of mass. Probably more. You can see it in the progress images.
Fully depleted, and looking dead I was 86/7kg, up just over 90 full. Fully depleted just now i'm around 101/2, 105 full. I think 100kg full would be a bit under 10%. So yeah, around 97kg at 8% depleted maybe, or 100kg at 8% full.

I'm tempted to cut and find out...... I think i'd look bigger at 100kg lean than 105 not so lean. but dropping below 100 is not something I want to do again. ever biggrin

didelydoo

5,528 posts

211 months

Monday 9th July 2018
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TheJimi said:
Question (for everyone)

At what point do you regard abs to be visible?

A) When they are visible in a relaxed state

Or

B) Visible under tension
Visible under tension I'd say. Properly visible when relaxed is pretty dam lean.

garfylarfy

16 posts

84 months

Tuesday 10th July 2018
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Apologies, message has got rather long!

I've been doing barbell box squats this evening. I think the box i was using was a touch too high for me, but not much, may be slightly over 90 degrees 😀 The squats felt easier, so at the risk of looking like a half repping quarter squat king i loaded up the weight around 40 percent more than usual and completed my sets.

Didn't do anything else different in the gym, bench and shoulder press and split squats. Felt fine leaving the gym, no signs of illness in the last few days or anything and been training normally for weeks.

Got home...and i am absolutely wrecked! 😝. Shattered. Food and straight to bed! So everything being equal, I'm assuming it's box squats related!

I've always struggled getting 'out of the hole' on my squats and I'm wondering if this has stopped me improving my squat weight.

I'm seeing my trainer next week, but in the meantime, do box squats help this much?




smiffy180

6,018 posts

151 months

Tuesday 10th July 2018
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Jamie VTS

1,238 posts

148 months

Wednesday 11th July 2018
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garfylarfy said:
Apologies, message has got rather long!

I've been doing barbell box squats this evening. I think the box i was using was a touch too high for me, but not much, may be slightly over 90 degrees ?? The squats felt easier, so at the risk of looking like a half repping quarter squat king i loaded up the weight around 40 percent more than usual and completed my sets.

Didn't do anything else different in the gym, bench and shoulder press and split squats. Felt fine leaving the gym, no signs of illness in the last few days or anything and been training normally for weeks.

Got home...and i am absolutely wrecked! ??. Shattered. Food and straight to bed! So everything being equal, I'm assuming it's box squats related!

I've always struggled getting 'out of the hole' on my squats and I'm wondering if this has stopped me improving my squat weight.

I'm seeing my trainer next week, but in the meantime, do box squats help this much?
I would do either paused squats (70ish% of 1rm with a 3 second pause at the bottom). Or bottom up squats (if you can adjuct the height of the rack low enough). Rack the bar so you have to squat it from the bottom. The only way to improve getting out of the bottom of a squat is to get comfortable there and spend more time there. IMO

garfylarfy

16 posts

84 months

Wednesday 11th July 2018
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Thanks for the advice, will try both of those squat variations!

TheJimi

25,017 posts

244 months

Wednesday 11th July 2018
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garfylarfy said:
Thanks for the advice, will try both of those squat variations!
Have you got access to a good plate-loaded hack squat machine? Use that too, especially resting at the bottom and really focussing on the drive.

Halb

53,012 posts

184 months

Wednesday 11th July 2018
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funny how a small change can have an effect, upped the dbs from 32 to 34 in my circuit (for incline and push pres) and the connective tendons across the upper back are really feeling it two days later. A 2kg change is a lot more than 1.25 (the normal upping weight)....it might have been the fruit ciders too though, as I am not a regular drinker.
still did my increasing rep circuit today

Robinio

5 posts

74 months

Thursday 12th July 2018
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didelydoo said:
Visible under tension I'd say. Properly visible when relaxed is pretty dam lean.
My abs are visible while relaxed, and I'm 23% body fat. Still see people saying that to see abs you need to be sub 10%!

ORD

18,120 posts

128 months

Thursday 12th July 2018
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Robinio said:
My abs are visible while relaxed, and I'm 23% body fat. Still see people saying that to see abs you need to be sub 10%!
Are you sure? That would be truly exceptional.

Burwood

18,709 posts

247 months

Thursday 12th July 2018
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ORD said:
Robinio said:
My abs are visible while relaxed, and I'm 23% body fat. Still see people saying that to see abs you need to be sub 10%!
Are you sure? That would be truly exceptional.
One big Ab biggrin

TheJimi

25,017 posts

244 months

Thursday 12th July 2018
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ORD said:
Robinio said:
My abs are visible while relaxed, and I'm 23% body fat. Still see people saying that to see abs you need to be sub 10%!
Are you sure? That would be truly exceptional.
Was thinking much the same. As with everything though, there are exceptions & outliers.

Might just have great ab-genetics!

Halb

53,012 posts

184 months

Thursday 12th July 2018
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Robinio said:
My abs are visible while relaxed, and I'm 23% body fat. Still see people saying that to see abs you need to be sub 10%!
post a pic

V8mate

45,899 posts

190 months

Thursday 12th July 2018
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Burwood said:
ORD said:
Robinio said:
My abs are visible while relaxed, and I'm 23% body fat. Still see people saying that to see abs you need to be sub 10%!
Are you sure? That would be truly exceptional.
One big Ab biggrin
Well, exactly. By 20%, fat will start to accumulate in excess. And the first place that happens on blokes is on the belly.

smiffy180

6,018 posts

151 months

Thursday 12th July 2018
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Speaking of bodyfat, I used 5 calculators last night based on measurements - not calipers which I know isn't as accurate - but the highest reading was 27.5% which I'd guess is about where I am.
I assumed around 30% but so hard to tell as it sits on my stomach.
The gym also has one of these fancy machines that measure your performance through tests and bodyfat from hand and feet pads, it then stores it on the online database accessible via your own log in.
Although again not accurate, it should tell me roughly how much bodyfat I've lost since the last time which I think was 10kg ago.

gregs656

10,912 posts

182 months

Thursday 12th July 2018
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Robinio said:
My abs are visible while relaxed, and I'm 23% body fat. Still see people saying that to see abs you need to be sub 10%!
I am somewhere between 10-12 now I would guess and mine are not visible.

Any meaningful amount of fat on my body is on my stomach.


Burwood

18,709 posts

247 months

Thursday 12th July 2018
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gregs656 said:
Robinio said:
My abs are visible while relaxed, and I'm 23% body fat. Still see people saying that to see abs you need to be sub 10%!
I am somewhere between 10-12 now I would guess and mine are not visible.

Any meaningful amount of fat on my body is on my stomach.
A friend of mine has completely flat stomach. Abs present. He carries all his fat in his face and ass. He got the crappy stick when the fat store genes were handed out. Percentages, unless you're an elite athlete don't really matter. The mirror doesn't lie that often biggrin

didelydoo

5,528 posts

211 months

Thursday 12th July 2018
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I Started another harsh cut a couple of days back, then got ill, and not been able to eat without puking.....rekon I'm down a few BF% already.

Try the 'get ill so you puke and can't eat diet' (patent pending)- works great!

Burwood

18,709 posts

247 months

Thursday 12th July 2018
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You can knock Bulimia all you want but that st works biggrin