What training are you doing/have you done today? (Vol.3)

[Smitters]

elvismiggell said:

Had a phone call from my Dr this morning confirming the results of some foot x-rays. Long story short, it would be wise for me to reduce the amount of running I'm doing - impact or weight bearing exercise probably isn't a great idea.

Suggestions on things to replace it with?

I don't especially enjoy running, but I do very much appreciate the simplicity of just getting my trainers on and heading out the front door. Although it went out the window with Covid, I did quite enjoy to social aspect of my local running club too.

Cycling seems the obvious choice, but I'm not especially keen on getting out on the roads with cars and trying to navigate my way around.

Swimming has potential, but then you lose the convenience of just getting up and going etc. (Plus I've no idea what pools there are near me and whether they're currently open.)

Any left-field suggestions from the collective PH wisdom?

I'd suggest a cheap turbo trainer and a telly. Youtube, ITV and Discovery+ all have cycling highlights you can watch and join in on (i.e. chase a breakaway, go harder on the climbs) and it's loads cheaper than a smart trainer and subscription to Zwift.

I feel your pain, having just been signed off by the physio after 8 weeks recovering from a foot ligament issue. It depends on your problem, but I would really try and limit weight bearing when you can, and also limit barefoot time - the extra support a pair of indoor-only crocs or similar made was helpful for me. Good luck.

[Jim on the hill]

Elvis please don't use the advice above and rest it, this will just prolong the issue. I tore my ligaments in my foot nearly 5 weeks ago and was back out on the mountains last weekend. Google ankle advice from Oxford University hospital.

Bones you rest and almost everything else you use and strengthen, the key thing about ligament issues is that once damaged it's weaker for life. Unless you train it and the surrounding/supporting muscles and tendons.

[elvismiggell]

Jim on the hill said:

Elvis please don't use the advice above and rest it, this will just prolong the issue. I tore my ligaments in my foot nearly 5 weeks ago and was back out on the mountains last weekend. Google ankle advice from Oxford University hospital.

Bones you rest and almost everything else you use and strengthen, the key thing about ligament issues is that once damaged it's weaker for life. Unless you train it and the surrounding/supporting muscles and tendons.

It's not ligament issues, to be specific it's;

Osteoarthritis
Osteochondroma
Bunion
Gout

Apparently I hit the jackpot for a fked up big toe joint!

[JKING]

So 31 days out from my comp on the 17th July down on Stockport

Monday was squats and bench. Top set of squats at 175kg for 8, then 3 back of sets of 8 at 140kg.
Yesterday was deadlifts. Top set of 5 at 235kg then 4 back of sets of 5 beltess at 195kg

Deadlift video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YLiQrFDpu4

[popeyewhite]

JKING said:

So 31 days out from my comp on the 17th July down on Stockport

Monday was squats and bench. Top set of squats at 175kg for 8, then 3 back of sets of 8 at 140kg.
Yesterday was deadlifts. Top set of 5 at 235kg then 4 back of sets of 5 beltess at 195kg

Deadlift video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YLiQrFDpu4

Whereabouts in Stockport?

[RC1807]

Before work yesterday, shifting 2.5T of wood from a Ducato van (that was filled to the roof!) up steps into large skip at the recycling centre!

Today, 1h on the elliptical. It was very hot in the gym. I lost 1kg through sweating! I had a lot of cleaning to do on the machine.

[JKING]

popeyewhite said:

Whereabouts in Stockport?

Sorry i meant Gosport :P

[popeyewhite]

JKING said:

Sorry i meant Gosport :P

[Prof Prolapse]

Monday: Bench press, overhead press, EZ curls. Lazy effort on the punch bag for 40 minutes or so afterwards.
Today: Squat, deadlift, Pendlay rows, hammer curls, 9k run (probably!)

I discovered have terrible form on squats so need to drop weights and look at that, and a familiar pain in my forearms has once again meant dropping some exercises, and weight. I'll need to work out what is causing that again, so frustrations on those fronts.

Positives, sloppy on the squats, but still 10 tonnes lifted today and I still have enough in the tank for a relaxed 9km run this evening. For me that's pretty good.

[Smitters]

Jim on the hill said:

Elvis please don't use the advice above and rest it, this will just prolong the issue. I tore my ligaments in my foot nearly 5 weeks ago and was back out on the mountains last weekend. Google ankle advice from Oxford University hospital.

Bones you rest and almost everything else you use and strengthen, the key thing about ligament issues is that once damaged it's weaker for life. Unless you train it and the surrounding/supporting muscles and tendons.

I think what this shows is that the internet isn't a great place for diagnosis. We both seemingly received good advice for our specific issues - mine being a toe issue where merely the act of moving about 5000 steps each day was enough to overload it, so yes, I was using it, but 5k steps was too much use to promote recovery. Before I could even thing about actively strengthening it, I had to get the recovery to the point I could complete a normal day without issue. The right solution for the problem will be key... So in that respect, listen to a professional! (i.e. not me!)

I still maintain a turbo and youtube is a good solution if weightbearing is restricted, from both a physical and metal health point of view. Sitting and stewing about what you can't do is awful.

ETA - from an ankle perspective, I broke mine with an avulsion fracture and a month later walked 150 miles in the Atlas Mountains (albeit in massive stiff leather boots), so it's often just one of those things.

As for gout, ouch.

[elvismiggell]

Smitters said:

I think what this shows is that the internet isn't a great place for diagnosis. We both seemingly received good advice for our specific issues - mine being a toe issue where merely the act of moving about 5000 steps each day was enough to overload it, so yes, I was using it, but 5k steps was too much use to promote recovery. Before I could even thing about actively strengthening it, I had to get the recovery to the point I could complete a normal day without issue. The right solution for the problem will be key... So in that respect, listen to a professional! (i.e. not me!)

I still maintain a turbo and youtube is a good solution if weightbearing is restricted, from both a physical and metal health point of view. Sitting and stewing about what you can't do is awful.

ETA - from an ankle perspective, I broke mine with an avulsion fracture and a month later walked 150 miles in the Atlas Mountains (albeit in massive stiff leather boots), so it's often just one of those things.

As for gout, ouch.

I've been very lucky insofar as the gout has been very mild, the blood test results show me right at the entry level for it.

Dr and I are treating this as more of a warning sign - my body is telling me to pace myself so that I can have a decent 40-50 years rather than doing too much damage in the next 5 years and then hobbling around for the rest of my life.

So sort out my footwear, cut my running by maybe 50% and try to replace it with some other forms of exercise. If I get on well enough with the other exercise, I may naturally move towards that and reduce the running further.

Bit of a shock to get all this at 36 though. I always thought gout was for overweight beer swilling ex rugby players etc!

[ORD]

Running is bonkers unless you’re built perfectly for it, in my view. All it does for me is wreck my joints.

[didelydoo]

A few days off, and back today to squat 180 for 16. Building up to 20....
https://www.instagram.com/p/CQOD1HhjIT4/?utm_mediu...

It was hard

[TheThing]

ORD said:

Running is bonkers unless you’re built perfectly for it, in my view. All it does for me is wreck my joints.

Same here. I went through a stage of running regularly for around 18 months a few years back. Got properly fitted for running trainers but even then it still seemed to turn my joints to dust. Shame because I really enjoy it!

[Prof Prolapse]

TheThing said:

ORD said:

Running is bonkers unless you’re built perfectly for it, in my view. All it does for me is wreck my joints.

Same here. I went through a stage of running regularly for around 18 months a few years back. Got properly fitted for running trainers but even then it still seemed to turn my joints to dust. Shame because I really enjoy it!

How much do you weigh though?

For me that’s the biggest issue. I’ve put on about 17kg and I really feel it on the runs now.

It’s a nice excuse for a more relaxed pace and the odd sit on a bench. So not all bad.

[ORD]

I’m average weight - 5’11 and 87kg
But even when I was much lighter - 77kg or so, it still wasn’t great.

[hyphen]

ORD said:

Running is bonkers unless you’re built perfectly for it, in my view. All it does for me is wreck my joints.

I run but not on road, but on trails. As gravel/grass/mud is much softer.

Humans weren't designed to run on pavements, and even though the cushioning of modern shoes is designed for it, I still avoid. Rather be in a green and scenic park than Running past the local off license and supermarket.

I also don't care so much about very long distances (find it boring), and do a lot of sprint intervals; flat, uphill and downhill.

Edited by hyphen on Friday 18th June 08:03

[AJLintern]

Doesn't it depend more on how you run? Often see people running where their feet are pounding the road, you can hear them coming - must be very bad for their joints. But if you have a nice flowing stride it shouldn't do much harm.

[Prof Prolapse]

ORD said:

I’m average weight - 5’11 and 87kg
But even when I was much lighter - 77kg or so, it still wasn’t great.

I know you lift (+/- "bro") but I wouldn't have thought 77kg was especially light personally, most runners I see are quite slim. I was about 63kg @ 5'10" and it felt a lot easier. At just over 80kg now I don't really struggle I have to say, but I am just on tick-over rather than trying very hard.

I'm currently contemplating training to achieve obesity levels of weight over the next few years (95.1kg) just for my own amusement, although pretty sure that will kill my running chances.

Could be worth it though. Imagine the sponsorship opportunities.

[ORD]

That’s kind my point. I would be a skeleton at 65kg. I haven’t weighed less than 75kg since I was a teenager. Not built for running. Most people aren’t.