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lemmingjames

7,457 posts

204 months

Friday 25th May 2018
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SignalGruen said:
I believe so especially if you have access to a machine. The have good carryover for regular squats too. Would love a machine for my home gym but can't justify the cost - will probably go the cheapo route of a belt and a landmine.
Yeah ive never seen a specific Hip Squat Machine until i googled it and even then, it looks like alot of people wear a belt and then use something else for the weight.

markcoznottz

7,155 posts

224 months

Friday 25th May 2018
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ORD said:
The old timers did and were demonstrably wrong. Squats do not make your arms grow. Eating a lot during a squat programme might.

You cannot overload an isometric exercise with a weight that can be moved. If I can deadlift a weight, that same weight is well below a maximal hold. And when joints are closed, the muscles crossing the joints bear vastly less load.

A 180kg trap bar deadlift for 5 reps will do vastly more than holding the trap bar for 1 minute. Walking with it will do different but also good things.
20 rep squat program will def build bigger arms, mine grew when I started squatting, including just about everything else.

ORD

18,120 posts

127 months

Friday 25th May 2018
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markcoznottz said:
20 rep squat program will def build bigger arms, mine grew when I started squatting, including just about everything else.
How do the squats trigger increased protein synthesis in arm muscle tissue? I’ve no doubt that most people will get bigger all over during a 20 rep squat programme, but diet is the overwhelmingly most likely cause of that.

markcoznottz

7,155 posts

224 months

Friday 25th May 2018
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ORD said:
markcoznottz said:
20 rep squat program will def build bigger arms, mine grew when I started squatting, including just about everything else.
How do the squats trigger increased protein synthesis in arm muscle tissue? I’ve no doubt that most people will get bigger all over during a 20 rep squat programme, but diet is the overwhelmingly most likely cause of that.
I don't know. Perhaps because the arms are doing a lot more than you think in a squat. Just because they aren't isolated doesn't mean they aren't firing. The old 'bro science' of it's day was that squats elevated testosterone or gh levels. Google squats and arms and plenty of lifters see a connection.

popeyewhite

19,876 posts

120 months

Friday 25th May 2018
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markcoznottz said:
20 rep squat program will def build bigger arms, mine grew when I started squatting, including just about everything else.
Were you doing weights for other bodyparts at the same time? If you'd said your delts/traps grew there might be a (however unlikely) possibility. And that only by released test binding to sites of higher androgen receptor density. The trouble with the DO SQUATS FOR INCREASED TEST PRODUCTION myth theory is squats are a major stressor on the body...and stress causes the release of cortisol...and cortisol suppresses testosterone.

TheJimi

24,993 posts

243 months

Friday 25th May 2018
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If you're going heavy and squeezing the bar really tight...

Other than that, I also don't subscribe to the theory that squats build big arms.

Contributory factor? Absolutely. In and of themselves? Not so much, imo.

Mothersruin

8,573 posts

99 months

Friday 25th May 2018
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Picking up lots of 20kg plates to put on the bar probably helps...

ORD

18,120 posts

127 months

Friday 25th May 2018
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popeyewhite said:
Were you doing weights for other bodyparts at the same time? If you'd said your delts/traps grew there might be a (however unlikely) possibility. And that only by released test binding to sites of higher androgen receptor density. The trouble with the DO SQUATS FOR INCREASED TEST PRODUCTION myth theory is squats are a major stressor on the body...and stress causes the release of cortisol...and cortisol suppresses testosterone.
And that the testosterone spike is very short-lived and that lifters tend to have lower, rather than higher, testosterone lever.

Halb

53,012 posts

183 months

Friday 25th May 2018
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I think there's something in that ancillary work. I'm not finished till everything is cleared away. Sometimes that might be 5 minutes or more.
If I'm not tidying up, then it means something is wrong, probably hurt. Even exhaustion is no excuse not to tidy up, saw some fat like presser the other day use the 50 dbs, had to roll them to the bench, did 5 plus half reps, then dropped then, a range of DBs were left all clumped together, all this while I cleared away a combined weight of 300 plus from the Olympic platform, fat lil turd, ...now I need to go lie down. biggrin

TameRacingDriver

18,087 posts

272 months

Friday 25th May 2018
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TheJimi said:
If you're going heavy and squeezing the bar really tight...

Other than that, I also don't subscribe to the theory that squats build big arms.

Contributory factor? Absolutely. In and of themselves? Not so much, imo.
Indeed, and how many people who are doing squats, are only doing squats? Virtually nobody, and as you say I’d wager that all of the other exercises would contribute to arm growth, probably a lot more so than just doing the squats.

lemmingjames

7,457 posts

204 months

Saturday 26th May 2018
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Halb said:
I think there's something in that ancillary work. I'm not finished till everything is cleared away. Sometimes that might be 5 minutes or more.
If I'm not tidying up, then it means something is wrong, probably hurt. Even exhaustion is no excuse not to tidy up, saw some fat like presser the other day use the 50 dbs, had to roll them to the bench, did 5 plus half reps, then dropped then, a range of DBs were left all clumped together, all this while I cleared away a combined weight of 300 plus from the Olympic platform, fat lil turd, ...now I need to go lie down. biggrin
If you did some cardio you wouldnt get out of breath ya fat fk tongue outbiggrin

TameRacingDriver

18,087 posts

272 months

Saturday 26th May 2018
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A quick question, for an average joe like me, does doing squats and deadlifts sufficiently work the calves and hamstrings? I have been doing calf raises separately for a while now, and many places advocate doing separate work on the hamstrings. I tried some stiff legged deadlifts today but it just felt like I was gently stretching the muscle.

lemmingjames

7,457 posts

204 months

Saturday 26th May 2018
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Hamstrings = yes it works both

Bigger Calves = genetics or via a needle

TameRacingDriver

18,087 posts

272 months

Saturday 26th May 2018
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So you are saying that the squats/DLs are sufficient to work out all muscles in the legs adequately? If so, great, it saves me time biggrin

popeyewhite

19,876 posts

120 months

Saturday 26th May 2018
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lemmingjames said:
Bigger Calves = genetics or via a needle
Genetics. Very few ARs in calf muscle, so it makes little difference what you supplement with.

Halb

53,012 posts

183 months