Improving my running
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Reading this with interest, I have started doing a bit of running, been trying in the past but ended up with horrendous foot pain but went to a Podiatrist and she told me I suppinate, which was the opposite of the gait analysis I had done and the running shop.
Would run and then get horrendous foot pain the following day, done a few at the gym (it has a 200m track) and it has been ok, did a few tentative laps and am now up to 8 which is a mile, did it in 9 minutes something, trotted round and then ran the last one flat out and it felt good.
I dont get particularly out of breath, not at a mile at a moderate trot, put this down to cycling for years and doing half an hour on the cross trainer, my problem is worrying about knackereing my feet again and other aches and pains but felt so much better today than last time.
No aim to be a "proper" runner and do mile after mile but want to include it in what I do.
I bought Brooks trainers, these are now a year old, am I best changing them, little bit of wear but conscious of the age of them.
Would run and then get horrendous foot pain the following day, done a few at the gym (it has a 200m track) and it has been ok, did a few tentative laps and am now up to 8 which is a mile, did it in 9 minutes something, trotted round and then ran the last one flat out and it felt good.
I dont get particularly out of breath, not at a mile at a moderate trot, put this down to cycling for years and doing half an hour on the cross trainer, my problem is worrying about knackereing my feet again and other aches and pains but felt so much better today than last time.
No aim to be a "proper" runner and do mile after mile but want to include it in what I do.
I bought Brooks trainers, these are now a year old, am I best changing them, little bit of wear but conscious of the age of them.
J4CKO said:
Reading this with interest, I have started doing a bit of running, been trying in the past but ended up with horrendous foot pain but went to a Podiatrist and she told me I suppinate, which was the opposite of the gait analysis I had done and the running shop.
Would run and then get horrendous foot pain the following day, done a few at the gym (it has a 200m track) and it has been ok, did a few tentative laps and am now up to 8 which is a mile, did it in 9 minutes something, trotted round and then ran the last one flat out and it felt good.
I dont get particularly out of breath, not at a mile at a moderate trot, put this down to cycling for years and doing half an hour on the cross trainer, my problem is worrying about knackereing my feet again and other aches and pains but felt so much better today than last time.
No aim to be a "proper" runner and do mile after mile but want to include it in what I do.
I bought Brooks trainers, these are now a year old, am I best changing them, little bit of wear but conscious of the age of them.
I’m also far from a ‘proper runner’, so I stand by to be corrected.....Would run and then get horrendous foot pain the following day, done a few at the gym (it has a 200m track) and it has been ok, did a few tentative laps and am now up to 8 which is a mile, did it in 9 minutes something, trotted round and then ran the last one flat out and it felt good.
I dont get particularly out of breath, not at a mile at a moderate trot, put this down to cycling for years and doing half an hour on the cross trainer, my problem is worrying about knackereing my feet again and other aches and pains but felt so much better today than last time.
No aim to be a "proper" runner and do mile after mile but want to include it in what I do.
I bought Brooks trainers, these are now a year old, am I best changing them, little bit of wear but conscious of the age of them.
I’m 3.5 years in now and have gained some interesting experience, mostly from my mistakes.
Increase the pace gradually and don’t go sprinting flat out, as you’re more likely to pull something.
Cycling is a very specific type of activity, but can cause some muscles to atrophy. Ones you need for running stability.
Great for your aerobic abilities, but totally different. So even though your lungs are tip-top, your legs and feet are not at all!
The pains one gets are are part of the conditioning of your ‘chassis’ to the impacts of running.
Most people get over it eventually. For me it happened so slowly I wasn’t aware.
If I think back to all the pains I used to get after running 10min miles, which I now don’t get running 8 min miles, or even a 1/2 marathon distance.
I’ve also been using Brooks, which seem to suit my feet. Asics were like flippers lol
I wear them out in about 500miles I think.
Red 5 said:
J4CKO said:
Reading this with interest, I have started doing a bit of running, been trying in the past but ended up with horrendous foot pain but went to a Podiatrist and she told me I suppinate, which was the opposite of the gait analysis I had done and the running shop.
Would run and then get horrendous foot pain the following day, done a few at the gym (it has a 200m track) and it has been ok, did a few tentative laps and am now up to 8 which is a mile, did it in 9 minutes something, trotted round and then ran the last one flat out and it felt good.
I dont get particularly out of breath, not at a mile at a moderate trot, put this down to cycling for years and doing half an hour on the cross trainer, my problem is worrying about knackereing my feet again and other aches and pains but felt so much better today than last time.
No aim to be a "proper" runner and do mile after mile but want to include it in what I do.
I bought Brooks trainers, these are now a year old, am I best changing them, little bit of wear but conscious of the age of them.
I’m also far from a ‘proper runner’, so I stand by to be corrected.....Would run and then get horrendous foot pain the following day, done a few at the gym (it has a 200m track) and it has been ok, did a few tentative laps and am now up to 8 which is a mile, did it in 9 minutes something, trotted round and then ran the last one flat out and it felt good.
I dont get particularly out of breath, not at a mile at a moderate trot, put this down to cycling for years and doing half an hour on the cross trainer, my problem is worrying about knackereing my feet again and other aches and pains but felt so much better today than last time.
No aim to be a "proper" runner and do mile after mile but want to include it in what I do.
I bought Brooks trainers, these are now a year old, am I best changing them, little bit of wear but conscious of the age of them.
I’m 3.5 years in now and have gained some interesting experience, mostly from my mistakes.
Increase the pace gradually and don’t go sprinting flat out, as you’re more likely to pull something.
Cycling is a very specific type of activity, but can cause some muscles to atrophy. Ones you need for running stability.
Great for your aerobic abilities, but totally different. So even though your lungs are tip-top, your legs and feet are not at all!
The pains one gets are are part of the conditioning of your ‘chassis’ to the impacts of running.
Most people get over it eventually. For me it happened so slowly I wasn’t aware.
If I think back to all the pains I used to get after running 10min miles, which I now don’t get running 8 min miles, or even a 1/2 marathon distance.
I’ve also been using Brooks, which seem to suit my feet. Asics were like flippers lol
I wear them out in about 500miles I think.
Gave it another go tonight, was a bit tired and didnt push that hard, did 9 mins 54 seconds, so got a baseline now.
Edited by J4CKO on Tuesday 21st May 19:20
You're doing better than me, I can't seem to break the 10min/mile barrier. going to try again tonight, plan on running a little slower so I don't walk as much, I'm still only able to do about a mile before having to slow down and until I can improve the stamina a little, I've hit a bit of a wall.
My shoes are about 5 years old so I think I'm going to go to a running shop after pay day and see about some new ones.
My shoes are about 5 years old so I think I'm going to go to a running shop after pay day and see about some new ones.
Robmarriott said:
You're doing better than me, I can't seem to break the 10min/mile barrier. going to try again tonight, plan on running a little slower so I don't walk as much, I'm still only able to do about a mile before having to slow down and until I can improve the stamina a little, I've hit a bit of a wall.
My shoes are about 5 years old so I think I'm going to go to a running shop after pay day and see about some new ones.
Replace shoes. They wear out after about 500-750 miles - they can look fine but the foam degrades and you don't get the impact absorption.My shoes are about 5 years old so I think I'm going to go to a running shop after pay day and see about some new ones.
Don't worry about your pace. Try to run further at a comfortable pace and gradually build up distance. The speed will come as you get fitter, not the other way round.
Red 5 said:
I’m also far from a ‘proper runner’, so I stand by to be corrected.....
I’m 3.5 years in now and have gained some interesting experience, mostly from my mistakes.
Increase the pace gradually and don’t go sprinting flat out, as you’re more likely to pull something.
Cycling is a very specific type of activity, but can cause some muscles to atrophy. Ones you need for running stability.
Great for your aerobic abilities, but totally different. So even though your lungs are tip-top, your legs and feet are not at all!
The pains one gets are are part of the conditioning of your ‘chassis’ to the impacts of running.
Most people get over it eventually. For me it happened so slowly I wasn’t aware.
If I think back to all the pains I used to get after running 10min miles, which I now don’t get running 8 min miles, or even a 1/2 marathon distance.
I’ve also been using Brooks, which seem to suit my feet. Asics were like flippers lol
I wear them out in about 500miles I think.
I've alternated between running and cycling for 20+yrs, however if I switch back to running after a few yrs cycling I have to take 3-4 months running VERY SLOWLY (HR below 120) to prevent any pains.I’m 3.5 years in now and have gained some interesting experience, mostly from my mistakes.
Increase the pace gradually and don’t go sprinting flat out, as you’re more likely to pull something.
Cycling is a very specific type of activity, but can cause some muscles to atrophy. Ones you need for running stability.
Great for your aerobic abilities, but totally different. So even though your lungs are tip-top, your legs and feet are not at all!
The pains one gets are are part of the conditioning of your ‘chassis’ to the impacts of running.
Most people get over it eventually. For me it happened so slowly I wasn’t aware.
If I think back to all the pains I used to get after running 10min miles, which I now don’t get running 8 min miles, or even a 1/2 marathon distance.
I’ve also been using Brooks, which seem to suit my feet. Asics were like flippers lol
I wear them out in about 500miles I think.
Another 3-4 months of slightly increasing intensity before I feel confident of running without pains / injury.
boyse7en said:
Replace shoes. They wear out after about 500-750 miles - they can look fine but the foam degrades and you don't get the impact absorption.
Don't worry about your pace. Try to run further at a comfortable pace and gradually build up distance. The speed will come as you get fitter, not the other way round.
The only reason I haven't replaced them sooner is because they've not done anywhere near that amount of miles, I could work it out but I'd be surprised if it was even 200 miles in the time I've had them.Don't worry about your pace. Try to run further at a comfortable pace and gradually build up distance. The speed will come as you get fitter, not the other way round.
I'm not too fussed about the pace but you set yourself little goals... run a whole mile without stopping, do a lap in under a certain time, that sort of thing and 10min/mile is the next goal. I know I'll get there, it's just not happened yet.
Stamina is the one I need to work on really, I've got faster since Jan but I'm still not where I want to be with my ability to cover distance. The weather isn't helping though, I'm going to start struggling with the heat soon so might have to pay for gym membership again so I don't use it as an excuse...
boyse7en said:
Don't worry about your pace. Try to run further at a comfortable pace and gradually build up distance. The speed will come as you get fitter, not the other way round.
That’s exactly how I progressed. Apart from starting on a treadmill, to get up to 20min of constant activity before moving outside.I just figured I was too heavy and the treadmill was easy on the joints.
(Although, it’s not much like actual running to me)
Robmarriott said:
Stamina is the one I need to work on really, I've got faster since Jan but I'm still not where I want to be with my ability to cover distance. The weather isn't helping though, I'm going to start struggling with the heat soon so might have to pay for gym membership again so I don't use it as an excuse...
If I were you, I’d stay out of the gym. The treadmill is nothing like real running anyway. Running outside, even when warm, is still ok in the main, as you are moving forward and have that air cooling effect. I only get REALLY sweaty when I stop at the end.
On the treadmill, you’ve no forward movement, so will most likely end up as hot and sweaty the whole time.
Plan a suitable length route with some well shaded stretches and keep at it.
Just vary your pace to suit the temps, gradient etc.
Also, when you run out of puff, just stop, walk in circles / do some gentle stretches.
Don’t do any of your planned mileage walking.
If you set out for a 3 mile run, then RUN the full distance, even if you have to stop a few times.
Gradually over a few months you’ll notice the difference
Looking at pace is not really helpful at this stage. Until you can run for a few miles without stopping, it’s a bit moot.
It takes 10mins to get up to temp and possibly 20mins, until you’re fully warned up.
Only then do I feel like I’m actually running with any consistency.
Gym is air conditioned but I see your point anyway, treadmill running is something I tried before and never really seemed to get on with.
Interesting point about the walking, I hadn't thought about it to be honest but if I'm jogging for 8-9 minutes, then walking for 2, I'm covering distance without really gaining anything from it, I might try your idea, then if I do 2 miles, I'm doing 2 miles of jogging, not 1.something.
The route I do is 2/3 covered, there's a long straight down an old railway which isn't but the rest is so direct sunlight won't be too much of a problem but ambient heat will. I'm still overweight so lugging the extra pounds around in the heat isn't pleasant, that's the only reason I mentioned the gym, the temperature is consistent inside and I think I'd be more likely to go when it's sweltering outside.
Final point, I'm monitoring my pace so I can see an improvement, the same as I'm monitoring my weight loss... if I see an improvement, it encourages me to do it. My fear is that if I stop checking how I'm doing, I'll stop bothering, and everyone loves a PB, right?
Interesting point about the walking, I hadn't thought about it to be honest but if I'm jogging for 8-9 minutes, then walking for 2, I'm covering distance without really gaining anything from it, I might try your idea, then if I do 2 miles, I'm doing 2 miles of jogging, not 1.something.
The route I do is 2/3 covered, there's a long straight down an old railway which isn't but the rest is so direct sunlight won't be too much of a problem but ambient heat will. I'm still overweight so lugging the extra pounds around in the heat isn't pleasant, that's the only reason I mentioned the gym, the temperature is consistent inside and I think I'd be more likely to go when it's sweltering outside.
Final point, I'm monitoring my pace so I can see an improvement, the same as I'm monitoring my weight loss... if I see an improvement, it encourages me to do it. My fear is that if I stop checking how I'm doing, I'll stop bothering, and everyone loves a PB, right?
Robmarriott said:
Gym is air conditioned but I see your point anyway, treadmill running is something I tried before and never really seemed to get on with.
Interesting point about the walking, I hadn't thought about it to be honest but if I'm jogging for 8-9 minutes, then walking for 2, I'm covering distance without really gaining anything from it, I might try your idea, then if I do 2 miles, I'm doing 2 miles of jogging, not 1.something.
The route I do is 2/3 covered, there's a long straight down an old railway which isn't but the rest is so direct sunlight won't be too much of a problem but ambient heat will. I'm still overweight so lugging the extra pounds around in the heat isn't pleasant, that's the only reason I mentioned the gym, the temperature is consistent inside and I think I'd be more likely to go when it's sweltering outside.
Final point, I'm monitoring my pace so I can see an improvement, the same as I'm monitoring my weight loss... if I see an improvement, it encourages me to do it. My fear is that if I stop checking how I'm doing, I'll stop bothering, and everyone loves a PB, right?
My weight dropping off and my times picking up, pretty much came hand in hand. The training apps do certainly make it easy to see the improvements over time though Interesting point about the walking, I hadn't thought about it to be honest but if I'm jogging for 8-9 minutes, then walking for 2, I'm covering distance without really gaining anything from it, I might try your idea, then if I do 2 miles, I'm doing 2 miles of jogging, not 1.something.
The route I do is 2/3 covered, there's a long straight down an old railway which isn't but the rest is so direct sunlight won't be too much of a problem but ambient heat will. I'm still overweight so lugging the extra pounds around in the heat isn't pleasant, that's the only reason I mentioned the gym, the temperature is consistent inside and I think I'd be more likely to go when it's sweltering outside.
Final point, I'm monitoring my pace so I can see an improvement, the same as I'm monitoring my weight loss... if I see an improvement, it encourages me to do it. My fear is that if I stop checking how I'm doing, I'll stop bothering, and everyone loves a PB, right?
My gym has AC too, but running / bouncing on the spot is when I get the hottest due to no breeze induced evaporation.
I even ran in the heatwaves last year, which while hard going, was manageable and in some ways good.
I felt like I was warmed up and into my stride quickly, and actually posted some good times.
For my runs, it's 30mins or so, not a marathon, so exhaustion / dehydration are not problems
I guess try it and see how it feels.
Good to hear your route is well shaded in sections anyway. Even running in full sun in the winter gets me all sun burned!
I now do 30mins peddling when it's wet out, as I personally don't like running in the rain (glasses etc)
However, I have to put towels down to collect all the sweat p*ss**g out of my every orifice
I think I'd be less wet if I ran in the rain!
Anyone got any advice for Terry from Rotherham?
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JPJPJP said:
Anyone got any advice for Terry from Rotherham?
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I've never seen that site. thats class https://www.rotherhambugle.com/2019/05/20/jogger-w...
Good effort, I managed a 10:00 dead (2 mile average) the other day but I’ve been lazy for a week and not ran at all. Back out tonight weather permitting and I’m going to try to get back into a routine again.
Tonight i think I’m going to do a different route and run until I can’t run anymore, stop to recover, run and repeat over 2 miles to see how quick I can actually do it (ignoring stops) a bit of interval training I suppose.
Tonight i think I’m going to do a different route and run until I can’t run anymore, stop to recover, run and repeat over 2 miles to see how quick I can actually do it (ignoring stops) a bit of interval training I suppose.
Yeah, keep going, I must admit its not my favourite thing either.
Its funny, just running was the aim a few weeks back and now, I can broadly trot along slowly and keep going and not start feeling like I cant go on, that comes only as I pick the pace up so its like a bit of a platform to work from.
Have ended up holding my mobile which is annoying so need an arm holder or something and I notice my spare flesh jiggling which is unpleasant so does spur me on to lose weight to help.
Its amazing how the improvements come even after just having a few goes.
Its funny, just running was the aim a few weeks back and now, I can broadly trot along slowly and keep going and not start feeling like I cant go on, that comes only as I pick the pace up so its like a bit of a platform to work from.
Have ended up holding my mobile which is annoying so need an arm holder or something and I notice my spare flesh jiggling which is unpleasant so does spur me on to lose weight to help.
Its amazing how the improvements come even after just having a few goes.
J4CKO said:
Yeah, keep going, I must admit its not my favourite thing either.
Its funny, just running was the aim a few weeks back and now, I can broadly trot along slowly and keep going and not start feeling like I cant go on, that comes only as I pick the pace up so its like a bit of a platform to work from.
Have ended up holding my mobile which is annoying so need an arm holder or something and I notice my spare flesh jiggling which is unpleasant so does spur me on to lose weight to help.
Its amazing how the improvements come even after just having a few goes.
Look at shorts with a phone pocket, the Decathlon running shorts for example are excellent and fit a standard iPhone in the bum bit with zip.Its funny, just running was the aim a few weeks back and now, I can broadly trot along slowly and keep going and not start feeling like I cant go on, that comes only as I pick the pace up so its like a bit of a platform to work from.
Have ended up holding my mobile which is annoying so need an arm holder or something and I notice my spare flesh jiggling which is unpleasant so does spur me on to lose weight to help.
Its amazing how the improvements come even after just having a few goes.
As regards jiggling look at compression wear such as Under Armour short sleeve tops, it holds everything together nicely and prevents chafing too.
PistonTim said:
J4CKO said:
Yeah, keep going, I must admit its not my favourite thing either.
Its funny, just running was the aim a few weeks back and now, I can broadly trot along slowly and keep going and not start feeling like I cant go on, that comes only as I pick the pace up so its like a bit of a platform to work from.
Have ended up holding my mobile which is annoying so need an arm holder or something and I notice my spare flesh jiggling which is unpleasant so does spur me on to lose weight to help.
Its amazing how the improvements come even after just having a few goes.
Look at shorts with a phone pocket, the Decathlon running shorts for example are excellent and fit a standard iPhone in the bum bit with zip.Its funny, just running was the aim a few weeks back and now, I can broadly trot along slowly and keep going and not start feeling like I cant go on, that comes only as I pick the pace up so its like a bit of a platform to work from.
Have ended up holding my mobile which is annoying so need an arm holder or something and I notice my spare flesh jiggling which is unpleasant so does spur me on to lose weight to help.
Its amazing how the improvements come even after just having a few goes.
As regards jiggling look at compression wear such as Under Armour short sleeve tops, it holds everything together nicely and prevents chafing too.
Its a big of a lump to have int he gym anyway so might buy one if I can work out what model and capabilities it has, think you have to download tracks to it, there is a cellular version but not sure it works with my carrier and whether it works with Spotify like that. Will do some research.
Did a mile today, 9.12, my missus was at the gym and she generally does cardio on the cross trainer, so she decides to have a go at doing a mile, said initially she felt she wouldnt be able to do a full mile, then got used to it and did 8.52 ! and now she keeps rubbing it in. Not a bad first effort for a 51 year old non runner, she is seven stone lighter than me though.
I’ve really got to go tonight, I’ve not been ran for 5 days and hadn’t ran for 8 days before that. Considering it was doing it at least 3 times a week up until that point, I’m expecting to have gone backwards a bit.
Keep talking myself out of it and I really need to just keep pushing.
Keep talking myself out of it and I really need to just keep pushing.
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