Anyone on TRT?
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I've been on Testogel for a while now, I'm finding that the dose seems to vary throughout the month. At the start of a bottle it seems stronger than towards the end. I haven't found anyone posting about the same thing. Anyone else experienced that?
Thinking about asking to go over to the injections anyway, as the gel is making my skin permanently itchy. Is there anything to beware of with the injections?
Thinking about asking to go over to the injections anyway, as the gel is making my skin permanently itchy. Is there anything to beware of with the injections?
Ive been n Testogel now for around 6 months but mine is supplied in 50ml sachets so Im guessing pretty consistent in terms of product blend (if thats the issue in your case)
Its worked for me and all my symptoms have resolved. I feel normal again, fully functioning as it were and generally like my old self.
How have you found things?
Its worked for me and all my symptoms have resolved. I feel normal again, fully functioning as it were and generally like my old self.
How have you found things?
lord trumpton said:
Ive been n Testogel now for around 6 months but mine is supplied in 50ml sachets so Im guessing pretty consistent in terms of product blend (if thats the issue in your case)
Its worked for me and all my symptoms have resolved. I feel normal again, fully functioning as it were and generally like my old self.
How have you found things?
Thanks LT. I'd say overall I do feel better, but like I said it's pretty variable throughout the month. I'm at the end of a bottle at the moment and would say i feel pretty similar to how I did pre-treatment. I assume the contents are stratifying a little bit, but it could just be that the dose the squirter dispenses changes a little as the bottle empties.Its worked for me and all my symptoms have resolved. I feel normal again, fully functioning as it were and generally like my old self.
How have you found things?
I've got chest hair coming back so it's definitely doing something!
Enclomephene citrate as good as Testogel, better for sperm count.
https://bjui-journals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...
Enclomephene citrate 12.5 mg better results on total t than topical test.
https://www.endocrineweb.com/professional/endoscan...
https://bjui-journals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...
Enclomephene citrate 12.5 mg better results on total t than topical test.
https://www.endocrineweb.com/professional/endoscan...
Hi chaps, thought i'd resurrect this post.
I’m 46 and have been suffering with tiredness, dizziness and fatigue on and off for around 4 years. Some days good, some bad. Recently i've decided to try and sort it out having been on citalopram for 2 years. That did help, but i've never thought that anxiety alone was the underlying cause. Apart from that i have enough vit pills to bloody well stock Holland and Barrett - gone through every letter of the alphabet to no avail.
So to cut a long story short, I went to see a Neurologist for an MRI, who referred me to an Endo once that was clear.
Turns out my T level was 12.4 on the first test and 8.4 on the second test.
FSH (1.5) and LH (1) were very low on both occasions.
He mentioned free testosterone level but that wasn’t back from the lab at the time.
Every symptom i'm reading on here is what I suffer with; brain fog, fatigue (despite sleeping well), low libido -
I've never really considered myself packed full of T… an alpha male so to speak. Could it be that my levels are now dropping to a point (from the age of 42) where daily life is starting to suffer?
To his credit, the Endo said that i should do more exercise to see if that improves the T level before trying TRT. I’m 6ft 3 and 18 stone. Right now i don’t even feel like i’ve got the energy levels to get to the gym, let alone work out. So is that really a long term solution?
I’m seriously thinking about go back to him and asking for the gel. He said the injections would be better but I’m not sure i want to commit to something (jab wise) in case of any adverse side effects. He said that infertility would be an issue (but then i’m done with kids!) and that i’d need to get bloods every year to check FSH levels (think that’s what he said) - prostate cancer risk etc.
Any advice or experience, as always, is most welcome.
I’m 46 and have been suffering with tiredness, dizziness and fatigue on and off for around 4 years. Some days good, some bad. Recently i've decided to try and sort it out having been on citalopram for 2 years. That did help, but i've never thought that anxiety alone was the underlying cause. Apart from that i have enough vit pills to bloody well stock Holland and Barrett - gone through every letter of the alphabet to no avail.
So to cut a long story short, I went to see a Neurologist for an MRI, who referred me to an Endo once that was clear.
Turns out my T level was 12.4 on the first test and 8.4 on the second test.
FSH (1.5) and LH (1) were very low on both occasions.
He mentioned free testosterone level but that wasn’t back from the lab at the time.
Every symptom i'm reading on here is what I suffer with; brain fog, fatigue (despite sleeping well), low libido -
I've never really considered myself packed full of T… an alpha male so to speak. Could it be that my levels are now dropping to a point (from the age of 42) where daily life is starting to suffer?
To his credit, the Endo said that i should do more exercise to see if that improves the T level before trying TRT. I’m 6ft 3 and 18 stone. Right now i don’t even feel like i’ve got the energy levels to get to the gym, let alone work out. So is that really a long term solution?
I’m seriously thinking about go back to him and asking for the gel. He said the injections would be better but I’m not sure i want to commit to something (jab wise) in case of any adverse side effects. He said that infertility would be an issue (but then i’m done with kids!) and that i’d need to get bloods every year to check FSH levels (think that’s what he said) - prostate cancer risk etc.
Any advice or experience, as always, is most welcome.
It took me 10 years of blood tests, seeing endos, different GPs etc to finally get offered treatment. Basically, low T treatment/diagnosis is a lottery. If you feel like you need it and it's being offered to you, I'd take it. You can always stop if you don't like it, although it won't feel great whilst you wait for your natural (low) production to start up again.
Jabs Vs gel - I think jabs are better from what I've read. Any side effects will be the same regardless of how you take it. At least with gel you have a little more control and, in theory, have a more consistent daily T level. Some blokes cant be arsed to apply the gel every day for the rest of their lives though so opt for jabs.
Jabs Vs gel - I think jabs are better from what I've read. Any side effects will be the same regardless of how you take it. At least with gel you have a little more control and, in theory, have a more consistent daily T level. Some blokes cant be arsed to apply the gel every day for the rest of their lives though so opt for jabs.
Do levels fluctuate daily and if so does fatigue etc correlate with that?
Some days i feel dire, other days not too bad. Would T levels effect you that immediately or is the tiredness more down to long term exposure? This whole thing is an education for me.
Other than T levels my Endo says my bloods are tip top.
Over the years i've had everything looked at, from heart to head.
I've had periods of taking antidepressants because I thought it was purely anxiety/depression related, which did help symptoms but never fully alleviated them. If it's not testosterone i'm at odds to know what it is! Everything listed in this thread is pretty much my day to day existence.
Some days i feel dire, other days not too bad. Would T levels effect you that immediately or is the tiredness more down to long term exposure? This whole thing is an education for me.
Other than T levels my Endo says my bloods are tip top.
Over the years i've had everything looked at, from heart to head.
I've had periods of taking antidepressants because I thought it was purely anxiety/depression related, which did help symptoms but never fully alleviated them. If it's not testosterone i'm at odds to know what it is! Everything listed in this thread is pretty much my day to day existence.
No blood panel for hormone levels is of much worth without SHBG, E2 and prolactin in addition to the ones you had done. Personally, I would get some weight off, start eating correctly and test again in a couple of months time.
And if at the end of all that your levels are still low I would go for a private consultation - the NHS is no place for this kind of treatment.
And if at the end of all that your levels are still low I would go for a private consultation - the NHS is no place for this kind of treatment.
272BHP said:
No blood panel for hormone levels is of much worth without SHBG, E2 and prolactin in addition to the ones you had done. Personally, I would get some weight off, start eating correctly and test again in a couple of months time.
And if at the end of all that your levels are still low I would go for a private consultation - the NHS is no place for this kind of treatment.
Exactly what the Endo said mate.And if at the end of all that your levels are still low I would go for a private consultation - the NHS is no place for this kind of treatment.
What is SHBG, E2 and prolactin - they tested me for s
t loads so may well have done.Are they known by anything else?
PS: all private consultations.
cqueen said:
Very low indeed, your brain isn't communicating with your balls to start making T. Personally I would push for this to get looked into further. Your low T could be a symptom of something else that isn't right.
Indeed.I had the pituitary gland looked at by the neurosurgeon, he didn't flag anything untoward having seen the MRI. Just said FSH and LH levels were low, but on that reading the T was 12 so he presumed that was because T was within range (FSH and LH turned off the taps so to speak)
But obviously judging by my second test they aren't increasing at all.
Sim75 said:
Exactly what the Endo said mate.
What is SHBG, E2 and prolactin - they tested me for st loads so may well have done.
Are they known by anything else?
PS: all private consultations.
If SHBG is high it binds up whatever testosterone is being produced. If it is low then your body can't hang on to it long enough. You can't really calculate free testosterone (which is the most important testosterone reading) without SHBG so all these things need to known. What is SHBG, E2 and prolactin - they tested me for s
t loads so may well have done.Are they known by anything else?
PS: all private consultations.
E2 can also be known as (Estradiol//Oestradiol) - basically the female hormone, you need just enough of this and we are all different. Not too much not too little but what can be high or low for some is fine for others.
It is worth you reading up on all this stuff so you can go into any consultation informed, there are a lot of discussions that need to take place before a lifelong commitment to therapy is considered.
I guess thyroid has been checked out as well? this could also impact on your levels.
Sim75 said:
Are the effects of testosterone quite instantaneous?
Like if you have a rush of serotonin or dopamine you immediately feel great.
Would one day of low T make you feel tired, vs the next day feeling ok if levels rise.
Depends how much you take. It can take a few days or more to feel the benefits of gel but I suspect the jabs work faster as they're a higher, longer lasting dose. The gel delivers a steady dose every day and it has to be applied every day as the T is metabolised within a day. The jabs deliver a higher dose which has to last you a few weeks so towards the end of that period, you'll start to feel run down again and ready for the next jab.Like if you have a rush of serotonin or dopamine you immediately feel great.
Would one day of low T make you feel tired, vs the next day feeling ok if levels rise.
xx99xx said:
Depends how much you take. It can take a few days or more to feel the benefits of gel but I suspect the jabs work faster as they're a higher, longer lasting dose. The gel delivers a steady dose every day and it has to be applied every day as the T is metabolised within a day. The jabs deliver a higher dose which has to last you a few weeks so towards the end of that period, you'll start to feel run down again and ready for the next jab.
ah you misunderstood.I meant within the body as a condition, not necessarily the treatment.
As in do T levels fluctauate daily, and if so would you notice it one day if they were down and instantly feel better the next day they were up?
Would exercise give you an instant spike, would lack of sleep give you a dip etc etc
Or are the effects more long lasting... would an increase in T last a few days.
Am i making sense?
Sim75 said:
ah you misunderstood.
I meant within the body as a condition, not necessarily the treatment.
As in do T levels fluctauate daily, and if so would you notice it one day if they were down and instantly feel better the next day they were up?
Would exercise give you an instant spike, would lack of sleep give you a dip etc etc
Or are the effects more long lasting... would an increase in T last a few days.
Am i making sense?
Ah I see.I meant within the body as a condition, not necessarily the treatment.
As in do T levels fluctauate daily, and if so would you notice it one day if they were down and instantly feel better the next day they were up?
Would exercise give you an instant spike, would lack of sleep give you a dip etc etc
Or are the effects more long lasting... would an increase in T last a few days.
Am i making sense?
Natural levels do fluctuate daily and can be impacted by lifestyle, booze, food, sleep, stress, exercise etc. But linking those dips/peaks in testosterone to how you actually feel would be difficult without testing blood daily but I'm sure T levels would contribute. Daily fluctuations are less of an issue than having permanently low T.
This tends to be why most Dr's do 2 blood tests a few weeks apart (1st thing in the morning when T level is highest) to see if low levels are consistent. If 1 is normal range and the other is low, they tend not to offer treatment and put it down to lifestyle.
The good feeling some people get after exercising is more down to endorphins than an instant boost of T.
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