Fitness gurus on the juice...
Discussion
popeyewhite said:
Then they don't use steroids seriously. The mechanism of anabolics etc...even if they are on a cut and just slim right down certain muscles will still grow.
But MOST users - ok, let’s say MANY users are not serious today. 30 Years ago you got gear because you took getting big serious and followed Arnold, Etc. You had to frequent the right type of gym and know the right type of people and work on obtaining advice and guidance regarding usage. You also had to except if you were doing something looked down on by most people you knew. Nowadays you can train anywhere from your garage to the local council gym, you don’t need to know anybody as long as you can use the Internet which also give you all the advice and guidance you need. The people you follow can be some moron from reality TV and all your mates couldn’t care less what you do. The number of non-serious users who treat it like a protein shake is, I would expect, huge. Many of these will have no outward signs of training at all. I guess it just depends on your mindset - we can 100% ignore the health risks because there are sports with equally high risks and yet we look at those climbing Everest, Wing Suit flying, free soloing, whatever in awe...not with disrespect because they put their hobby ahead of their health.
So we are left with picking one option over another (outside of cheating in sports)
People natural believing they have a higher ground over those who pick something else is like a cyclist rating himself over the guy on an E-Bike (as many do!) They aren't "better"...but they are slower
So we are left with picking one option over another (outside of cheating in sports)
People natural believing they have a higher ground over those who pick something else is like a cyclist rating himself over the guy on an E-Bike (as many do!) They aren't "better"...but they are slower
Parsnip said:
Maybe I am coming at this from a different angle - I don't really care how I look - I'm a cyclist and runner, not a bodybuilder. Maybe it is different for people who are doing it for the body image, maybe not - but from my point of view and the sports I take part in there is much less of a grey area - anything on the WADA banned list makes you a cheat.
All of my results and sporting achievements have been done within the rules, I acknowledge that equipment and outside factors impact this (as I said above - I'm faster on my quick bike than my slow one) - but they are allowed within the rules.
I get this 100%All of my results and sporting achievements have been done within the rules, I acknowledge that equipment and outside factors impact this (as I said above - I'm faster on my quick bike than my slow one) - but they are allowed within the rules.
Actually, what this whole thread has done is made me re-think my own position.
This Saturday I have a canicross race - thats me and my dog! Clearly, we aren't talking about an elite level event!!!!
My last 2 I have placed 3rd and 2nd.......if I win one....have I cheated? TRT (even for medical use) is WADA banned. WADA don't have much to say about the fun runners strapped to their beagles!
I get that most people don't care about such a minor event....I'm just questioning how I feel about it (in light of this interesting debate/thread)
I'm almost 99% certain to cover TRT in my youtube stuff as a result of comments here making sense.
MC Bodge said:
That may well be a good thing.
I'm not sure that anybody has said anything too radical, though.
Then again, we are all different and what may seem obvious to some won't to others.
Indeed - nothing radical. But that lends itself to the grey area that exists.I'm not sure that anybody has said anything too radical, though.
Then again, we are all different and what may seem obvious to some won't to others.
We'll see Monday I guess when I post in the running thread that I crushed it.....do I, or do I not......elaborate
popeyewhite said:
He was bemoaning the fact he's brought his dog on a lead and it had stopped for a c*ap twice thus costing him at least another 30 seconds. 
There are two types of dogs at running races where dogs are allowed. Big fast dogs strapped onto very good runners. Thankfully, these are rare but when they show up they will crush anything. The man/dog park run record is way ahead of the world 5K record! Then there are regular dogs attached to regular runners where the dog can be a mild assistance, a mild annoyance or stops every 10 minutes and is a pain in the arse.And then there is me – with a Jack Russell that can provide no physical assistance to me and is not a fast dog anyway so should be way down the field. We take great pleasure in making sure we are never beaten by something smaller than him or someone bigger than me.
As we have got better – we are now closer to the front. And if doing a park run, will typically be the fastest dog/human. Following this thread, if we actually pick up a first place – does that trophy deserve pride of place in my downstairs toilet or do I stick it where ever Ben Johnson keeps his Olympic gold?
ChocolateFrog said:
This is one observation I have and I'm prepared to be flamed shot down but I wonder if the body image and drug use is disproportionately higher in men under 6ft?
Maybe it's more obvious because they look like potatoes but I swear when you take out actual bodybuilders and strong men it's short guys walking round the gym with their arms sticking out looking ridiculous that are juiced up.
I think it is visually more obvious but the taller you are the harder it is to have a bulked up look Which causes its own insecurities. As somebody 6 foot six with a 6 foot six teenage son, I can assure you body image issues apply to everyone – tapping into each persons own quirky insecurities. Maybe it's more obvious because they look like potatoes but I swear when you take out actual bodybuilders and strong men it's short guys walking round the gym with their arms sticking out looking ridiculous that are juiced up.
Well the “beaten by no one bigger” was a target I set last year and achieved 99% of the time long before TRT. It’s not that hard a target because few heavy people make endurance events a goal for themselves. As for the dog, similar....few people with tiny dogs take them out running daily and up to 30k at the weekend.
Accepting we are an oddity with highly compromising objectives (running and lifting and strapped to a dog) it’s not hard to achieve with a lot of work because no one else in our boat is doing it! So we did. Admittedly, the last couple of months we’ve gone from “fast for a big bloke with a little dog” to “fast”.
Accepting we are an oddity with highly compromising objectives (running and lifting and strapped to a dog) it’s not hard to achieve with a lot of work because no one else in our boat is doing it! So we did. Admittedly, the last couple of months we’ve gone from “fast for a big bloke with a little dog” to “fast”.
Edited by Tiggsy on Thursday 30th January 18:21
If he is natural....in a world full of people that aren't - why do would you not just casually post your bloods up? Be real simple to do a "hey, got myself an annual check up and my HDL, LDL, etc, etc all looks good....oh, and my test is not crazy high. He could even get sponsored by medichecks!
Would that not make him 1000 times more marketable than every other youtuber who wouldn't dare? Just seems sucha . simple way to rise up over your competition.
Would that not make him 1000 times more marketable than every other youtuber who wouldn't dare? Just seems sucha . simple way to rise up over your competition.
lord trumpton said:
Said stuff
In 2020 we no longer have a need to fight each other like cave dwelling Neanderthals. Combat as a metric of anything is as relevant today as cave painting. Actually, painting is more productive and sensible than being punched. Your spoilers on a car analogy suggests useless enhancements to what is underlying. You may have a point in that the enhancements are not essential. But Boxing would be strapping a feedbag to the bonnet because you still think a car is a horse.
MC Bodge said:
Tiggsy said:
In case anyone cares - came 4th today in the 10 mile dog/man trail run. So, off podium and no need to declare my roided to the gills status
Got crushed by a girl with a hound - she made my large body and my tiny dog both look equally silly
She should have been disqualified for not being a man. Got crushed by a girl with a hound - she made my large body and my tiny dog both look equally silly
Was she undergoing gender realignment?
liner33 said:
So much rubbish on youtube from these "influencers"
As a former fat chap myself over 24 stone, I found dropping 10 stone resulted in an increase in testosterone (Purley anecdotally of course, increase in body hair and sex drive) and after losing the fat my muscle mass started to go up (Lost about 1 stone of muscle along with the fat) but have since put two stone of muscle on, I'm about 15 st/95 kgs currently still working on xmas weight and my body fat is 16.8% but it is usually around 15-15.5%
I'm well in my 50's but run 3 or 4 times a week at the gym and am now doing weights as well most days, It's certainly a fallacy that you can't build muscle after age 40 without "help"
Your weight loss is great-but your numbers sound whack.As a former fat chap myself over 24 stone, I found dropping 10 stone resulted in an increase in testosterone (Purley anecdotally of course, increase in body hair and sex drive) and after losing the fat my muscle mass started to go up (Lost about 1 stone of muscle along with the fat) but have since put two stone of muscle on, I'm about 15 st/95 kgs currently still working on xmas weight and my body fat is 16.8% but it is usually around 15-15.5%
I'm well in my 50's but run 3 or 4 times a week at the gym and am now doing weights as well most days, It's certainly a fallacy that you can't build muscle after age 40 without "help"
You are still carrying a fair amount of body fat, in your 50’s and put on 28lbs of lean mass??? I’d be surprised.
Sure-but the maths on those numbers doesn’t make much sense (not that you would expect them to with biometric scales)
You currently weigh 210. With a lean weight of 174. If that 174 includes 28lbs of new lean mass you went from 146 to 174.....a 20% increase over the age of 50.
Having gone from 23 stone down to 12/13% BF and monitored with dexa scans throughout, my experience was that fat loss and lean gains (even with exogenous testosterone) were never far from what you would expect.
All that said, you may be a genetic muscle building machine.
You currently weigh 210. With a lean weight of 174. If that 174 includes 28lbs of new lean mass you went from 146 to 174.....a 20% increase over the age of 50.
Having gone from 23 stone down to 12/13% BF and monitored with dexa scans throughout, my experience was that fat loss and lean gains (even with exogenous testosterone) were never far from what you would expect.
All that said, you may be a genetic muscle building machine.
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