Covid 19 Vaccine - will you have it ?
Discussion
Jasandjules said:
Will the manufacturer be liable for any harm caused?
Yes. And yes I'd have the vaccine.
I have always been against the overuse of Antibiotics, but given the number of people who die from seasonal flu, and now this, surely a half effective but safe vaccine is better than nothing.
Pit Pony said:
Jasandjules said:
Will the manufacturer be liable for any harm caused?
Yes. And yes I'd have the vaccine.
I have always been against the overuse of Antibiotics, but given the number of people who die from seasonal flu, and now this, surely a half effective but safe vaccine is better than nothing.
monkfish1 said:
It wont be adequately tested. There isnt time for that. This fact opens it up for vested interests to push it through without the normal checks.Serious money to be made here.
People have short memories of what can happen.
Add in the fact, the actual risk of death from the virus is very very low for the majority, i see no reason to take that chance. I trust NO ONE to be looking out for my interests or welfare.
There are lots of errors in this post. People have short memories of what can happen.
Add in the fact, the actual risk of death from the virus is very very low for the majority, i see no reason to take that chance. I trust NO ONE to be looking out for my interests or welfare.
There are lots of vaccines being evaluated - 70 or so worldwide. Of these, 4 or 5 of are serious candidates.
The global front runner is the Oxford one. It is being very thoroughly tested for both safety and efficacy. No shortcuts have been taken.
The usual timescales are hugely shortened because nearly all other UK medical research studies have been put on hold to focus all resource on this. It is an unprecedented effort
The Oxford vaccine is non profit so the money argument is not valid for this particular vaccine.
If it is successful, and there is no guarantee that it will be effective, then it will not work unless there is widespread take up, even in those who believe they are low risk. Don’t forget that although you might be fine, the economy won’t get back on its feet unless we can get Workers safely back to open up the country again and this relies on herd protection.
amazing driver said:
I'll wait to see what the side effects are, then I might consider it. Pre-house-arrest I was going to the gym and shops as normal. Post house-arrest I've been going to the shops daily. I see the same old shop assistants void of PPE who've not caught it, I never caught it. I think corona's a conspiracy to be honest.
People like you are part of the issue. Why on earth are you going to the shops every day?The rest of us are trying our best, limiting contact with others, my kids have not seen their grandparents for 6 weeks and f
knuggets like you think their essential journeys include visiting the shops daily. You're a selfish nob and the rest of your posts confirms it.Have some social responsibility.
This is a peak event for the anti vaxer brigade, I am quite happy for them and their family's not to have the vaccination.
I am also quite happy for other nations to put travel restrictions on people who do not have the vaccination.
The problem since the 1950,s is the the various vaccination programs have been to successfull and people have not seen the damage various viruses did to a population prior to mass vacation.
Maybe it is time some of these anti vaxers had the opportunity to find out first hand.
I am also quite happy for other nations to put travel restrictions on people who do not have the vaccination.
The problem since the 1950,s is the the various vaccination programs have been to successfull and people have not seen the damage various viruses did to a population prior to mass vacation.
Maybe it is time some of these anti vaxers had the opportunity to find out first hand.
JPJPJP said:
I’d like to see an equivalent to the heaf test for tb. No point vaccinating a naturally immune person
That's why they've developed an antigen test I expect. The heaf test itself was discontinued in 2005, there is a 'Mantoux test' instead:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaf_test
Personally, I've had injections over the years for diphtheria, meningitis, typhoid, cholera, yellow fever, BCG, tetanus (several times)... One more is fine by me, I have faith in UK medical advice.
I'm old enough to have experienced mumps and rubella (German measles) when young. I'd rather have had a vaccine if it had been available I can tell you ....... Never caught chicken pox for some reason despite many friends having it, and that is extremely contagious.
I even tried to volunteer for the experimental covid19 vaccine, but I'm too old, apparently.
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Why are some of you comparing this to flu? Just because some of the symptoms are similar doesn't make it the same.
There's no conspiracy here. The UK response is largely following what's in the Government's Flu Pandemic Emergency Plan which has existed for many years. Certain aspects are dynamic as the situation evolves as the actual impacts are never the same as predictions in a plan.
I'd have to know more about how the vaccine worked (biologically) before I had it so I can make an informed decision. I'd take this info from scientific, peer reviewed, papers and not some message from government/NHS Comms team. I do this for all medical treatment.
For example, a GP would be happy to give you finasteride to help reverse hair loss. What they probably won't tell you is that most people who take it experience the side effects of impotence, low libido, low testosterone etc which can exist for years after stopping treatment and cause even bigger problems than just hair loss. That doesn't make it a conspiracy though.
There's no conspiracy here. The UK response is largely following what's in the Government's Flu Pandemic Emergency Plan which has existed for many years. Certain aspects are dynamic as the situation evolves as the actual impacts are never the same as predictions in a plan.
I'd have to know more about how the vaccine worked (biologically) before I had it so I can make an informed decision. I'd take this info from scientific, peer reviewed, papers and not some message from government/NHS Comms team. I do this for all medical treatment.
For example, a GP would be happy to give you finasteride to help reverse hair loss. What they probably won't tell you is that most people who take it experience the side effects of impotence, low libido, low testosterone etc which can exist for years after stopping treatment and cause even bigger problems than just hair loss. That doesn't make it a conspiracy though.
Biglips said:
monkfish1 said:
It wont be adequately tested. There isnt time for that. This fact opens it up for vested interests to push it through without the normal checks.Serious money to be made here.
People have short memories of what can happen.
Add in the fact, the actual risk of death from the virus is very very low for the majority, i see no reason to take that chance. I trust NO ONE to be looking out for my interests or welfare.
There are lots of errors in this post. People have short memories of what can happen.
Add in the fact, the actual risk of death from the virus is very very low for the majority, i see no reason to take that chance. I trust NO ONE to be looking out for my interests or welfare.
There are lots of vaccines being evaluated - 70 or so worldwide. Of these, 4 or 5 of are serious candidates.
The global front runner is the Oxford one. It is being very thoroughly tested for both safety and efficacy. No shortcuts have been taken.
The usual timescales are hugely shortened because nearly all other UK medical research studies have been put on hold to focus all resource on this. It is an unprecedented effort
The Oxford vaccine is non profit so the money argument is not valid for this particular vaccine.
If it is successful, and there is no guarantee that it will be effective, then it will not work unless there is widespread take up, even in those who believe they are low risk. Don’t forget that although you might be fine, the economy won’t get back on its feet unless we can get Workers safely back to open up the country again and this relies on herd protection.
The fact that already, in amercia, immunity from prosecution has been granted says an awful lot about confidence level. And the fact that shortcuts will need to be taken. Likewise here, medics have also been granted immunity. Wonder why?
As i said before, i trust no one to be looking after my interests. If you are happy to put blind trust into this, then good for you, whilst you yourself say the process will be shortened! And everyone involved is immune from prosecution if they get it wrong!
Not me though.
Douglas Quaid said:
One bloke says this, hundreds of equally qualified people say the opposite. Balance of probabilities? He’s talking bks.monkfish1 said:
Biglips said:
monkfish1 said:
It wont be adequately tested. There isnt time for that. This fact opens it up for vested interests to push it through without the normal checks.Serious money to be made here.
People have short memories of what can happen.
Add in the fact, the actual risk of death from the virus is very very low for the majority, i see no reason to take that chance. I trust NO ONE to be looking out for my interests or welfare.
There are lots of errors in this post. People have short memories of what can happen.
Add in the fact, the actual risk of death from the virus is very very low for the majority, i see no reason to take that chance. I trust NO ONE to be looking out for my interests or welfare.
There are lots of vaccines being evaluated - 70 or so worldwide. Of these, 4 or 5 of are serious candidates.
The global front runner is the Oxford one. It is being very thoroughly tested for both safety and efficacy. No shortcuts have been taken.
The usual timescales are hugely shortened because nearly all other UK medical research studies have been put on hold to focus all resource on this. It is an unprecedented effort
The Oxford vaccine is non profit so the money argument is not valid for this particular vaccine.
If it is successful, and there is no guarantee that it will be effective, then it will not work unless there is widespread take up, even in those who believe they are low risk. Don’t forget that although you might be fine, the economy won’t get back on its feet unless we can get Workers safely back to open up the country again and this relies on herd protection.
The fact that already, in amercia, immunity from prosecution has been granted says an awful lot about confidence level. And the fact that shortcuts will need to be taken. Likewise here, medics have also been granted immunity. Wonder why?
As i said before, i trust no one to be looking after my interests. If you are happy to put blind trust into this, then good for you, whilst you yourself say the process will be shortened! And everyone involved is immune from prosecution if they get it wrong!
Not me though.
xx99xx said:
Why are some of you comparing this to flu? Just because some of the symptoms are similar doesn't make it the same.
There's no conspiracy here. The UK response is largely following what's in the Government's Flu Pandemic Emergency Plan which has existed for many years. Certain aspects are dynamic as the situation evolves as the actual impacts are never the same as predictions in a plan.
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Why are they following a Flu Pandemic Emergency Plan? Just because some of the symptoms are similar doesn't make it the same.There's no conspiracy here. The UK response is largely following what's in the Government's Flu Pandemic Emergency Plan which has existed for many years. Certain aspects are dynamic as the situation evolves as the actual impacts are never the same as predictions in a plan.
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monkfish1 said:
I will add, if i was 85, and ill with other things, i might take a different view. But im not, im 50. The chances of dying from the virus are very small.
You're right, they are. However, the chances of an ill 85 year old picking up the virus will be significantly higher if we don't reach some form of herd immunity. So while you'll be alright, Jack, other people relying on your immunity might not be. monkfish1 said:
monkfish1 said:
Biglips said:
monkfish1 said:
It wont be adequately tested. There isnt time for that. This fact opens it up for vested interests to push it through without the normal checks.Serious money to be made here.
People have short memories of what can happen.
Add in the fact, the actual risk of death from the virus is very very low for the majority, i see no reason to take that chance. I trust NO ONE to be looking out for my interests or welfare.
There are lots of errors in this post. People have short memories of what can happen.
Add in the fact, the actual risk of death from the virus is very very low for the majority, i see no reason to take that chance. I trust NO ONE to be looking out for my interests or welfare.
There are lots of vaccines being evaluated - 70 or so worldwide. Of these, 4 or 5 of are serious candidates.
The global front runner is the Oxford one. It is being very thoroughly tested for both safety and efficacy. No shortcuts have been taken.
The usual timescales are hugely shortened because nearly all other UK medical research studies have been put on hold to focus all resource on this. It is an unprecedented effort
The Oxford vaccine is non profit so the money argument is not valid for this particular vaccine.
If it is successful, and there is no guarantee that it will be effective, then it will not work unless there is widespread take up, even in those who believe they are low risk. Don’t forget that although you might be fine, the economy won’t get back on its feet unless we can get Workers safely back to open up the country again and this relies on herd protection.
The fact that already, in amercia, immunity from prosecution has been granted says an awful lot about confidence level. And the fact that shortcuts will need to be taken. Likewise here, medics have also been granted immunity. Wonder why?
As i said before, i trust no one to be looking after my interests. If you are happy to put blind trust into this, then good for you, whilst you yourself say the process will be shortened! And everyone involved is immune from prosecution if they get it wrong!
Not me though.
Long term effects - always difficult for drug development. 5 years safely data would be good, 10 or 20 years even better. Would you have the vaccine if 5 year safety data are reassuring? Trouble is that the virus has decimated the economy and a lot of people have died by then. The shortcuts in this programme have been cutting red tape and increasing collaboration and funding.
The vector (ie the vaccine delivery system) that is being used has been used for other vaccines without any obvious safety worry so there are lots of safety data already available. Only the target has been changed.
There is no blanket immunity in place if there is negligent practice. What has been put in place it is for protection of doctors and nurses returning to help out who may have retired a few years ago and may not be up to date with latest practice.
Age - you are correct that the absolute risk of death is pretty low at age 50, but this is the point at which the uptick in mortality starts, particularly in men. I have treated several fit patients below the age of 50 who have not survived. It is a terrible illness.
Disclosure: I am treating Covid patients on a daily basis and also part of several Covid studies, both treatments and vaccines. I have no financial stake or benefit but I do want to eradicate this terrible illness.
Edited by Biglips on Sunday 3rd May 13:05
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