Covid 19 Vaccine - Take it or not?

[NextSquareRoot]

As someone who has previously volunteered for experimental vaccines... not a chance!
Covid In my opinion is a political tool.
A frontline GP has been posing some revealing stats.
Carl Heneghan (@carlheneghan) Tweeted: COVID-19 test positive and died in hospitals in England (up to 2nd Sep) - Under 60 with no pre-existing conditions 305 deaths in a popn of 56 Million. https://t.co/LOtqil7oQfhttps://twitter.com/carlheneghan/status/1309905734...

[Steve Campbell]

dandarez said:

Back to Vaccines - they normally take between 5 to 10 yrs to be properly tested and safe.
I'm glad guinea pigs are still out there and willing. Thank you!

This is true if the research was starting from scratch. But I don't believe any of the candidate vaccines are starting from scratch, they are all taking existing proven technology and building on it. The flu vaccine is new every year ..... based on the flu strain that is the most likely strain for that year...... but built on the technology of flu vaccine that is tried and tested.

No doubt things are moving fast, but the main driver of the speed is the fact that £££££ are being thrown at it and a focus from the best brains in medical science.

[otolith]

Steve Campbell said:

No doubt things are moving fast, but the main driver of the speed is the fact that £££££ are being thrown at it and a focus from the best brains in medical science.

And the willingness to risk huge amounts of money by running in parallel processes which would normally happen sequentially,

[North West Tom]

I'd probably take it yeah. No rush but whenever it's readily available. Mainly because it'll probably a help for more free international travel without restrictions.

[Gooose]

I’m friends with a doctor, former gp now turned to a specialist in his chosen field. He told me that there is no chance in hell he will ever take the vaccine. It’s impossible to test its safety profile in such a short time with the amount of people needed. Impossible.

Also he does think there will be future restrictions on travel for people who haven’t had it. Something to look forward to....

[dandarez]

Steve Campbell said:

dandarez said:

Back to Vaccines - they normally take between 5 to 10 yrs to be properly tested and safe.
I'm glad guinea pigs are still out there and willing. Thank you!

This is true if the research was starting from scratch. But I don't believe any of the candidate vaccines are starting from scratch, they are all taking existing proven technology and building on it. The flu vaccine is new every year ..... based on the flu strain that is the most likely strain for that year...... but built on the technology of flu vaccine that is tried and tested.

No doubt things are moving fast, but the main driver of the speed is the fact that £££££ are being thrown at it and a focus from the best brains in medical science.

The Flu vaccine is not 'new' every year. For one, people like me over 65 get a different vaccine to those younger. Incidentally, I ought to add I've never had a flu jab (it's personal and a choice - I hope that long continues) and I'm way past 65.
Approaching the winter of 2018 after a ste flu winter previously the year before (each year there are on average around 8,000 deaths from flu but that last year there were about 15,000, significantly more than we usually see) so we (UK) decided in our wisdom to use a vaccine that was licenced in Italy 20 yrs ago!!! What was that you said about a 'new vaccine every year'? Why hadn't we used it before? As with everything. Money!

It was an adjuvanted vaccine, which boosted the immune system of over-65s age group to give better protection than in the past.
The vaccine was changed after the WHO said the earlier vaccine “was not as effective as they would have liked it to be against H3N3' (dubbed Aussie flu because it first caused so many problems that year in Australia).

In older people, the vaccine was thought to have been only about 30% effective. The adjuvanted vaccine was said to probably adds 20% to the effectiveness figure.

Like I said I won't be first in the queue. Doesn't mean I won't have a jab ('when' it becomes available) but I won't be in the first queue. Risk is everywhere, every hour, every day. Once it's proven and needed, fine.
I've not seen anywhere yet that says whether the vaccine when available (whenever that will be) will be the same for 'all' ages?
The 'flu' vaccine most certainly (as above) is not the same for all.

In the meantime, I'm doing what life is meant for (well, as best I can in these strange days), that's 'LIVING'. Many seem to have forgotten this.

[Oakey]

Had my second jab yesterday. No issues so far.

[Electronicpants]

Oakey said:

Had my second jab yesterday. No issues so far.

Wait till the first full moon before getting too cocky.

[jmsgld]

One thing that concerns me is the way that viruses occasionally interact with immune systems in unexpected ways.

A couple of examples would be Feline Infectious Peritonitis in cats - a naturally occurring coronavirus infection that occasionally mutates causing a second concurrent coronavirus infection and resultant disease that is (almost) invariably fatal.

The second being the Dengue virus in humans, the first infection causing mild flu like symptoms, but again the infection with the second or subsequent related virus can cause dengue haemorrhagic fever, not nearly as bad as FIP ,but decidedly not good (especially when you are miles from medical care and a skilled phlebotomist is failing to place a catheter whilst your BP is dropping like a stone...).

[anonymous-user]

Count me in
I’ll be way down the pecking order, apart from being old @ over 55
I do get a free flu jab though, as a carer, so if they use the free ‘jab list’ i’ll get one sooner .

[Mazinbrum]

I wasn’t allowed to say anything until today, but it's now okay for me to share that I have volunteered for the Covid-19 vaccine trials that a local Hospital are running in partnership with Pfizer. It's important that we all do our part to beat this virus.
The vaccine is the one that has been developed in Russia. I received my first dose this morning 06:20 am, and I wanted to let you all know that it’s completely safe, with иo side effects whatsoeveя, and that I feelshκι я чувю себя немного стрно и я думю, что вытл осные уши. чувству себя немго страо.

[superlightr]

Very good Comrade. Your sacrifice for the Motherland has not gone unnoticed.

[bristolbaron]

NextSquareRoot said:

As someone who has previously volunteered for experimental vaccines... not a chance!
Covid In my opinion is a political tool.
A frontline GP has been posing some revealing stats.
Carl Heneghan (@carlheneghan) Tweeted: COVID-19 test positive and died in hospitals in England (up to 2nd Sep) - Under 60 with no pre-existing conditions 305 deaths in a popn of 56 Million. https://t.co/LOtqil7oQfhttps://twitter.com/carlheneghan/status/1309905734...

This always frustrates me, I feel it should be stated as “Under 60 with no known pre-existing conditions 305 deaths in a popn of 56 Million.“

There’s every chance the 305 deaths are those with a low immune system/heart or lung issues but undiagnosed.

[otolith]

bristolbaron said:

This always frustrates me, I feel it should be stated as “Under 60 with no known pre-existing conditions 305 deaths in a popn of 56 Million.“

There’s every chance the 305 deaths are those with a low immune system/heart or lung issues but undiagnosed.

This is only a relevant distinction if you yourself know that you (or those you care about) have no undiagnosed conditions.

[Jamescrs]

I personally wouldn't be rushing out to be the first in queue for it but that said being in a low risk group (still scraping under 40 with no health issues) I will be so far down the list of priorities for it that I guess by the time I am offered it then it will be well tested so maybe.

[Riley Blue]

I'm in a high risk category: over 70 with heart and lung issues so move aside and let me get to the head of the queue!

[PositronicRay]

I'll take it, and join the orderly queue. I'm looking forward to restrictions easing.

[Oakey]

otolith said:

This is only a relevant distinction if you yourself know that you (or those you care about) have no undiagnosed conditions.

I'd be amazed if vast swathes of the population of any age or fitness didn't have some sort of undiagnosed issue.

Fabrice Muamba was probably fitter than most of us here until he had a heart attack on the pitch.

[otolith]

Oakey said:

otolith said:

This is only a relevant distinction if you yourself know that you (or those you care about) have no undiagnosed conditions.

I'd be amazed if vast swathes of the population of any age or fitness didn't have some sort of undiagnosed issue.

Fabrice Muamba was probably fitter than most of us here until he had a heart attack on the pitch.

Quite so. Most of us have never been comprehensively screened, and even that does not guarantee to catch everything.

[rdjohn]

I think that it would be unreasonable to force people to have the jab, but also believe that it would be reasonable to provide a QR code as proof of vaccine to enter bars, restaurants and sports events etc.