Anyone else getting tired of it all?
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Yes, exactly my point. The narrative is changing to "it's just the flu, it's not bad". Even the isolation is dropped from 10 days to 7 now.
Despite the best efforts of Whitty and his mates, the public are beginning to see through all this.
There will never be a moment when we are told it's over, it will be a gradual reduction of any restrictions and it will slowly slip from the media. It has begun.
Despite the best efforts of Whitty and his mates, the public are beginning to see through all this.
There will never be a moment when we are told it's over, it will be a gradual reduction of any restrictions and it will slowly slip from the media. It has begun.
Another tweet -
NEW: Sweden imposes measures #Omicron
🔹Limit of 50 people at private gatherings
🔹Vaccine passports for events of 500+
🔹Seated-only service at bars and restaurants
🔹Nightclubs may need to close
🔹Mask wearing allowed enforced on public transport
Sweden has now imposed tougher #Omicron restrictions than England.
Tricky moment for all the ‘We should be more like Sweden!’
NEW: Sweden imposes measures #Omicron
🔹Limit of 50 people at private gatherings
🔹Vaccine passports for events of 500+
🔹Seated-only service at bars and restaurants
🔹Nightclubs may need to close
🔹Mask wearing allowed enforced on public transport
Sweden has now imposed tougher #Omicron restrictions than England.
Tricky moment for all the ‘We should be more like Sweden!’
Tyre Smoke said:
Yes, exactly my point. The narrative is changing to "it's just the flu, it's not bad". Even the isolation is dropped from 10 days to 7 now.
Despite the best efforts of Whitty and his mates, the public are beginning to see through all this.
There will never be a moment when we are told it's over, it will be a gradual reduction of any restrictions and it will slowly slip from the media. It has begun.
The general public opinions are meaningless. We don’t change the direction of government decisions, and shouldn’t given how easily public opinions can be swayed, as they are mostly baseless.Despite the best efforts of Whitty and his mates, the public are beginning to see through all this.
There will never be a moment when we are told it's over, it will be a gradual reduction of any restrictions and it will slowly slip from the media. It has begun.
I actually think the sensible decisions are due to having a competent health secretary. Javid is good, in his past roles in investment banking he was notoriously known across the industry as being incredibly smart. Hancock was the problem, he was a buffoon that had no place being in that position in society.
Jiebo said:
The general public opinions are meaningless. We don’t change the direction of government decisions, and shouldn’t given how easily public opinions can be swayed, as they are mostly baseless.
I actually think the sensible decisions are due to having a competent health secretary. Javid is good, in his past roles in investment banking he was notoriously known across the industry as being incredibly smart. Hancock was the problem, he was a buffoon that had no place being in that position in society.
Javid is the buffoon now. Blustering his way through interviews, failing to answer any decent questions and constantly lying or at the very least not questioning the figures that his experts are telling him. If he’s so smart then he would immediately see through the overstated numbers he’s being ask to act on. Unfortunately he’s joined the elite who are only interested in delivering vax passes for the plebs at whatever cost in terms of lives lost due to restrictions. Javid is a puppet now. I actually think the sensible decisions are due to having a competent health secretary. Javid is good, in his past roles in investment banking he was notoriously known across the industry as being incredibly smart. Hancock was the problem, he was a buffoon that had no place being in that position in society.
Jiebo said:
Tyre Smoke said:
Yes, exactly my point. The narrative is changing to "it's just the flu, it's not bad". Even the isolation is dropped from 10 days to 7 now.
Despite the best efforts of Whitty and his mates, the public are beginning to see through all this.
There will never be a moment when we are told it's over, it will be a gradual reduction of any restrictions and it will slowly slip from the media. It has begun.
The general public opinions are meaningless. We don’t change the direction of government decisions, and shouldn’t given how easily public opinions can be swayed, as they are mostly baseless.Despite the best efforts of Whitty and his mates, the public are beginning to see through all this.
There will never be a moment when we are told it's over, it will be a gradual reduction of any restrictions and it will slowly slip from the media. It has begun.
I actually think the sensible decisions are due to having a competent health secretary. Javid is good, in his past roles in investment banking he was notoriously known across the industry as being incredibly smart. Hancock was the problem, he was a buffoon that had no place being in that position in society.
Your death as an individual is fine to government, if it’s part of the greater good.
For collectivists this is fine, for individualists this is terrifying and frightening, and absolutely not what they want to feel, actively, from their appointed representative government, over an ultimately very very mild disease for many, over many years of this pandemic.
I’ll accept government perhaps making a big decision on an issue like nature taking it’s terrible course, and some people are sacrificed in a bleak and difficult situation, to save millions, fine. Or in a war. Etc.
But tampering without consent with my body, with its own risks, to maybe reduce risks for others, who may not be at risk from me any way, and who may already have put themselves at risk for myriad other reasons (general health, ignoring rules etc), then that’s terrifying and stressful...
I’d imagine for many otherwise healthy people this baseline stress is doing more harm to their immune response, than the vaccine is doing benefit for them.
But it’s all to save the older people. Many of whom are now mixing lots at Christmas, drinking loads, possibly drink driving, eating to excess, and generally being more of a risk and burden to society, than an unvaccinated, conscientious, younger healthy person.
You can go for a long walk off a short pier if you think I’m going to get a jab if it means potentially helping selfish people like that.
There would be equity in the concept if we could say that over 55s can’t have drink, smoke, or have a BMI over 27 or whatever is overweight, without having their income taxed at 50pc.
If social safety and equity and the NHS are priorities, let’s get the balance right.
I’ll take the vaccine if the NHS is unburdened by all these grotesque fat people who cost it and society dearly because they can’t stop eating terrible diets.
I’ll take the vaccine if we ban alcohol and smoking so we don’t need to suffer all the things the NHS and society suffers because of them.
While I’m at it, how about gambling too? The net outcome of gambling is rich operators paying tax. The difference between money gambled and tax paid, is probably offset by the misery it places on the most vulnerable in society.
The mental health cost alone is probably huge.
How can anyone listen to government and scientists when they’re doing all these things, or allowing them to such harmful and costly extents on individuals and society... in the name of personal freedoms and rights... then terrify people into taking a vaccine to save a great deal of the worst offenders from what is to the healthiest and sensible in society, a bad cold at worst.
Sickening hypocrisy.
Either we’re free to choose to detriment ourselves and society, or we’re not.
At least apply the rules consistently.
Jesus Whippy! Sit down and have a brandy! 
This Govt was elected on telling the public what it wanted to hear (get Brexit done) and has since leaked potential new 'rules' to the media to gauge reaction. The reason we are not in lockdown in England and having closed doors sports events is because the Govt know we won't accept it. We can see this is now just a flu virus, that 100 Tory MPs will vote down any more legislation and Boris will need the Opposition to support his legislation. This would be suicide for Boris. Tories are like sharks, a whiff of blood and they're ruthless. The party cannot stomach Labour propping up Covid legislation.
If anything, I reckon we will see an easing of restrictions next, not a tightening.
As HIGNFY tweeted, no new legislation for England means we might have to wait another week to ignore Boris' new rules.
This Govt was elected on telling the public what it wanted to hear (get Brexit done) and has since leaked potential new 'rules' to the media to gauge reaction. The reason we are not in lockdown in England and having closed doors sports events is because the Govt know we won't accept it. We can see this is now just a flu virus, that 100 Tory MPs will vote down any more legislation and Boris will need the Opposition to support his legislation. This would be suicide for Boris. Tories are like sharks, a whiff of blood and they're ruthless. The party cannot stomach Labour propping up Covid legislation.
If anything, I reckon we will see an easing of restrictions next, not a tightening.
As HIGNFY tweeted, no new legislation for England means we might have to wait another week to ignore Boris' new rules.
garyhun said:
GT3Manthey said:
So assuming we end up back in lockdown post Xmas , do we think restrictions will be as severe as last time round ?
Not for me Police and other institutions are now also bored of trying to enforce it.
Tyre Smoke said:
Why do you assume we will end up back in lockdown?
If we do, and it's a big if, I think most will ignore it.
There is no evidence to support a lockdown.
I've the news on in the background and today there are 106,000 new cases. But hospitalisation isn't significantly rising. Or deaths.
We are talking about a government where anything is possible and probable . If we do, and it's a big if, I think most will ignore it.
There is no evidence to support a lockdown.
I've the news on in the background and today there are 106,000 new cases. But hospitalisation isn't significantly rising. Or deaths.
The last thing anyone wants is restrictions.
My view is that it’s not necessary but there are new measures in Scotland and Wales so I wouldn’t be surprised .
From a personal standpoint I want to travel to my 2nd property without the bans we have previously.
I know , 1st world problems !
Oh , and even if it’s cold I want to play golf !
One of my tasks is to provide data for business rates..
Grants farce has started again...
Rishi announced it yesterday
Phones already ringing people wanting there cash.
Still waiting for details of the scheme.
Will be a clusterf
k
Last time we had 13 different schemes running... Every day it seemed a nrw scheme was announced
Onwards and upwards
Grants farce has started again...
Rishi announced it yesterday
Phones already ringing people wanting there cash.
Still waiting for details of the scheme.
Will be a clusterf
kLast time we had 13 different schemes running... Every day it seemed a nrw scheme was announced
Onwards and upwards
GT3Manthey said:
Tyre Smoke said:
Why do you assume we will end up back in lockdown?
If we do, and it's a big if, I think most will ignore it.
There is no evidence to support a lockdown.
I've the news on in the background and today there are 106,000 new cases. But hospitalisation isn't significantly rising. Or deaths.
We are talking about a government where anything is possible and probable . If we do, and it's a big if, I think most will ignore it.
There is no evidence to support a lockdown.
I've the news on in the background and today there are 106,000 new cases. But hospitalisation isn't significantly rising. Or deaths.
The last thing anyone wants is restrictions.
My view is that it’s not necessary but there are new measures in Scotland and Wales so I wouldn’t be surprised .
From a personal standpoint I want to travel to my 2nd property without the bans we have previously.
I know , 1st world problems !
Oh , and even if it’s cold I want to play golf !
I think by this time next week, it will be clear what the clinical situation is. If anyone doesn’t know, this is absolutely everywhere in London. If anything the media is downplaying how prevalent it truly is in the capital.
All I see and hear about from my personal connections (100+) is that they have, or their partners have tested positive. This is the polar opposite of the previous waves, were hardly anyone I know actually caught it unless they were unlucky. A few have had a rough weekend with high fevers, cough etc, but I suspect that they have caught Delta, which is spiking in parallel, but majority have had cold symptoms.
If in the next weeks ahead, we see hospitalisations or deaths almost exactly tracking the planned baseline (obviously we always planned for a spike in over winter), then the rest of the country is going to be fine too, as you’re about 2-3 weeks behind London.
I would not bet on restrictions being introduced at this point, to me it seems increasingly unlikely.
All I see and hear about from my personal connections (100+) is that they have, or their partners have tested positive. This is the polar opposite of the previous waves, were hardly anyone I know actually caught it unless they were unlucky. A few have had a rough weekend with high fevers, cough etc, but I suspect that they have caught Delta, which is spiking in parallel, but majority have had cold symptoms.
If in the next weeks ahead, we see hospitalisations or deaths almost exactly tracking the planned baseline (obviously we always planned for a spike in over winter), then the rest of the country is going to be fine too, as you’re about 2-3 weeks behind London.
I would not bet on restrictions being introduced at this point, to me it seems increasingly unlikely.
Tyre Smoke said:
Why do you assume we will end up back in lockdown?
If we do, and it's a big if, I think most will ignore it.
There is no evidence to support a lockdown.
I've the news on in the background and today there are 106,000 new cases. But hospitalisation isn't significantly rising. Or deaths.
Most of the country will be compliant. I think there will be a large number than last time that won’t be, but most will be. The majority of people are law abiding, especially when it could impact their families health.If we do, and it's a big if, I think most will ignore it.
There is no evidence to support a lockdown.
I've the news on in the background and today there are 106,000 new cases. But hospitalisation isn't significantly rising. Or deaths.
As per my last post, I really can’t see it happening unless people actually start getting sick wholesale. As much as everyone will moan, ultimately nobody wants the health care system to fail. Everyone has someone in their lives that at any point could need the NHS critically.
Jiebo said:
I think by this time next week, it will be clear what the clinical situation is. If anyone doesn’t know, this is absolutely everywhere in London. If anything the media is downplaying how prevalent it truly is in the capital.
All I see and hear about from my personal connections (100+) is that they have, or their partners have tested positive. This is the polar opposite of the previous waves, were hardly anyone I know actually caught it unless they were unlucky. A few have had a rough weekend with high fevers, cough etc, but I suspect that they have caught Delta, which is spiking in parallel, but majority have had cold symptoms.
If in the next weeks ahead, we see hospitalisations or deaths almost exactly tracking the planned baseline (obviously we always planned for a spike in over winter), then the rest of the country is going to be fine too, as you’re about 2-3 weeks behind London.
I would not bet on restrictions being introduced at this point, to me it seems increasingly unlikely.
Good grief. Have you not seen any of the data now? We are not even close to SAGE predictions.All I see and hear about from my personal connections (100+) is that they have, or their partners have tested positive. This is the polar opposite of the previous waves, were hardly anyone I know actually caught it unless they were unlucky. A few have had a rough weekend with high fevers, cough etc, but I suspect that they have caught Delta, which is spiking in parallel, but majority have had cold symptoms.
If in the next weeks ahead, we see hospitalisations or deaths almost exactly tracking the planned baseline (obviously we always planned for a spike in over winter), then the rest of the country is going to be fine too, as you’re about 2-3 weeks behind London.
I would not bet on restrictions being introduced at this point, to me it seems increasingly unlikely.
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