Pot belly!!!

[gregs656]

anonymous said:

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Disagree with what? Do you disagree that similar calorific requirements have been observed in a wide variety of cultures, who have a huge disparity in daily exercise?

I don't really get the dogmatism here. I love exercise and would recommend it to anyone but it is not a weight loss tool, it is a healthy lifestyle tool.

It's weird because it is obvious that if I made you completely immobile and fed you say 1000 calories a day you would lose weight. No doubt about it. If I fed you an extra 1000 calories a day above your daily requirement and told you to exercise off the difference you wouldn't be able to do it and would gain weight. That's the truth.

[mcelliott]

Tin Hat said:

I started a challenge with 10 other guys in January, 25 burpees a day for week 1, 50 a day in week 2, 75 a day in week 3 then 100. Hard, but achievable.

I am now on 6 No 60 second planks, 30 burpees and 40 lunges daily.

I’m 51 and I want to keep broadly healthy and as mobile as my body will allow, 20 minutes a day seems like a reasonable investment in my ageing frame.....

I would encourage anyone to try it, I was certainly not a fitness fanatic before I started it

Well done that's great progress, and fun too, and of course without the enjoyment bit progress tends to falter quite quickly

[Anonymous-poster]

gregs656 said:

anonymous said:

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Disagree with what? Do you disagree that similar calorific requirements have been observed in a wide variety of cultures, who have a huge disparity in daily exercise?

I don't really get the dogmatism here. I love exercise and would recommend it to anyone but it is not a weight loss tool, it is a healthy lifestyle tool.

It's weird because it is obvious that if I made you completely immobile and fed you say 1000 calories a day you would lose weight. No doubt about it. If I fed you an extra 1000 calories a day above your daily requirement and told you to exercise off the difference you wouldn't be able to do it and would gain weight. That's the truth.

Rubbish.

[gregs656]

Anonymous-poster said:

Rubbish.

How so?

The studies on calorific requirement are easily availably.

It's interesting, Herman Pontzer did his study in Tanzania because all of the data we had for calorific requirement was from western industrialised nations and the received wisdom was that hunter gatherer/more active populations would burn more calories. He expected 3-4000 a day, but it wasn't so and further studies have shown the same thing.

[Tin Hat]

mcelliott said:

Tin Hat said:

I started a challenge with 10 other guys in January, 25 burpees a day for week 1, 50 a day in week 2, 75 a day in week 3 then 100. Hard, but achievable.

I am now on 6 No 60 second planks, 30 burpees and 40 lunges daily.

I’m 51 and I want to keep broadly healthy and as mobile as my body will allow, 20 minutes a day seems like a reasonable investment in my ageing frame.....

I would encourage anyone to try it, I was certainly not a fitness fanatic before I started it

Well done that's great progress, and fun too, and of course without the enjoyment bit progress tends to falter quite quickly

Thanks, it has been fun, I’m certainly eager to share the experience with anyone who is listening!

My niggling back pains have definitely reduced by some margin.

I do find it funny to think that many of us would treat the health of our car with more priority than our own bodies, I’m not trying to preach, but it seems advisable to keep an eye on pressure levels and ensure sludge is kept at manageable levels.....

[mcelliott]

Tin Hat said:

Thanks, it has been fun, I’m certainly eager to share the experience with anyone who is listening!

My niggling back pains have definitely reduced by some margin.

I do find it funny to think that many of us would treat the health of our car with more priority than our own bodies, I’m not trying to preach, but it seems advisable to keep an eye on pressure levels and ensure sludge is kept at manageable levels.....

Approaching 50 I have certainly become more aware of my own mortality!

[Anonymous-poster]

gregs656 said:

Anonymous-poster said:

Rubbish.

How so?

The studies on calorific requirement are easily availably.

It's interesting, Herman Pontzer did his study in Tanzania because all of the data we had for calorific requirement was from western industrialised nations and the received wisdom was that hunter gatherer/more active populations would burn more calories. He expected 3-4000 a day, but it wasn't so and further studies have shown the same thing.

The part where you say it’s not possible to burn off 1000 calories with exercise is total rubbish!

[hyphen]

Tin Hat said:

I started a challenge with 10 other guys in January, 25 burpees a day for week 1, 50 a day in week 2, 75 a day in week 3 then 100. Hard, but achievable.

I am now on 6 No 60 second planks, 30 burpees and 40 lunges daily.

I’m 51 and I want to keep broadly healthy and as mobile as my body will allow, 20 minutes a day seems like a reasonable investment in my ageing frame.....

I would encourage anyone to try it, I was certainly not a fitness fanatic before I started it

but human beings were not design to do 60 planks, 30 burpees and 40 lunges daily. Cavemen didn't need to do that!

Are you sure you won't wear your joints out

[popeyewhite]

omniflow said:

popeyewhite said:

I've not read the book but it occurs to me the human body adapts to lifestyle, this is how you 'get fit' - the body gets used to a new exercise regime. While doing this it will burn more calories. Once CV and muscular endurance has improved however it will require less energy to perform the exercise. In short your fitness has improved.

I don't see anything in the article that might catch the attention of any coaches at the upcoming Olympics and lead them to reconsider their athletes' dietary habits... . Who knows though, if hunting antelope was introduced as an Olympic sport... .

But I don't think that's what the research found.

My understanding was that any random person - let's call them Person A - burns (as an example) 3,000 calories in a day. They will burn that many calories in total whether they walk 4 miles that day, or 8 miles that day. On the days where they walk 8 miles, their body compensates by "slowing down" other areas such as brain activity.

Possibly, but my post focused on an athlete whose body had adapted to an exercise regime, not a 'random person' (see bold).The difference between an average couch potato and someone who walks 4 miles a day in kcal may be little because the exercise isn't that strenuous, the body adapts, and energy 'redistribution' (as per the article) occurred. However in a trained athlete kcals have been shown to increase dramatically during training. To suggest that the hundreds of thousands of regular serious runners in the UK that run for in excess of 30+ miles a week and have extremely healthy bf levels somehow survive their jobs with reduced brain/other organ capacity is fanciful. Although a quick Google reveals the theory suggests in the case of athletes that rather than cause a deficit of calories to the organs, the redistribution of energy in trained athletes may present in a more simple form...as slower recovery for instance.

[mooseracer]

anonymous said:

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Curious to know why no "bread" but happy to have croissants or hot cross buns?

[MC Bodge]

Training, exercise and weight maintenance are different things, but linked. Having a healthy, functioning (internally and externally) body is the baseline.


You can train for specifics (speed, strength, body-building, sport etc.) on top of that if you wish, but a good base of movmement, fundamental strength/coordination/spacial-awareness is really important and often over-looked/ignored by mostly sedentary/comfortable people. Taking up running or similar should be accompanied by general body conditioning (especially if you have never been conditioned or used to it in the past) and consideration of smooth running form.

Don't over-do it (many of us have been guilty of it, I have) -Destroying your body in the process is counter-productive.
This gives a good summary (that can be tailored to individuals):


7 Steps To Paleo Fitness: Why Exercise Is Not Enough


15 Do-able natural movements for healthy people

The effects of metabolism, "genes", body finding an equilibrium etc. may well have an effect, but often appear over-stated. Don't eat too much -Eat unprocessed food, eat your greens (and other colours), don't snack and you'll give yourself a better chance of maintaining a healthy weight.

Edited by MC Bodge on Wednesday 24th February 12:10

[MC Bodge]

mooseracer said:

Curious to know why no "bread" but happy to have croissants or hot cross buns?

It does seem a little contradictory, as they are bread.

Lots of fruit juice isn't always considered a good thing. It is concentrated simple sugar solution.

[giblet]

I’m rather enjoying the various approaches taken by people in this thread and how defensive folks are of what they believe is the only solution. Great fun

[MC Bodge]

giblet said:

I’m rather enjoying the various approaches taken by people in this thread and how defensive folks are of what they believe is the only solution. Great fun

I hope you are not referring to my posts.

I'm very much of the generalist approach to life, diet, exercise and well-being.

[Bill]

MC Bodge said:

mooseracer said:

Curious to know why no "bread" but happy to have croissants or hot cross buns?

It does seem a little contradictory, as they are bread.

Lots of fruit juice isn't always considered a good thing. It is concentrated simple sugar solution.

+ No frying, but buttery croissants are fine.

[Anonymous-poster]

Bill said:

MC Bodge said:

mooseracer said:

Curious to know why no "bread" but happy to have croissants or hot cross buns?

It does seem a little contradictory, as they are bread.

Lots of fruit juice isn't always considered a good thing. It is concentrated simple sugar solution.

+ No frying, but buttery croissants are fine.

But no bread though!

[otolith]

Arbitrary dietary restrictions are one way of reducing calorie intake. You could probably come up with an alphabet based diet which worked. Every other day you only eat foods beginning with the letter X.

[MC Bodge]

Tin Hat said:

Thanks, it has been fun, I’m certainly eager to share the experience with anyone who is listening!

My niggling back pains have definitely reduced by some margin.

I do find it funny to think that many of us would treat the health of our car with more priority than our own bodies, I’m not trying to preach, but it seems advisable to keep an eye on pressure levels and ensure sludge is kept at manageable levels.....

Indeed. I'd be wary of doing too many burpees for lower back preservation reasons. If/when form slips it can put a bit of stress on it.

[mcelliott]

Eat less live longer, throw exercise and increase the quality and length of your health span too

[otolith]

Eating wheat bloats me and gives me the squits. I suspect some sort of intolerance.

If I'm eating a very low carbohydrate diet and I eat a load of carbs of any sort, I will immediately gain a load of water which takes a couple of days to fall off again. Just replenishment of depleted glycogen and associated water, I suspect.