Pot belly!!!

[sat1983]

omniflow said:

No bread, no potatoes, no pasta, no rice. No root vegetables. No milk.

I have a cup of coffee with double cream in the morning. Not hungry, so no breakfast.

Then it's a 5 mile walk.

Lunch @1pm is something quite light - e.g. Tomato, Mozzarella & Avocado salad (lots of olive oil)
Dinner @6pm is meat + veg + creamy / cheesy sauce - e.g. steak + spinach with blue cheese & creme fraiche stirred through and a couple of grilled tomatoes.

Once your body has adjusted to the lack of carbs (and higher fat intake) your appetite reduces considerably. I suspect that mine is helped by the fact that I have so much excess body fat to also burn.

I've been on the Keto diet for 6 weeks, lost over 12Kg and I haven't been hungry once.

A 5 mile walk followed by a salad? I can tell you I just wouldn't be able to do that much as I'd love to! I'm constantly hungry and basically do my best to wait until the next meal!

[Lim]

Why double cream instead of milk? Is it better or more of a treat. Isn't cream a kind of milk?

[Luke.]

I've no idea why, but walked 5 miles a day lost no weight. Then stopped drinking and also lost no weight. I was drinking most of a bottle of wine most evenings. That was about 3 months ago. Still got the tummy. Though I admit to eating more sweats, but not a crazy amount. Quite frustrating all told.

Edited by Luke. on Monday 15th February 09:35

[Louis Balfour]

otolith said:

Louis Balfour said:

Mykap said:

Good comments by Doctor Berg on calories in calories out here.

https://youtu.be/a-4GsqS99zc

Keto is the way to go imho.

Interesting video, thanks.

Hmm. Googling Berg is interesting.

I did very briefly. He seems to have some detractors. But then, it seems to me that is the way of things in the US. When someone starts making money from something, and presumably Berg is, a slew of bashers rock up.

I am not endorsing him, by the way, I just think he makes some interesting points in that specific video.

[otolith]

He seems to be a chiropractor operating well beyond the bounds of his training.

https://quackwatch.org/cases/board/chiro/berg/

[Louis Balfour]

otolith said:

He seems to be a chiropractor operating well beyond the bounds of his training.

https://quackwatch.org/cases/board/chiro/berg/

Hah. To be fair though that is 13 years old. Perhaps he has re-trained!

[anonymous-user]

Louis Balfour said:

otolith said:

Louis Balfour said:

Mykap said:

Good comments by Doctor Berg on calories in calories out here.

https://youtu.be/a-4GsqS99zc

Keto is the way to go imho.

Interesting video, thanks.

Hmm. Googling Berg is interesting.

I did very briefly. He seems to have some detractors. But then, it seems to me that is the way of things in the US. When someone starts making money from something, and presumably Berg is, a slew of bashers rock up.

I am not endorsing him, by the way, I just think he makes some interesting points in that specific video.

Health and fitness is full of these people like Wim Hoff etc who are often charismatic and have a cool origin story but ultimately are selling fitness or lifestyle based on unproven science.

Often what works is that the people buying into it believe in it like a placebo.

The real benefit is often doing something and thinking it works and that itself yields improvements in your health or well being. Obviously this only works if the regime being proposed doesn’t actually cause harm or is obviously negative to health or weight loss.

I do a lot of open water swimming and going into winter this year it’s amazing the amount of people getting into it following “the wim hoff method” this is all about exposing yourself to cold water and doing breathing exercises to improve your mental well being. This is all nothing new, the breathing exercises are based on meditation and the cold water benefits are long known but he’s making all sorts of wild claims about it making him immune to viruses etc

All these things are great if they help make positive changes in people’s lives but like any religion etc we must be careful to be aware of the limitations and not just lurch from one unsuccessful diet or fitness and wellbeing idea to the next without getting any actual lasting positive lifestyle or health changes and benefits.

Also constantly trying and then dropping plans and regimes might even be more damaging to our wellbeing as then were just always failing and moving on to the next thing.

[Louis Balfour]

El stovey said:

Louis Balfour said:

otolith said:

Louis Balfour said:

Mykap said:

Good comments by Doctor Berg on calories in calories out here.

https://youtu.be/a-4GsqS99zc

Keto is the way to go imho.

Interesting video, thanks.

Hmm. Googling Berg is interesting.

I did very briefly. He seems to have some detractors. But then, it seems to me that is the way of things in the US. When someone starts making money from something, and presumably Berg is, a slew of bashers rock up.

I am not endorsing him, by the way, I just think he makes some interesting points in that specific video.

Health and fitness is full of these people like Wim Hoff etc who are often charismatic and have a cool origin story but ultimately are selling fitness or lifestyle based on unproven science.

Often what works is that the people buying into it believe in it like a placebo.

The real benefit is often doing something and thinking it works and that itself yields improvements in your health or well being. Obviously this only works if the regime being proposed doesn’t actually cause harm or is obviously negative to health or weight loss.

I do a lot of open water swimming and going into winter this year it’s amazing the amount of people getting into it following “the wim hoff method” this is all about exposing yourself to cold water and doing breathing exercises to improve your mental well being. This is all nothing new, the breathing exercises are based on meditation and the cold water benefits are long known but he’s making all sorts of wild claims about it making him immune to viruses etc

All these things are great if they help make positive changes in people’s lives but like any religion etc we must be careful to be aware of the limitations and not just lurch from one unsuccessful diet or fitness and wellbeing idea to the next without getting any actual lasting positive lifestyle or health changes and benefits.

Also constantly trying and then dropping plans and regimes might even be more damaging to our wellbeing as then were just always failing and moving on to the next thing.

There is a massive amount of quackery in the nutrition and fitness business, isn't there. The Berg video above I viewed only on the basis that it was food for thought.

I have dabbled in Keto for the thick end of forty years and it is compelling. The initial water loss gives a significant psychological boost. The scales are down, clothes looser, face slimmer. I CAN DO THIS!

But over time I personally find keto isn't good for me. I have tried a specific carbohydrate diet too and it seems to have the same drawbacks, but they emerge over a longer period.

[Greshamst]

Luke. said:

I've no idea why, but walked 5 miles a day lost no weight. Then stopped drinking and also lost no weight. I was drinking most of a bottle of wine most evenings. That was about 3 months ago. Still got the tummy. Though I admit to eating more sweets , but not a crazy amount. Quite frustrating all told.

Edited by Luke. on Monday 15th February 09:35

Sweets are very high in calories, you were probably consuming more calories from sweets than you realised.

If you were increasing your exercise (lets say 500cal of walking), and stopping drinking a bottle of wine a day (600+ calories) then you must have been increasing calories somewhere else.

Simple answer to anyone that says they've cut out X and still aren't losing weight, track everything that goes in your mouth on myfitnesspal. Track your drinks, track the oil that you cook your food in etc, and you will find your issue.
Or stick at it longer... you need to be doing this over a few weeks obviously.

[anonymous-user]

Louis Balfour said:

There is a massive amount of quackery in the nutrition and fitness business, isn't there. The Berg video above I viewed only on the basis that it was food for thought.

I have dabbled in Keto for the thick end of forty years and it is compelling. The initial water loss gives a significant psychological boost. The scales are down, clothes looser, face slimmer. I CAN DO THIS!

But over time I personally find keto isn't good for me. I have tried a specific carbohydrate diet too and it seems to have the same drawbacks, but they emerge over a longer period.

I know a few furloughed employees who’ve set themselves up as lifestyle and fitness coaches and gurus. There’s very few barriers to entry. Even things like being a therapist don’t have recognised standards as far as I can see,

Still though at least my Facebook is now full of hot females in their smalls showing their new bodies rather than people showing their lunch or what they got for Christmas. They can keep the inspirational memes though.

[didelydoo]

fking hell, what a car crash of st advice.

-Sort your posture (Slumped shoulders and lordosis pushing the belly out are because you’re sedentary and don’t use your muscles properly, particularly your glutes)
-exercise, do anything, something you enjoy, I’d advise lifting along with what ever you choose. If you’re looking to sort your posture quickly, planks and kettlebell swings will do that (if you do them properly)
-eat a little less. Doesn’t need to be Keto or low carb (the insulin theory has been blown out of the water in many many studies now) Energy balance is key. Just eat mostly whole foods, and don’t eat too much, keep your protein high.

It’s really fking simple. It’s just not easy to be consistent long term. It’s a life style change you need, not a quick fix.

[anonymous-user]

didelydoo said:

fking hell, what a car crash of st advice.

[ATM]

Lim said:

Why double cream instead of milk? Is it better or more of a treat. Isn't cream a kind of milk?

Cream is mostly fat. Milk contains Sugar.

If you are following a strict Keto diet then Fat is good and Sugar is a super super strict No No No.

[stargazer30]

Welshbeef said:

Suggestions of pull ups and press-ups OP and many others simply cannot do any so utterly demoralising

Even most unfit overweight folks can do a knee press up and later progress to a regular one. For pull ups you can start with negative chin ups, so jump up and try to resist going back down.

[Louis Balfour]

El stovey said:

I know a few furloughed employees who’ve set themselves up as lifestyle and fitness coaches and gurus. There’s very few barriers to entry. Even things like being a therapist don’t have recognised standards as far as I can see,

Still though at least my Facebook is now full of hot females in their smalls showing their new bodies rather than people showing their lunch or what they got for Christmas. They can keep the inspirational memes though.

"Nutritionist" is another one. I know a lot of them. Completely unregulated and varying in quality from absolute shysters to basically OK, but rapacious.

Outside of qualified PTs I have had some of the best nutritional advice from people involved with sports therapy, e.g. physios, osteopaths and those sorts of people.

[Anthony Micallef]

KTMsm said:

Bill said:

Being fat is down to calories in > calories out, poor tone is down to lack of exercise. I'm afraid it really is that simple.

Luckily most don't believe you - you'd destroy the huge diet industry

My two pence worth...

I couldnt agree more with this. The diet industry makes its money by always keeping the consumer at arms length from the simple truth that to lose fat its just a case of calories in vs calories out. The fact is people want a "magic" fix whether its a shake, a tablet a diet plan with a name, even Keto. All these are just ways of eliciting a calorie deficit. All these diets are doing is preying on vulnerable people who have a bad relationship with food.

If you have a pot belly then you are carrying too much fat, simple as that. I have been tracking my calories since September last year and have lost 1.5 stone. Its noticeable that my stomach has flattened and my moobs have shrunk.

There are a few people in the fitness industry who are trying to make changes like Daniel Wheeler, James Smith, Ben Coomber. Trying to get people away from fad diets and dealing with their emotional eating habits.

This is a good website for information on nutrition:

https://www.nutrition.org.uk/nutritionscience/obes...

[mcelliott]

didelydoo said:

fking hell, what a car crash of st advice.

-Sort your posture (Slumped shoulders and lordosis pushing the belly out are because you’re sedentary and don’t use your muscles properly, particularly your glutes)
-exercise, do anything, something you enjoy, I’d advise lifting along with what ever you choose. If you’re looking to sort your posture quickly, planks and kettlebell swings will do that (if you do them properly)
-eat a little less. Doesn’t need to be Keto or low carb (the insulin theory has been blown out of the water in many many studies now) Energy balance is key. Just eat mostly whole foods, and don’t eat too much, keep your protein high.

It’s really fking simple. It’s just not easy to be consistent long term. It’s a life style change you need, not a quick fix.

But the op is not fat, it's merely his organs trying to escape! from what I can garner ten packets of crisps a day washed down with 3 pints of coconut oil should do it.

[Luke.]

mcelliott said:

But the op is not fat, it's merely his organs trying to escape! from what I can garner ten packets of crisps a day washed down with 3 pints of coconut oil should do it.

And a big poo...

[anonymous-user]

Louis Balfour said:

El stovey said:

I know a few furloughed employees who’ve set themselves up as lifestyle and fitness coaches and gurus. There’s very few barriers to entry. Even things like being a therapist don’t have recognised standards as far as I can see,

Still though at least my Facebook is now full of hot females in their smalls showing their new bodies rather than people showing their lunch or what they got for Christmas. They can keep the inspirational memes though.

"Nutritionist" is another one. I know a lot of them. Completely unregulated and varying in quality from absolute shysters to basically OK, but rapacious.

Outside of qualified PTs I have had some of the best nutritional advice from people involved with sports therapy, e.g. physios, osteopaths and those sorts of people.

It’s amazing the global reach the internet can suddenly give people now especially as we’re getting used to paying for advice and getting zoom calls as an alternative.

Maybe the fact that these markets are massively over saturated though (with such low regulation and barriers to entry) makes it near impossible to do?

I was thinking there’s a gap in the market for dad bod type YouTubers. All the fitness gurus have amazing bodies and spout enthusiasm during the workout, do the viewers think “yeah I’m going to look like that soon” or do they get discouraged by the lack of sudden transformation after a week?

Maybe older people trying to get fit could be inspired by older bloke youtubers in average shape saying “f’king hell this is tough” as they’re struggling through a set of press-ups?

[Louis Balfour]

El stovey said:

Maybe older people trying to get fit could be inspired by older bloke youtubers in average shape saying “f’king hell this is tough” as they’re struggling through a set of press-ups?

It has occurred to me that there might be a market there, but I would not presume to service it. You could be the man however.