Vaccine side effects
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Derek Smith said:
I live next door to an undertaker.
I hadn't seen him for a while; his car came and went, but that was early and late.
Yesterday, while putting out the recylicng bin, he was there, casually dressed, getting his out, so to speak. He said this was the first day in 29 that he had not had a funeral, and most of the other days there were multiple ones.
'Never known anything like it before,' he said. 'Everyone [in his business] is having the same demand.'
It looks, on that, allbeit flimsy, evidence that the vaccination programme has had a significant effect at the coal face. He went off early this morning, gone by 8am, but he was back for lunch, and his car's still there.
An important side effect of the vaccination programme seems to be to give some downtime for undertakers.
My wife manages a cluster of funeral homes, they are just now finishing the backlog of funerals from January / February.I hadn't seen him for a while; his car came and went, but that was early and late.
Yesterday, while putting out the recylicng bin, he was there, casually dressed, getting his out, so to speak. He said this was the first day in 29 that he had not had a funeral, and most of the other days there were multiple ones.
'Never known anything like it before,' he said. 'Everyone [in his business] is having the same demand.'
It looks, on that, allbeit flimsy, evidence that the vaccination programme has had a significant effect at the coal face. He went off early this morning, gone by 8am, but he was back for lunch, and his car's still there.
An important side effect of the vaccination programme seems to be to give some downtime for undertakers.
People taken into care slowed down over two months ago. Was the same last year, huge rush then nothing but the funerals continue for a significant period afterwards as the system was overwhelmed.
No doubt the vaccine programme is helping but things were slowing long before it got into gear.
Had my 1st AZ jab on a Friday evening and woke up on Saturday morning with aching joints, bit of a temperature and feeling really tired and listless. No cough, sneezing or sore throat etc. Went for a lay down on Sat afternoon as was feeling cold and shivery. Slept for around 2 hours and then got up again and had something to eat. Slept fine on Sat night and then on Sunday just felt a bit tired and my temperature seemed a bit up and down. Was back to normal on Monday.
MYOB said:
popeyewhite said:
Boringvolvodriver said:
Never done any risk assessment then? Something can be safe until it becomes unsafe after a period of time
Wasn't safe then was it?Maybe a better example and more relevant to these vaccines is thinking of the Comet. That was safe but kept crashing. Everything they knew about it short term was that it was safe.
Had Pfizer last week Thursday (I can actually spell it now with the amount of times I've looked for side effects on google lol).
Last night felt groggy and cold like symptoms with sore throat and headache, also a bit chesty which are usually symptoms I get when I have a cold coming on.
Hoping it is symptoms and not a bleeding cold !
Last night felt groggy and cold like symptoms with sore throat and headache, also a bit chesty which are usually symptoms I get when I have a cold coming on.
Hoping it is symptoms and not a bleeding cold !
MYOB said:
popeyewhite said:
Boringvolvodriver said:
Never done any risk assessment then? Something can be safe until it becomes unsafe after a period of time
Wasn't safe then was it?Funnily enough I used to coach a quite senior H+S bod who worked out of Buxton. Strange fellow who saw everything through a slightly skewed lens. Takes all types I guess
Had first moderna jab on weds. Sore arm for 48 hours. Felt like I was getting a cold after 36 hours so had a bath to warm up. That was about it to be honest. Didn’t need paracetamol or anything.
I thought the organisation of the vaccination centre was brilliant. Walked straight in. No queue and had the jab straight away.
I thought the organisation of the vaccination centre was brilliant. Walked straight in. No queue and had the jab straight away.
ElectricSoup said:
If your reaction to this situation is laughter and suspicion, then you don't understand what's happening, or the definiton of "safe" in clinical terms.
It is safe. It is already proven safe. If rare blood clots are found to be related to the vaccine, and added to guidance around potential side effects, then the vaccine is still safe, it is only that a rare side effect has been discovered. It is not uncommon for drugs and treatments to have guidance such as this added, it does not render them "unsafe". Safety has been proven.
It's been unsafe for the people who have died from side effects...It is safe. It is already proven safe. If rare blood clots are found to be related to the vaccine, and added to guidance around potential side effects, then the vaccine is still safe, it is only that a rare side effect has been discovered. It is not uncommon for drugs and treatments to have guidance such as this added, it does not render them "unsafe". Safety has been proven.
Edited by ElectricSoup on Tuesday 13th April 13:44
Edited by ElectricSoup on Tuesday 13th April 13:45
Had 1st AZ the other day. Another thumbs up from me on the slick operation at the vaccination centre, very good indeed.
The flu like symptoms kicked in around 12 hours after the jab and didn't sleep much. Felt a bit crap all next day but some booze and a diazapam sorted me out and right as rain the next day after 10 hours sleep.
The flu like symptoms kicked in around 12 hours after the jab and didn't sleep much. Felt a bit crap all next day but some booze and a diazapam sorted me out and right as rain the next day after 10 hours sleep.
1st AZ dose on Friday afternoon. Woke up on Saturday feeling A1 & assumed I’d dodged the side effects. Slippery slope from lunch time onwards. I felt unwell, aching, lethargic & couldn’t stay warm. I had quite a restless night & woke up sweating a few times..Sunday I was back to normal, cycled about 50miles & felt perfectly ok on the bike.
D1on said:
ElectricSoup said:
If your reaction to this situation is laughter and suspicion, then you don't understand what's happening, or the definiton of "safe" in clinical terms.
It is safe. It is already proven safe. If rare blood clots are found to be related to the vaccine, and added to guidance around potential side effects, then the vaccine is still safe, it is only that a rare side effect has been discovered. It is not uncommon for drugs and treatments to have guidance such as this added, it does not render them "unsafe". Safety has been proven.
It's been unsafe for the people who have died from side effects...It is safe. It is already proven safe. If rare blood clots are found to be related to the vaccine, and added to guidance around potential side effects, then the vaccine is still safe, it is only that a rare side effect has been discovered. It is not uncommon for drugs and treatments to have guidance such as this added, it does not render them "unsafe". Safety has been proven.
Safe, in this context, is a clinically defined term. If safety is proven in clinical trials, the vaccine is safe to take. It was, and it is. It is as safe as every other approved medication you've ever taken or ever will take, in some cases even more so.
Besides from that, and I say this for the umpteenth time, and I don't apologies for shouting, THE INCIDENTS YOU SPEAK OF ARE AS YET NOT PROVEN TO BE LINKED TO THE VACCINE AND ARE WELL WITHIN THE NORMAL NUMBERS OF SUCH THINGS YOU WOULD EXPECT TO HAPPEN ANYWAY.
I had my first AZ jab on Thursday evening. Slept fine, but woke up tired and feeling a bit scatterbrained. Very mild headache popped up at various points during the day. Pretty much back to normal on Saturday, other than a sore arm appearing a couple of times.
On the upside, I felt remarkably cheerful from Friday morning onwards. I don't think that's directly linked to the vaccine though.
On the upside, I felt remarkably cheerful from Friday morning onwards. I don't think that's directly linked to the vaccine though.
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